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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Monday, October 24, 20051963 Results: Campanella and Irvin Get the Hall of Merit Certificate of Approval!In his first year of eligibility, Brooklyn Dodger great Roy Campanella lapped his competition with a studly 98% of all possible points to earn the top spot for induction into the Hall of Merit. In only his second year on the ballot, Newark Eagles and New York Giants star Monte Irvin achieved immortality by obtaining 61% of all possible points to win the second spot this “year.” Hopefully, Mr. Irvin will be pleased at the speed he was elected. :-) He also becomes the 22nd player to be inducted into the HoM that played the majority of his career in the Negro Leagues. Rounding out the top-ten were: Wes Ferrell, Red Ruffing, Joe Medwick, Eppa Rixey, Biz Mackey, Clark Griffith, George Van Haltren, and Cool Papa Bell . RK LY Player PTS Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 n/e Roy Campanella 1156 49 46 2 1 2 3 Monte Irvin 721 44 13 2 6 6 2 2 1 3 2 2 1 3 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 4 Wes Ferrell 417 30 4 4 4 1 1 4 2 1 1 2 4 1 1 4 5 Red Ruffing 401 27 4 2 1 3 2 8 1 3 1 1 1 5 6 Joe Medwick 400 31 2 4 2 4 1 3 3 1 4 3 3 1 6 7 Eppa Rixey 324 23 1 1 6 2 2 1 3 1 1 1 2 1 1 7 8 Biz Mackey 322 26 1 2 2 2 1 3 3 6 2 2 2 8 9 Clark Griffith 322 21 5 2 1 2 4 1 1 1 3 1 9 11 George Van Haltren 272 20 1 3 2 3 1 1 2 1 2 2 2 10 12 Cool Papa Bell 269 22 1 3 2 2 1 3 2 2 3 1 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 10 George Sisler 264 22 1 1 2 1 1 4 2 1 2 1 2 4 12 13 Jake Beckley 259 18 1 2 2 1 3 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 13 15 Cupid Childs 241 19 1 2 3 1 5 1 1 3 2 14 14 Hugh Duffy 221 18 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 2 1 15 18 Willard Brown 215 20 1 1 2 2 1 2 2 3 2 3 1 16 16 Pete Browning 210 16 2 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 1 2 17 20 Dobie Moore 201 14 1 3 2 2 2 1 1 2 18 19 Bobby Doerr 197 16 1 3 3 1 2 4 1 1 19 17 Cannonball Dick Redding 196 18 1 2 1 1 3 1 1 1 1 4 2 20 23 Mickey Welch 185 11 4 1 2 2 1 1 21 22 Joe Sewell 181 15 2 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 3 22 21 José Méndez 180 14 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 23 26 Joe Gordon 168 16 1 1 1 1 1 4 3 1 1 2 24 24 Ralph Kiner 165 15 1 2 2 4 2 2 2 25 28 Bucky Walters 149 11 2 2 1 4 1 1 26 25 Alejandro Oms 148 11 1 2 2 2 1 2 1 27 27 Charley Jones 136 10 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 1 28 29 Tommy Leach 117 9 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 29 32 Rube Waddell 116 10 1 1 1 1 1 3 1 1 30 31 Burleigh Grimes 115 9 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 31 30 Edd Roush 103 9 1 1 2 2 2 1 32 35 Quincy Trouppe 97 9 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 33 33 Larry Doyle 97 7 2 2 1 1 1 34 37 Roger Bresnahan 95 9 2 2 1 1 3 35 36 Wally Schang 89 7 1 1 2 1 1 1 36 38 Bob Elliott 87 9 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 37 34 Gavy Cravath 82 