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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Monday, March 07, 20051946 Ballot Results: Sluggers Turkey Stearnes and Al Simmons are the Latest Hall of Merit Additions!With the most votes for this election, Detroit Stars’ legend Turkey Stearnes gained admission into the Hall of Merit in his first year of eligibility with 97% of the vote. He also has the honor of becoming the twelfth Negro Leaguer to receive HoM recognition. In also his first year of eligibility, Philadelphia Athletics’ star Al Simmons trailed Stearnes only slightly with an impressive 94% of the vote to win the second spot. Mule Suttles had a fine debut and appears to be a force to be reckoned with. Rounding out the top-ten were: John Beckwith, Eppa Rixey, Earl Averill, Wes Ferrell, Clark Griffith, Hughie Jennings and George Sisler. RK LY Player PTS Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 n/e Turkey Stearnes 1232 53 35 15 1 1 1 2 n/e Al Simmons 1192 53 17 28 7 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 n/e Mule Suttles 758 51 3 9 6 4 8 5 5 1 4 1 2 2 1 4 3 John Beckwith 602 44 2 7 5 7 2 1 4 2 3 2 2 2 5 5 4 Eppa Rixey 424 34 1 1 1 2 6 2 3 5 5 2 1 3 2 6 n/e Earl Averill 376 34 3 1 4 3 3 3 3 6 4 1 3 7 7 Wes Ferrell 374 30 1 2 4 3 2 1 1 1 3 2 1 5 4 8 5 Clark Griffith 355 28 1 4 2 4 4 1 2 1 1 3 2 2 1 9 6 Hughie Jennings 342 25 5 4 2 2 1 2 3 1 1 4 10 9 George Sisler 306 25 1 3 1 4 1 1 1 2 3 1 2 1 4 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 11 Jake Beckley 293 23 1 2 2 2 2 5 2 2 1 1 1 2 12 12 Hugh Duffy 291 25 1 4 2 3 2 1 1 1 3 3 3 1 13 10 George Van Haltren 282 21 1 3 2 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 1 1 14 8 Joe Sewell 270 20 1 2 5 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 15 13 Edd Roush 260 23 2 2 1 2 2 3 4 3 2 2 16 14 Rube Waddell 248 23 1 1 1 1 2 2 5 2 2 2 1 3 17 16 Mickey Welch 203 14 4 2 2 1 2 2 1 18 15 Tommy Leach 198 19 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 2 2 3 3 19 24 Dick Lundy 183 16 1 2 1 1 3 1 1 1 5 20 17 Cupid Childs 179 16 1 1 2 3 2 1 1 1 2 2 21 18 Pete Browning 160 12 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 1 22 20 Cannonball Dick Redding 153 12 2 1 3 3 2 1 23 22 Burleigh Grimes 152 13 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 24 19 Roger Bresnahan 150 14 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 3 1 25 21 Charley Jones 140 10 1 1 3 1 2 1 1 26 23 José Méndez 129 12 1 2 2 1 2 2 2 27 25 Dobie Moore 122 13 1 1 1 3 3 1 3 28 26 Bill Monroe 117 12 3 3 1 2 2 1 29 29 Wally Schang 110 9 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 30 27 Larry Doyle 99 9 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 31 n/e Dizzy Dean 91 8 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 32 30 Sam Rice 87 7 1 1 2 1 1 1 33 31 Pie Traynor 81 8 1 1 1 2 1 2 34 28 Jimmy Ryan 79 7 1 3 2 1 35 33 Gavy Cravath 69 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 36 36T Ben Taylor 42 4 1 1 1 1 37T 42 Ed Cicotte 41 4 1 1 1 1 37T 35 Carl Mays 41 4 1 1 1 1 37T 36T John McGraw 41 4 1 1 1 1 40 34 Kiki Cuyler 36 4 1 1 2 41 32 George J. Burns 35 3 1 1 1 42T 56 