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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Monday, June 13, 20051953 Results: WWII Vets Dickey and Greenberg are Welcomed into the Hall of Merit!In his second year of eligibility, legendary backstop Bill Dickey claimed a robust 91% of the possible votes to become the first man elected this “year.” In his first year of eligibility, Tiger slugger Hank Greenberg earned 89% of the possible votes to also win induction into the HoM. Long-time Negro League shortstop Willie Wells had a fine showing in his first year of eligibility and will certainly be a HoMer in a year or two. Rounding out the top ten were: Mules Suttles, John Beckwith, Billy Herman*, Red Ruffing*, Stan Hack*, Earl Averill and Eppa Rixey. * newbies RK LY Player PTS Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 3 Bill Dickey 1076 49 18 19 10 1 1 2 n/e Hank Greenberg 1048 49 21 13 5 5 2 2 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 n/e Willie Wells 841 48 6 5 16 6 3 3 1 2 2 1 1 1 1 4 4 Mule Suttles 638 44 2 2 6 4 7 5 2 1 2 5 2 2 3 1 5 5 John Beckwith 557 40 5 6 7 2 4 1 4 2 3 3 3 6 n/e Billy Herman 422 33 2 5 3 3 3 2 4 3 1 1 1 2 3 7 n/e Red Ruffing 332 27 1 3 2 3 2 5 2 1 1 3 1 3 8 n/e Stan Hack 315 28 1 1 4 3 3 1 1 3 4 4 2 1 9 6 Earl Averill 262 24 3 1 2 1 2 3 2 2 5 2 1 10 7 Eppa Rixey 260 24 3 1 3 4 1 2 1 4 5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 8 Wes Ferrell 256 22 2 1 1 2 2 4 1 3 2 1 1 2 12 10 Hughie Jennings 246 18 1 2 1 3 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 13 9 Biz Mackey 225 23 1 1 3 3 2 2 6 5 14 12 Clark Griffith 211 19 3 3 1 3 2 2 1 3 1 15 14 George Van Haltren 202 17 3 3 5 2 1 1 2 16 11 Cool Papa Bell 196 17 1 2 2 2 2 1 3 3 1 17 15T Jake Beckley 194 16 1 1 2 1 2 3 2 1 2 1 18 13 George Sisler 187 16 1 1 1 3 2 1 2 2 3 19 19 Mickey Welch 161 11 2 3 2 1 1 1 1 20 15T Joe Sewell 159 14 1 1 2 2 1 2 3 1 1 21 17 Hugh Duffy 138 12 1 2 1 2 3 1 1 1 22 20 Pete Browning 132 10 2 1 1 2 1 2 1 23 18 Cannonball Dick Redding 129 12 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 2 24 21 Edd Roush 107 11 1 2 3 1 3 1 25 24 Cupid Childs 107 10 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 26 26 Tommy Leach 104 10 1 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 27 23 Burleigh Grimes 104 9 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 28 27 Wally Schang 98 8 1 1 2 2 1 1 29 25 Gavy Cravath 97 7 1 1 1 2 1 1 30 28 Charley Jones 95 7 1 1 2 1 1 1 31 29 José Méndez 94 8 1 2 1 1 2 1 32 22 Rube Waddell 85 9 1 1 3 2 2 33 n/e Ernie Lombardi 80 6 1 2 2 1 34T 30T Roger Bresnahan 65 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 34T 35T Dobie Moore 65 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 36 34 Dizzy Dean 62 6 2 1 1 1 1 37 30T Larry Doyle 61 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 38 33 Bob Johnson 53 5 1 1 1 1 1 39 35T Dick Lundy 45 4 1 1 1 1 40 32 Bill Monroe 40 4 1 1 1 1 41 39 Chuck Klein 40 3 1 1 1 42T 37 Tommy Bridges 39 4 1 2 1 42T 38 Sam Rice 39 4 1 3 44 40 Ben Taylor 28 3 1 1 1 45T 41 John McGraw 24 3 1 1 1 45T 44T Jimmy Ryan 24 3 1 1 1 47T 52T Wally Berger 19 2 1 1 47T 44T George J. Burns 19 2 1 1 49 47T Vic Willis 17 2 1 1 50 43 Buzz Arlett 17 1 1 51 47T Spotswood Poles 16 2 1 1 52T 46 Ed Cicotte 16 1 1 52T 42 Pie Traynor 16 1 1 54 50 Tommy Bond 14 1 1 55 52T Dolf Luque 13 1 1 56 58 Fielder Jones 11 1 1 57T 52T Lefty Gomez 9 1 1 57T 56 Sam Leever 9 1 1 59 49 Carl Mays 8 1 1 60T n/e Bill Byrd 7 1 1 60T n/e Addie Joss 7 1 1 62 n/e Mel Harder 6 1 1 Dropped Out: Donie Bush(55), Frank Chance(59T), Rabbit Maranville(57), Tony Mullane(59T), Buddy Myer(59T), Lon Warneke(59T), Hack Wilson(51). John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 14, 2005 at 12:32 AM (#1402227)More seriously, looks like unless there is a serious case of SNT syndrome, 5 guys from this class are getting in over the long (or maybe short) haul.
The totals are right, but the intro wasn't. Thanks for picking it up.
