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1959 Results: You Can Look Back, It’s Just Satchel and the Big Cat Gaining on the Hall of Merit!

In his first year of eligibility, the most legendary star of the Negro Leagues, Satchel Paige, easily gained induction with 97% of all possible points. He is the HoM’s 21st Negro League inductee to date.

Another first-year inductee was famed slugging first baseman Johnny Mize , who was close behind Paige with 95% of all possible points.

Breaking the record from the last election, there were 73 candidates who received at least one vote

Rounding out the top-ten were: Joe Medwick, Red Ruffing, Hughie Jennings, Biz Mackey, Wes Ferrell, Earl Averill, Eppa Rixey, and Clark Griffith.

RK   LY  Player                   PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1  n/e  Satchel Paige           1090   46  38  7     1                                 
 2  n/e  Johnny Mize             1069   47   7 37  2           1                        
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 3    4  Joe Medwick              375   30         3  4  3  2  2  2  3     1  1  4  4  1
 4    6  Red Ruffing              367   28         3  2  4  2  2  3  3  2  2  2  2     1
 5    5  Hughie Jennings          363   25      1  6  4  4     1  2     1  1  3        2
 6    7  Biz Mackey               315   27         1  1  1     5  3  2  6  2  2  1  1  2
 7    8  Wes Ferrell              313   24         3  3  2  3  1  1  1  3  2  2  1  1  1
 8    9  Earl Averill             288   24         1  3  3     2  2  2  1  3  2  1  2  2
 9   10  Eppa Rixey               277   23         3  1  2  3  1  2  1  1     2  1  4  2
10   11  Clark Griffith           269   20         5  2  1  1  1  1  2  1  1  2  3      
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
11   12  George Sisler            244   19   1           3  3  1  1  3  2  2  1     1  1
12   15  George Van Haltren       229   17         2  2  3  1  2  1  1  2     1        2
13   19  Cool Papa Bell           217   17      1     3     1  2     2  2  4     1     1
14   14  Jake Beckley             216   17         2  5     1        1  2  1  1     3  1
15   16  Cupid Childs             195   18               2  3     2  1     2  2  3     3
16   13  Willard Brown            192   19         1     1     1  3  1     3  1  2  2  4
17   22  Joe Sewell               191   17            2  1  1  2  1  2     1  1  2  2  2
18   20  Bobby Doerr              172   13         1     2  2  2  2  1        2  1      
19   17  Hugh Duffy               171   13         1     1  3  3        3  1        1   
20   21  Mickey Welch             166   11   1     2  1  1  3  1                 1     1
21   18  Pete Browning            156   13         2  1  1     1     1     2  2  2  1   
22   23  Dobie Moore              155   12            1  2  2  1  1  2        2     1   
23   24  Cannonball Dick Redding  151   13            1  1  1  2  1  1     2     2  2   
24   26  José Méndez              143   12               1  2  2  2  1           3  1   
25   27  Bucky Walters            128   10            2  1  1     1  1  2  1           1
26   25  Alejandro Oms            115    9            2     1  1  1     1  1  2         
27   35  Tommy Leach              110    9         1        1  1     2  2  1        1   
28   29  Joe Gordon               108   11               1  1     2           2  1  1  3
29   30  Gavy Cravath             104    8      1        1  1  1        1  1     1  1   
30T  33  Roger Bresnahan           97    9         2                 1  1  1  1     1  2
30T  32  Rube Waddell              97    9            1        1  1     1     2  3      
32   28  Charley Jones             97    8         1  1           1  1  2        1  1   
33   37  Edd Roush                 96   10         1              1        1  2  3  1  1
34   34  Wally Schang              96    8         1        1     1  1  1  2        1   
35   31  Burleigh Grimes           95    8         1        1  1     1  1     2     1   
36  n/e  Bob Elliott               77    8            1           1           3     2  1
37   36  Larry Doyle               66    5            1  1        1  1           1      
38   48  Quincey Trouppe           58    5               1  1  1                    1  1
39   39  Bill Monroe               56    6            1                       1  2  2   
40   44T Jimmy Ryan                52    6                           1  1        1  3   
41T  38  Dizzy Dean                50    4               1        1     1  1            
41T  41  John McGraw               50    4                     1  2        1            
43   40  Bob Johnson               48    5                  1        1        1        2
44   46  Ben Taylor                42    4               1                 2           1
45   44T Tommy Bridges             41    4                           1  2           1   
46   47  Dizzy Trout               40    3                  1  1        1               
47   42  Charlie Keller            37    4                           2              1  1
48   53  Sam Rice                  36    4                              2        1     1
49   43  Ernie Lombardi            35    3         1                          1  1      
50   49  Ed Williamson             34    4                              1  1        1  1
51  n/e  Luke Easter               31    2            1        1                        
52  n/e  Dutch Leonard             28    2         1                       1            
53T  50T Addie Joss                24    2                        1     1               
53T  52  Chuck Klein               24    2                           2                  
55   66T Carl Mays                 23    2                        1        1            
56  n/e  Bobo Newsom               21    2                  1                          1
57   55  George J. Burns           18    2                                 1     1      
58   54  Pie Traynor               16    1               1                              
59   56  Dom DiMaggio              15    2                                       1  1   
60T  57  Ed Cicotte                15    1                  1                           
60T  58T Fielder Jones             15    1                  1                           
62T  58T Tommy Bond                14    1                     1                        
62T  60T Bobby Veach               14    1                     1                        
64T  64  Dolf Luque                13    1                        1                     
64T  60T Leroy Matlock             13    1                        1                     
66   62T Dick Lundy                12    2                                             2
67   50T Vic Willis                12    1                           1                  
68   65  Fred Dunlap               10    1                                 1            
69   66T Lefty Gomez                9    1                                    1         
70   62T Hack Wilson                7    1                                          1   
71T n/e  Frank Chance               6    1                                             1
71T  66T Sam Leever                 6    1                                             1
71T  69T Rabbit Maranville          6    1                                             1
Dropped Out: Wilbur Cooper(69T), Sam Jethroe(69T). 