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 38 40T Bob Johnson 57 6 1 1 1 3 39 39 John McGraw 56 4 1 1 1 1 40 40T Tommy Bridges 52 5 1 2 1 1 41 46 Phil Rizzuto 51 6 1 1 2 2 42 44 Charlie Keller 47 4 2 1 1 43 42 Jimmy Ryan 46 5 1 1 1 2 44 45 Vern Stephens 41 3 1 1 1 45 47T Luke Easter 39 3 1 1 1 46 51 Ed Williamson 37 4 1 2 1 47 58 Dizzy Dean 37 3 1 1 1 48 47T Dizzy Trout 35 3 1 1 1 49 65T Frank Chance 34 4 1 3 50 49 Vic Willis 33 3 1 1 1 51T 50 Sam Rice 31 3 2 1 51T 56T Ben Taylor 31 3 1 1 1 53 53 Ernie Lombardi 29 2 1 1 54 52 Carl Mays 27 3 1 1 1 55 54T Chuck Klein 27 2 1 1 56T 54T Dutch Leonard 26 2 2 56T 43 Bill Monroe 26 2 1 1 58 56T Addie Joss 24 2 1 1 59 61 Bobo Newsom 18 2 2 60 59T Leroy Matlock 18 1 1 61T 62T Ed Cicotte 17 1 1 61T 62T Fielder Jones 17 1 1 61T 59T Pie Traynor 17 1 1 64T 65T Tommy Bond 16 1 1 64T 62T Johnny Pesky 16 1 1 64T 65T Bobby Veach 16 1 1 67 69 Dolf Luque 13 1 1 68 n/e Dom DiMaggio 12 2 2 69T 72T Fred Dunlap 10 1 1 69T 75 Sam Leever 10 1 1 71T n/e Artie Wilson 9 1 1 71T 70T Lefty Gomez 9 1 1 71T 70T Joe Tinker 9 1 1 74T 72T Bus Clarkson 8 1 1 74T 72T Hack Wilson 8 1 1 76T 68 George J. Burns 7 1 1 76T n/e George Scales 7 1 1 78 n/e Al Rosen 6 1 1 Ballots Cast: 49 John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 01, 2005 at 01:12 AM (#1713858)Average consensus score -4.6; best possible +11.
Howie Menckel: +6
dan b: +5
DanG: +4
andrew siegel: +3
Tiboreau: +3
Adam Schafer: +2
Chris Cobb: +2
...
Esteban Rivera: -5 (median)
...
Gadfly: -11
EricC: -11
Mark Donelson: -12
Dolf Lucky: -12
karlmagnus: -16
yest: -17
I was at -1: above median, but a little lower rank than usual, due to my low placement of Irvin.
HOTS (Players who received more than one vote and (re)entered the top ten, finished as the runnerup, or moved three or more slots)
-Wes Ferrell (+1), in line for next backlog election.
-Frank Chance (+16)
-Dizzy Dean (+11)
-Ben Taylor (+5)
-Phil Rizzuto (+5)
-Ed Williamson (+5)
-Willard Brown (+3)
-Dobie Moore (+3)
-Mickey Welch (+3)
-Rube Waddell (+3)
-Joe Gordon (+3)
-Walters (+3)
-Trouppe (+3)
-Bresnahan (+3)
-GVH (+2), re-entered the top ten.
-CPB (+2), re-entered the top ten.
NOTS
-George Sisler (-2), fell out of top ten.
-Bill Monroe (-13)
-Gavy Cravath (-3)
All-time 'vote points totals' leaders, through 1963. Active for 1964 vote in CAPS
Van Haltren likely has to wait until the 1965 results to claim the top spot
Jennings 16976
VAN HALTREN 16675.5
BECKLEY 16006
DUFFY 15828.5
GRIFFITH 15242
BROWNING 13799.5
Pike 13399
Thompson 12349
WADDELL 11978
CHILDS 11705
WELCH 11592
Bennett 11503
RYAN 10788.5
Caruthers 10704
Beckwith 9920
H Stovey 9576
RIXEY 8983
Start 8378.5
SISLER 8244
McGinnity 8232
Pearce 8073
McVey 7985.5
Grant 7969.5
BRESNAHAN 7900
TLEACH 7777
(C Jones 6954, Ferrell 6793, Sewell 6492, Monroe 5469, Redding 5099, Mendez 4967, Roush 4833, Doyle 4762, Williamson 4467, Mackey 4316, Ruffing 4108, Medwick 3918, CP Bell 3775)
A simple regression line through that data is has a slope of about -0.24 per year. That regression line is at -1.6 in 1963 and would extrapolate to -11.5 by 2005.