Top 5:
Ron Wargo 18
Tiboreau 17
Devin McCullen 16
Andrew M 16
Carl G 16
(with 5 more at 15: dan b, TomH, Chris Cobb, Rob Wood, jschmeagol)
Bottom 5:
PhillyBooster -2
yest -5
Gadfly -6
Daryn -8
karlmagnus -14
Michael Bass was at +6, slightly below average.
All-time vote points totals leaders, through 1953, top 25 overall and top 25 active (extras in parentheses)
Beckley still several years away from catching Duffy... Griffith passes Thompson for 6th... Welch next year becomes 10,000 pt man No 13... Beckwith could pass Grant next year as the all-time Negro League pts leader.
JENNINGS 14543
VAN HALTREN 14325.5
DUFFY 13917.5
BECKLEY 13660
Pike 13399
GRIFFITH 12460
Thompson 12349
BROWNING 11986.5
Bennett 11503
WADDELL 10868
Caruthers 10704
RYAN 10507.5
WELCH 9917
CHILDS 9788
H Stovey 9576
Start 8378.5
McGinnity 8232
Pearce 8073
McVey 7985.5
Grant 7969.5
BECKWITH 7402
BRESNAHAN 6982
T LEACH 6673
Galvin 6585
Sheckard 6377
(Rixey 6061, C Jones 5737, Sisler 5732, Suttles 5584, Monroe 4950, Sewell 4720, Williamson 4217, Doyle 4003, Roush 3888, Mendez 3448, Ferrell 3398, Redding 3364)
You're calling for a consideration of Wells versus Vaughan. This brings up all sorts of issues: peak versus career, of course; well-docomented versus seen through the lens through which we have to look at the Negro Leagues. The question of which one is better falls within the range of reasonable uncertainty. For my own sake, I'll go with the peak and put Vaughan ahead of Wells, but it doesn't really have to be either/or; our Hall is big enough for both of them.
I'm usually over-voting the Negro League candidates, but I guess in this case my over-voting of NeLers was outweighed by my under-voting of middle infielders. I had Wells at #19 -- comparable to where I had Averill. Is there a reason to think that Wells was significantly better?
Also, I was one of the few votes for Lombardi.
Those two, alone, were probably enough to get me onto the low-Sim list. I don't think I'd ever been on one or the other before.
Not particularly useful, I suppose. But interesting.
I have 23 complete lists of 16-20. I also have 4 approximate lists (voters who just listed 5-6-7 "close" or "next" but not in order), and 5 partials (newbies or requireds identified as ranking 16-20 but not a complete list).
I rated them 10-9-8-7-6 on the belief that the names only matter if and when they get into the top 15.
So with all of these caveats:
1. Mackey 8 ballots-68 points
2. Bell 8-67
3. Herman 7-59
4. Ferrell 7-55
5. Hack 6-50
6. B. Johnson 6-48
7. Rixey 6-47
8. Duffy 5-45
9. Averill 6-43.5
10. Ruffing 5-41
11. Childs 5-38
12. Roush 4-31.5
13. Waddell 4-30
14tie. Bresnahan, Gomez, Mendez 4-29
17. Browning 4-28
18. Griffith 4-27
19. Moore 3-27
20. Jennings 4-26
21. Beckley 4-25
22tie. Beckwith, Van Haltren 3-25
24. Traynor 3-24
25. Monroe 3-22
Here is how these might possibly alter the standings (top 25 only):
Hack overtakes Ruffing
Ferrell overtakes Rixey and Averill, and Rixey overtakes Averill
Mackey overtakes Jennings
Bell overtakes Van Haltren and Griffith
Duffy overtakes Sewell
Childs overtakes Roush
Obviously players have to be pretty tightly bunched for these votes to make a difference, but make a difference they do. By my calculations, we will elect backloggers as follows:
1954--Wells
1956--Suttles
1958 (elect 3)--Beckwith, Herman
1960--Hack and Ruffing
1961--Ferrell (if my theory holds up, Averill is the current leader)
The elect 1 year is 1961.
Given that it is 1958 vs. 1961 (i.e. the alternatives are close together in time), I think we will elect the "same" player either way, though it will be hard to tell because we will be into the Averill-Rixey-Ferrell cluster where it is too close to call right now.
But I could easily see us elect one of the three and never quite get back to the others ever again. Of course, it is also true that Herman, Hack and/or Ruffing could just be shiny new toys who will drop fast enough to clear a second spot for Averill-Rixey-Ferrell in '58 or '60.
But from the results above, I think it is fair to say that the backlog is in tiers. Wells, Suttles and Beckwith look like sure things. The rest, with the possible exception of Herman but including all the way down to Mackey--8 players in all--are competing for 4 spots for the foreseeable future.
This is in fact my first year with the lowest consensus score, but it won't be the last. I had both Dickey and Greenberg on my ballot, but not at 1-2, Wells on it but low and Suttles, Herman, Ruffing, Averill and Hack weren't on it at all. While I expect the electorate to converge on my negative view of these 5 guys over the next decade (with the probable exception of Suttles) there will then be a new bunch of newbies for me to sneer at and others to admire. My consensus only improves when we get DEEP into the backlog, and my faves are the only plausible guys left :-))
RUFFING IS A RATFINK, LEEVER IS A CHAMP!
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