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 04, 2005 at 09:49 PM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 06, 2005 at 12:05 AM (#1599044)

Congratulations to two worthy players!

BTW, since I never received any results from any of the other ballot counters, there may be some errors. Paige and Mize will still be first and second, though. :-)

Doerr over Gordon again? Oms and Brown do worse?!

(sigh)

2. sunnyday2 Posted: September 06, 2005 at 12:07 AM (#1599046)

I forget now, who didn't have Satch on his ballot???

3. sunnyday2 Posted: September 06, 2005 at 12:13 AM (#1599055)

And congrats to this week's big gainers:

Carl Mays moved up 11 spots and Quincy Trouppe 10 among the also-rans.

Tommy Leach gained 8 among the dark horses.

Cool Papa Bell and Joe Sewell gained 6 among contenders.

The losers were Vic Willis (-17) and Willard Brown (-6), the latter possibly dropping from among the contenders to the dark horses?

In the top 10, Ruffing jumped Jennings, which could matter soon enough, certainly in the next decade, if (of course) it stays that way.

4. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 06, 2005 at 12:14 AM (#1599056)

I forget now, who didn't have Satch on his ballot???

Uh, well, er...

...at any rate, it wasn't me! :-)

5. Dag Nabbit: Sockless Psychopath Posted: September 06, 2005 at 12:18 AM (#1599059)

In the top 10, Ruffing jumped Jennings, which could matter soon enough, certainly in the next decade, if (of course) it stays that way.

Jennings just missed more elect-me slots than Ruffing did. With no "no brainer" candidates next year Jennings should move back over Ruffing.

6. sunnyday2 Posted: September 06, 2005 at 12:21 AM (#1599063)

If somebody should stumble on to this page more or less by accident (but a baseball fan) and if they looked at the results bottom-up, can you imagine their surprise at HoFers Lefty Gomez, Hack Wilson and Frank Chance at the bottom of the list, with Pie Traynor and Chuck Klein not much above them and 3 votes between 'em?!

Probably even just a tad more of a shock than Biz Mackey and Wes Ferrell in the top 10.

7. sunnyday2 Posted: September 06, 2005 at 01:10 AM (#1599107)

I tallied #16-20 "votes" again this "year." They could impact the future results significantly, though there are plenty of caveats to go around.

The method is as follows.

1) Assume that we elect, say, 5 players from the backlog so that everybody moves up 5 places, and the #16-20 "votes" become #11-15 votes.

2) Move up #3-5 votes to elect me slots.

3) Move everything else up 5 slots, including the #16-20s.