Note also that the number of candidates receiving votes continues to increase. It's a fair guess that the mean consensus score for 1964 will be down around -10. Reese may be immediately elected, but he is not a unifying candidate.
This pattern was destined to happen from the day Joe Domino got that twinkle in his eye.
True, but in-depth discussion can slow the erosion of consensus.
01/09/33/13/07
39/02/19/03/24
37/23/27/11/34
-- with 4/5/6/9/10/12/14/15 being left off my ballot.
I was the best friend of my top three (Campy/Griffith/Doyle).
That's a lot of people I'm leaving off the ballot now. Traditionally my consensus score hovers near the median (I've never been on either the top or bottom lists)
So you've probably got a career CS+ of 100? (CS+ = Relative Consensus Score)
Karlmagnus would have a CS+ of like 23. ; )
You wanna be that way about it?
Let's make that the average over a career (since 1921) of (consensus score) - (that year's mean score).
Of our 50 currently active voters, 29 have positive averages and 21 have negative averages. (And the average of all these averages is +0.1 - it doesn't have to be exactly zero because not everyone votes every year, and we have a number of inactive voters, some with very negative consensus scores.)
1. Howie Menckel +7.1
2. Tiboreau +6.7
3. jschmeagol +6.5
4. Chris Cobb +6.4
5. Andrew M +5.3
6. Chris J +5.2
...
12. OCF +3.6
...
15. David Foss +2.7
...
24. Joe Dimino +1.5
...
29. Mark Donelson +0.1
...
45. John Murphy -6.7
46. KJOK -6.8
47. EricC -7.4
48. karlmagnus -10.1
49. Gadfly -10.5
50. yest -12.0
In 1963, David Foss was at -6, slighly below the mean.
Thanks
Wow, I must once have been pretty high on the positive side because, as I understand it, my scores have been closer to Yest than to the median lately.
Ya think?
There is of course no way to verify.
:)
4.5% 9.5% 19.5% 29.5% 39.5%
1898 20 19 13 12 11
1899 21 17 15 14 9
1900 23 18 16 14 10
1901 21 17 15 13 11
1902 21 18 15 14 11
1903 21 18 15 13 11
1904 23 19 14 13 11
1905 24 19 14 12 11
1906 21 18 13 12 9
1907 23 19 15 11 10
1908 23 19 14 11 9
1909 26 21 15 12 9
1910 26 20 14 11 10
1911 26 20 15 11 8
1912 27 20 15 10 7
1913 28 23 17 11 6
1914 30 22 16 11 7
1915 27 21 17 12 6
1916 26 22 18 11 7
1917 27 22 18 11 7
1918 27 22 18 11 6
1919 28 20 18 10 9
1920 28 21 19 11 8
1921 28 25 18 11 7
1922 29 23 18 10 7
1923 30 23 13 10 7
1924 28 23 16 10 7
1925 30 26 17 11 9
1926 32 27 15 12 8
1927 33 27 16 11 8
1928 32 26 17 10 6
1929 31 25 18 11 6
1930 29 26 18 13 6
1931 32 28 18 13 6
1932 32 25 17 12 6
1933 34 23 17 9 3
1934 28 22 14 7 6
1935 32 22 15 7 6
1936 30 22 16 7 6
1937 33 25 17 7 4
1938 38 26 19 10 4
1939 38 28 18 11 4
1940 41 28 18 8 2
1941 36 28 15 5 3
1942 40 28 18 11 3
1943 33 24 15 6 4
1944 34 25 14 7 4
1945 35 29 15 9 4
1946 35 27 15 6 4
1947 35 25 15 6 5
1948 37 28 15 6 5
1949 38 29 14 5 4
1950 37 27 14 5 5
1951 38 28 15 7 4
1952 37 27 12 5 5
1953 38 23 12 6 5
1954 37 28 14 8 4
1955 39 28 14 7 4
1956 40 30 15 7 4
1957 39 29 13 7 4
1958 41 32 15 9 3
1959 40 28 12 5 2
1960 42 33 13 9 1
1961 42 33 17 7 1
1962 38 28 13 6 3
1963 39 30 13 5 2
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