Buzz Arlett 31 3 1 1 1 42T n/e Wally Berger 31 3 1 1 1 44 38T Harry Hooper 29 3 1 2 45T 46T Addie Joss 28 3 2 1 45T 41 Tony Lazzeri 28 3 1 1 1 47 40 Vic Willis 26 3 1 1 1 48 38T Spotswood Poles 26 2 1 1 49 43 Ed Williamson 23 3 2 1 50 51 Bobby Veach 18 2 1 1 51 n/e Newt Allen 14 1 1 52T 53T Tommy Bond 13 1 1 52T 48 Ed Konetchy 13 1 1 52T 53T Dolf Luque 13 1 1 52T n/e Tony Mullane 13 1 1 56 52 Heinie Manush 12 2 2 57 49 Fred Dunlap 12 1 1 58 n/e Jack Quinn 11 1 1 59T 57T Wilbur Cooper 10 1 1 59T 60T Sam Leever 10 1 1 59T 45 Hack Wilson 10 1 1 62T 55 Fielder Jones 9 1 1 62T 44 Urban Shocker 9 1 1 64 57T Waite Hoyt 8 1 1 65 62T Mike Griffin 7 1 1 66T 57T Donie Bush 6 1 1 66T 64T Jim McCormick 6 1 1 Dropped Out: Dave Bancroft(64T), Frank Chance(46T), Lave Cross(64T), Judy Johnson(62T), Rabbit Maranville(50), Oliver Marcelle(60T), Ray Schalk(68), Tom York(67).
John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
Posted: March 07, 2005 at 09:14 PM | 23 comment(s)
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 08, 2005 at 01:11 AM (#1186841)There were 3 voters at +16 and 3 at +15. In order from the top: Ardo, Chris Cobb, Howie Menckel, favre, OCF, Tiboreau. The lowest few scores: yest -9, EricC -5, karlmagnus -5, Gadfly -2.
John is probably curious about the effect of his new system: +7, right in the middle. Flaxseed, returning from a long absence, is also at +7. (When last previously heard from, he was -2 and -2 in years that averaged -3.4 and +1.1.) Trevor, with his vote officially counted, was at +12.
I was curious, now that you mention it. :-)
1923-29 - Detroit Stars
1930 - Detroit/NY Lincoln Giants
1931 - Detroit Stars
1932-34 - Chicago American Giants
1935 - Chi Am Giants/Philadelphia
1936 - Philadelphia Stars
1937 - Detroit Stars
1938 - KC Monarchs/Chi Am Giants
1939-40 - KC Monarchs
seems like all fulltime seasons (well, at least half his team's games every year)
and all in the OF, correct?
Van Haltren still on pace to take the top spot after 1949 voting, but he's slipped a bit and the ballot only gets tougher. Should make it after 1950, but Jennings trails by just 219 and cut another 60 off the margin this year. Duffy and Beckley also will take Pike down before all's said and done.
Pike 13399
VAN HALTREN 12677.5
JENNINGS 12458
DUFFY 12440
Thompson 12349
BECKLEY 11876
Bennett 11503
BROWNING 10978.5
Caruthers 10704
GRIFITH 10484
RYAN 10122
WADDELL 9753
H Stovey 9576
CHILDS 8730
WELCH 8639
Anyone have the all-time points list for all? I had it,but my computer appears to have eaten it.
He's grouped pretty tightly with slots 7-9. Anything can happen once guys in this range climb high enough to start getting elect-me bonuses.
One of the more underrated Negro Leaguers; he could hit the #### out of the ball, but surprisingly few know of him.
Stearnes also appeared with the Monarchs in 1930 and with the Chi Am Giants in 1937. Both of these are additions, not changes.
I'm certain the 1930 Monarchs stint was token.
I'm not sure about 1937 with the Chi Am Giants, but I think it was token. gadfly'd know for sure.
Both squads had Cobb, E Collins, Cochrane, and Simmons. 1927 had Wheat, 1928 had Speaker.
