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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Tuesday, December 21, 20041941 Ballot Results: The Babe and the Rajah Belt Their Way Into the Hall of Merit!In his first year of eligibility, Babe Ruth (who many think is the greatest player of all-time) became the fourth unanimous selection in HoM history (Cy Young, Honus Wagner and Walter Johnson being the other three). In also his first year of eligibility, second base legend Rogers Hornsby earned the most points (1,196) and highest percentage of votes (95.83%) of any second-place finisher up to this point to win the second slot for induction this “year.” The combined point total of both inductees (2.491) is a new HoM record for a two-inductee “year,” too. Newbie Dazzy Vance seems certain of induction next “year” with his strong third-place showing. Rounding out the top-ten returnees are: Eppa Rixey, Joe Sewell, Clark Griffith, Tommy Leach, George Sisler, Hughie Jennings and Jake Beckley. RK LY Player PTS Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 n/e Babe Ruth 1272 53 53 2 n/e Rogers Hornsby 1219 53 53 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 n/e Dazzy Vance 566 38 8 8 5 2 3 4 2 2 3 1 4 4 Eppa Rixey 419 33 2 3 3 3 7 4 1 1 1 5 1 2 5 3 Joe Sewell 390 32 4 3 2 2 4 1 2 3 3 2 3 3 6 6 Clark Griffith 371 31 4 3 1 1 2 3 2 3 2 2 3 1 4 7 5 Hughie Jennings 362 26 5 5 1 4 2 1 1 1 2 2 2 8 9 Tommy Leach 358 30 3 2 2 2 4 5 3 1 3 2 1 2 9 7 George Sisler 355 28 4 3 2 2 1 2 5 1 2 2 2 2 10 8 Jake Beckley 343 26 4 3 1 1 2 3 1 5 3 1 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 10 George Van Haltren 319 23 5 1 3 2 3 3 1 2 1 2 12 11 Rube Waddell 300 26 1 3 2 1 2 2 4 4 4 1 2 13 14 John Beckwith 281 22 4 2 2 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 3 14 12 Hugh Duffy 270 21 3 3 3 1 3 1 1 1 1 3 1 15 18 Cannonball Dick Redding 264 24 2 1 2 3 1 3 4 3 1 3 1 16 16 Cupid Childs 246 21 1 5 2 1 2 4 1 1 2 2 17 13 Mickey Welch 240 16 6 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 18 15 Pete Browning 239 19 2 2 3 1 1 2 2 1 4 1 19 17 Edd Roush 229 21 1 2 3 2 6 1 2 3 1 20 19 Burleigh Grimes 184 15 2 4 1 2 1 2 1 2 21 22 Roger Bresnahan 169 16 1 2 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 22 21 Larry Doyle 161 13 1 2 2 1 1 3 1 1 1 23 26 Jimmy Ryan 156 14 1 2 1 2 3 1 2 2 24 25 Charley Jones 156 12 1 1 3 1 1 2 1 1 1 25 20 Wally Schang 155 14 1 1 1 1 4 1 1 2 2 26 23 José Méndez 145 13 1 3 1 1 1 2 3 1 27 24 Sam Rice 125 11 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 3 28 28 Bill Monroe 121 12 2 1 1 2 2 1 2 1 29 n/e Pie Traynor 113 10 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 30 30 George J. Burns 111 11 1 3 1 1 2 2 1 31 32 Dobie Moore 91 10 1 1 1 5 1 1 32T 27 Harry Hooper 88 8 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 32T 29 Bobby Veach 88 8 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 34 31 Vic Willis 61 6 1 1 1 1 2 35 34 John McGraw 61 5 1 1 2 1 36 33 Fielder Jones 59 6 1 1 1 3 37 36 Ben Taylor 56 5 1 1 1 1 1 38 41 Wilbur Cooper 52 5 1 1 1 1 1 39 39T Frank Chance 50 6 1 1 2 2 40 35 Carl Mays 48 5 2 1 1 1 41 38 Gavy Cravath 47 4 2 1 1 42 39T Urban Shocker 45 6 1 3 2 43 37 Hack Wilson 43 4 1 1 1 1 44 43 Spotswood Poles 35 3 1 1 1 45 44 Rabbit Maranville 33 4 2 1 1 46 47 Ed Williamson 31 3 1 2 47 45 Ed Konetchy 30 3 1 1 1 48 42 Ed Cicotte 23 2 1 1 49 46 Addie Joss 22 3 1 2 50 50 Dave Bancroft 16 2 2 51 51 Lave Cross 16 1 1 52 58 Tom York 14 1 1 53 52 Dolf Luque 13 1 1 54T 55 Donie Bush 12 1 1 54T 56T Fred Dunlap 12 1 1 54T 59 Sam Leever 12 1 1 54T 48 Del Pratt 12 1 1 58T 62 Duke Farrell 10 1 1 58T 60 Jack Fournier 10 1 1 60 49 Jim McCormick 9 1 1 61 53 Ray Schalk 8 1 1 62 61 Ross Youngs 7 1 1 63 54 Jack Quinn 6 1 1 Dropped Out: Tommy Bond(56T). John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
Posted: December 21, 2004 at 12:20 AM | 18 comment(s)
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 21, 2004 at 01:50 AM (#1032597)You're correct, Cblau. He is by no means certain of induction.