The problems with this method are many, including that the players who would be elected and clear the ballot would include 5 of the above, whereas I leave them all on the ballot. Also, the specific impact on individual players would depend on who got elected and where they are on individual ballots, though that is going to be a difference of 1 or 2 points here or there. The biggest problem is that of the 47 ballots, I only have #16-20 for (I think it was) 14 of them, though I have partials and estimateds from another dozen or so that were ambiguous but provided some information. So best case I have about half the data needed, and so I doubled the points earned by #16-20 "votes."

So there's more than just "plenty" of caveats about this, it's just for fun.

For Joe Medwick, the new hypothetical total is as follows.

Medwick 375 (existing) + (10x4 new elect-me slots) + (2.5x10 is how far up those 10 votes move excluding the elect-me bonus) + (20 x 5 as all his other ballots move up 5 slots) + 27 (how many points he earns in actual #16-20 moving up to #11-15) + another 27 for the missing data = 594

Here are the rest in order of placement 1959:

Ruffing (was 367) projected 586
Jennings 554
Mackey 523
Ferrell 543 (passes Mackey)
Averill 543 (passes Mackey, ties Ferrell)
Rixey 513
Griffith 425

Sisler 404
Van Haltren 358
Bell 363 (passes Van Haltren)
Beckley 361 (passes Van Haltren)
Childs 348
Sewell 314
Browning 308
Doerr 355 (passes Childs, Sewell, Browning)
W. Brown 279
Duffy 345 (passes Sewell, Browning, Brown)

Welch 222
D. Moore 220
Redding 285 (passes Welch, Moore, Brown)
Mendez 260 (passes Welch and Moore)
Walters 240 (passes Welch and Moore)
Oms 216
Leach 191
Gordon 280 (passes Welch, Moore, Mendez, Walters, Oms, Leach)

That's as far as I went. The big winners in #16-20 votes alone (some of the shifts relates to elect-me bonuses, of course) are Averill, Duffy, Gordon, Doerr and Rixey.

8. sunnyday2 Posted: September 06, 2005 at 01:25 AM (#1599118)

>Doerr over Gordon again? Oms and Brown do worse?!

>(sigh)

But, John, look who is the highest rated 2B!

9. OCF Posted: September 06, 2005 at 01:30 AM (#1599126)

Discrepencies - I have Willard Brown with 3 8th place votes (Chris Cobb, Jeff M, and Devin McCullen) and 2 13th place votes (Dr. Chaleeko and Mark Donelson) and thus 192 points, not 171. I haven't yet tracked down where those points come from.

10. OCF Posted: September 06, 2005 at 01:34 AM (#1599128)

Browning - that's it. John's tally mistakenly reassigns one 8th place and one 13th place vote from Brown to Browning. Browning should have 156 points, not 177.

11. OCF Posted: September 06, 2005 at 01:46 AM (#1599147)

Consensus scores. Average is +1.0. As I said, agreement at the top masking wild divisions below. My own score went up because we elected Herman, whom I wasn't voting for.

dan b: +9.5
DanG: +8.2
andrew siegel: +7.0
OCF: +6.6
Adam Schafer: +6.6
...
Chris J: +1.7 (median)
...
karlmagnus: -4.6
John Murphy: -5.1
Patrick W: -5.3
Rusty Priske: -10.1 (That's who left off Satchel)
yest: -10.2 (Paige and Mize as 3-4 instead of 1-2)
Gadfly: -10.7 (The lowest vote for Mize)

12. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 06, 2005 at 01:58 AM (#1599169)

Browning - that's it. John's tally mistakenly reassigns one 8th place and one 13th place vote from Brown to Browning. Browning should have 156 points, not 177.

Browning and Brown are my new Beckwith and Beckley. Thanks, OCF.

John Murphy: -5.1

That's about what I thought. I knew I wasn't going to be the outlier, though. :-)

But, John, look who is the highest rated 2B!

Yeah, I did notice that, Marc. :-)

13. PhillyBooster Posted: September 06, 2005 at 02:41 AM (#1599248)

We voted for Andres Galarraga? I must have missed that.

14. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 06, 2005 at 02:15 PM (#1599754)

We voted for Andres Galarraga? I must have missed that.

No, you're thinking of El Gato Grande. :-)

15. yest Posted: September 06, 2005 at 07:42 PM (#1600375)

John is it possible to put on the top on the chart from now the total number of ballots cast.

16. Kelly in SD Posted: September 06, 2005 at 09:10 PM (#1600564)

Congrats to The Big Cat and Ol' Satch. Sorry I never sent in an official ballot, but I lost track of days. I am in the process of packing for a move back to San Diego. At least my two players in elect-me spots were elected.