They've got two more easy ones coming as well. Where would seven be on the all-time list?
1874-75 Boston NA White Barnes O'Rourke Wright Spalding McVey FIRST/FIRST
1876 Chicago NL White Barnes Hines Anson Spalding McVey FIRST
1887-89 New York NL Gore O'Rourke Ward Keefe Ewing Connor FOURTH/FIRST/FIRST
1891 Boston NL Kelly Clarkson Nichols Stovey Kelley Bennett FIRST
1891 New York NL Gore O'Rourke Ewing Connor Glasscock Rusie THIRD
1892 New York NL Gore O'Rourke Ewing Rusie Richardson Keeler EIGHTH
They've got two more easy ones coming as well. Where would seven be on the all-time list?
But practically none of them were in their prime! Only Al Simmons and Lefty Grove were in the 25-38 age range. You had youngsters Cochrane and Foxx, and oldsters Cobb, Speaker, and Collins, and Wheat. They don't win the World Series until 1929 when they clear out all the HoM dead wood (only 42 Y.O. Collins gets 7 ABs), and replace them with Mule Haas.
Cochrane won the MVP in 1928 and was arguably better in 1927. -- And Boy Wonder Foxx had a 148 OPS+ in 473 PA's. Plus a SECOND/SECOND behind Murderer's Row is nothing to sneeze at. Other than that, you're right, of course. :-)
Its still fun to see the HOM-ers bunching up on the same roster. As Howie showed, they haven't done that since 1892.
Looking at the overall voting trends...
Turkey Stearnes received the 2nd highest support among negro leaguers inducted on their first ballot: (pct of total possible points)
1.Oscar Charleston: 99.2%
2.Turkey Stearnes: 96.9%
3.Louis Santop: 92.0%
4.Bullet Joe Rogan: 80.0%
5.Pete Hill: 60.0%
Out of 42 first-ballot inductees thus far, 5 have been negro leaguers, or 11.9%.
Mule Suttles becomes the new holdover frontrunner.
Highest % received, any election, among unelected players:
1.Mule Suttles: 59.6%
2.John Beckwith: 51.4%
3.Hugh Duffy: 51.1%
4.George Van Haltren: 48.3%
5.Ned Williamson: 47.1%
Only one player received his highest support to date in the 1946 election: Dick Lundy, with 14.4%.
Several players reached new lows:
Joe Sewell - 21.2
Dick Redding - 12.0
Burleigh Grimes - 11.9
Sam Rice - 6.8
Jimmy Ryan - 6.2
Harry Hooper - 2.3
Lave Cross - 0.0
Cross joins Mike Tiernan and Tip O'Neill as the only candidates in HoM history to receive zero support after getting at least 15% in their ballot debut. Will Harry Hooper be next?
Looking at HoM membership and at the current vote, I think we are heavy on "bats" and short of "gloves."
I have had a hard time trying to picture Turkey Stearnes, but while reaading BP 2005 a thought came to me. Could Stearnes have been the 1930's NeL version of Bobby Abreu?
I realize that this doesn't sound entirely flattering, but Abreu has posted .300/.400/.520 seasons with about 30 steals like clockwork while playing a very solid RF. In his 20's he may have been able to handle CF, but the Phillies had Doug Glanville when he was useful. Even now he could handle it in a pinch.
Stearnes, like Abreu, didn't seem to get the credit he deserved while he played. Few Negro League experts put him on the same plane as guys like Bell, Johnson, and Lundy, players whom I think were inferior to him. but looking back at hsi statistical record it becomes obvious that he was a stud. Go ahead and look at what Abreu, who just played in his first All-Star game in July, has done for the past 7 years, he looks like HOM material in the making.
Stearnes may have been better defensively, but again we don't have defensive stats and most NeL stars got raves for their defense. I guess the most likely scenario is that Stearnes was a rich man's Abreu.
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