1. Lip Pike 13,399
2. Sam Thompson 12,349
3. Charlie Bennett 11,503
4. G VAN HALTREN 10,980.5
5. HUGH DUFFY 10,962
6. Bob Caruthers 10,704
7. HUGHIE JENNINGS 10,700
8. JAKE BECKLEY 10,210
9. PETE BROWNING 9966.5
10. Harry Stovey 9576
ACTIVE PTS LEADERS
1. G VAN HALTREN 10,980.5
2. HUGH DUFFY 10,962
3. HUGHIE JENNINGS 10,700
4. JAKE BECKLEY 10,210
5. PETE BROWNING 9966.5
6. JIMMY RYAN 9482
7. CLARK GRIFFITH 8564
8. RUBE WADDELL 8403
9. CUPID CHILDS 7687
10. MICKEY WELCH 7527
(Bresnahan 5374, Leach 4328, C Jones 4087, Williamson 3994, Monroe 3797, McCormick 3095)
Bad luck on his part. I don't see him able to make it now, but you never know.
Looks like our "Top 9" will some combination of the pitchers: Peak Vance, Prime Griffith and Career Rixey; the defense infielders: Peak Jennings, Prime Sewell, and Career Leach; and the first basemen: Peak Sisler, Prime Terry, and Career Beckley.
Are you picking the same three from each troika? Should you be?
The best possible score was +17. The following people's scores round to +12: favre, Buddha, Brad G, jschmeagol, and Chris Cobb. (favre at 12.3 was the top). I was at +11 along with the newcomer Ardo. The biggest swing from last year to this year was Buddha, from -11 to +12.
The lowest scores were Guapo (-6), robc (-4), EricC (-2), John Murphy (-2), jhwinfrey (-2) and the other newcomer, Mike Webber (-1).
51 voters returned from last year, everyone who voted in 1940. Dan Rosenheck and Brian H. last voted in 1939. The most disagreed about candidate was Jennings, followed by Van Haltren, then Vance and Welch. Equalizing for ballot position, you could point to Welch as the most divisive candidate. Of course, there was zero disagreement about Ruth and Hornsby.
Obviously, Vance will pad his lead even more as he moves into about 16 top 2s. But Rixey has less potential elect me votes (barring ballot changes, of course) than his 3 closest competitors and 5 of the next 6.
I think this election for 2nd will be as tight as they come. The only potential for a blowout is Terry, as he is an unknown, but I'd be surprised to see that matieralize.
Losing Pike actually hurt me in that department this time. Having Vance on my ballot next time should help some.
Philly:
1. Sewell-prime
2. Terry-prime
7. Vance-peak
13. Rixey-career
Other 5 will be off my ballot
My unrequited love for Chance and McGraw (and Doyle and Bresnahan and Traynor) will keep me from leading this category.
Conversely, I usually have enough names that are among the consensus that I won't in any avant garde award for 'fewest of top 15', either, but I'd be interested in seeing if anyone has voted for 4 or fewer some year.
The voter who selected the largest number of top 15 candidates was Brad G with 12. There were 7 voters (including favre and me) with 11 of the top 15 and 10 voters with 10 of the top 15. Gaupo only had 5 of the top 15 (and everyone got 2 for free in 1941).
There's nothing all that magic about the top 15 - after all, the vote totals aren't very different between #15 and #16, or for that matter #10 and #25.
Who got the most of the top 10 candidates? Brad G and favre, with 9 each. (John Murphy, Kelly from SD, and Gaupo 4 each).
Who got the most of the top 20 candidates? Brad G, favre, and Buddha, with 14 each. (Eric C and Guapo, 6 each).
Who got the most of the top 25 candidates? Brad G, Don F, and DanG each got all 15 of theirs in the top 25. (Gaupo 7.)
As for you, Tom: 6 of the top 10, 9 of the top 15, 11 of the top 20, 13 of the top 25.
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