I'll pay better attention to the dates for the 1960 election as EVERY vote / EVERY spot on a ballot will matter this time. No foregone conclusions this time.

17. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: September 06, 2005 at 09:12 PM (#1600571)

Interesting to note that Wes Ferrell caught a vote in every slot from 3-15.

18. DavidFoss Posted: September 06, 2005 at 09:32 PM (#1600613)

Interesting to note that Wes Ferrell caught a vote in every slot from 3-15.

Yeah, a while back someone went back and checked for players who got votes on all 15 ballot slots in a year. Stan Hack did it last year. It often occurs fairly well down the ballot, too, if I recall correctly, someone did it outside of the top ten one year (I want to say Cupid Childs?). Anyhow, yet another cool thing to track in HOM elections. :-)

19. Evan Posted: September 06, 2005 at 09:37 PM (#1600627)

47 ballots.

20. jimd Posted: September 07, 2005 at 01:20 AM (#1601392)

John is it possible to put on the top on the chart from now the total number of ballots cast.

It would be nice for easy reference. Something like:

Dropped Out: Wilbur Cooper(69T), Sam Jethroe(69T).
Ballots Cast: 47.

21. Howie Menckel Posted: September 07, 2005 at 01:32 AM (#1601448)

All-time 'vote points totals' leaders, through 1957

Beckley finally moves into 3rd place

JENNINGS 16533
VAN HALTREN 15565.5
BECKLEY 14966
DUFFY 14930.5
GRIFFITH 13920
Pike 13399
BROWNING 12920.5
Thompson 12349
Bennett 11503
WADDELL 11468

WELCH 10872
Caruthers 10704
CHILDS 10768
RYAN 10602.5
Beckwith 9920
H Stovey 9576
Start 8378.5
McGinnity 8232
Pearce 8073
McVey 7985.5

Grant 7969.5
Suttles 7696
RIXEY 7624
BRESNAHAN 7501
T LEACH 7307
(Sisler 7079, C Jones 6393, Sewell 5714, Monroe 5263, Ferrell 5212, Doyle 4394, Roush 4372, Williamson 4323, Redding 4268, Mendez 4231)
(I'll doublecheck Averill next year)

22. DavidFoss Posted: September 07, 2005 at 01:43 AM (#1601490)

It would be nice for easy reference. Something like:

Dropped Out: Wilbur Cooper(69T), Sam Jethroe(69T).
Ballots Cast: 47.

I could be wrong, but I think the small-font output is actually autogenerated by Evan's Amazing Ballot Counter. Maybe we could submit a feature enhancement request to Evan.

23. sunnyday2 Posted: September 07, 2005 at 08:15 PM (#1602811)

I've always just counted up the first place votes.

24. DavidFoss Posted: September 07, 2005 at 08:36 PM (#1602858)

I've always just counted up the first place votes.

In some years that is kinda tricky.

25. Evan Posted: September 07, 2005 at 08:45 PM (#1602885)

I could be wrong, but I think the small-font output is actually autogenerated by Evan's Amazing Ballot Counter. Maybe we could submit a feature enhancement request to Evan.

Now, why didn't I think of that...

New version of the ballot counter available in the Yahoo groups site.

26. DavidFoss Posted: September 07, 2005 at 08:53 PM (#1602905)

Evan, you rule! :-)

27. Howie Menckel Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:24 AM (#1608845)

Just noticing with Paige - this is the first 'real relief pitcher' season we've elected, in the sense of his 1952 season. 46 g, only 6 starts, 10 svs, 138 IP, finished 35 games. We had yet to see that before.

Mize also confounds my hitting 'regulars' syste (until I tweak it). He (barely) played more than half his team's games in 1952-53, but batted only 137 and 104 times. This is the first 'pure pinch hitter' season we've elected.

28. DavidFoss Posted: September 10, 2005 at 07:14 AM (#1609985)

29. Howie Menckel Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:10 PM (#1610050)

Faber, indeed.
Whew, tough crowd! ;)

30. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 12, 2005 at 01:27 PM (#1613291)

Evan, you rule! :-)

Ditto.

31. JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head Posted: September 19, 2005 at 01:41 AM (#1626605)

Wow, that is a long-arse list! Anyone want to get the over/under for total names on the 2007 ballot? I'm thinking 103 :-)

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