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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Tuesday, November 15, 20051964 Results: Southern Boys Reese and Ferrell Add Two More Names to the Hall of Merit!In his first year of eligibility, Brooklyn Dodgers captain Pee Wee Reese easily nabbed the first spot for induction with 69% of all possible points. In his 21st year on a ballot, Cleveland and Boston pitching star Wes Ferrell earned the second spot for the election. His 40% of all possible points is one of the lowest in HoM history. Top-ten returnees include: Red Ruffing, Joe Medwick, Bob Lemon (his first year of eligibility, he looks poised for induction himself one of these years), Biz Mackey, Eppa Rixey, Clark Griffith, George Van Haltren, and George Sisler. RK LY Player PTS Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 n/e Pee Wee Reese 804 42 18 3 7 1 2 4 1 1 2 1 1 1 2 3 Wes Ferrell 466 31 3 4 1 3 4 2 4 1 2 4 1 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 4 Red Ruffing 439 28 3 3 1 4 3 4 1 1 2 2 1 2 1 4 5 Joe Medwick 423 30 2 4 1 3 3 1 1 5 1 3 3 3 5 n/e Bob Lemon 375 27 1 3 2 3 3 4 1 2 2 2 1 3 6 7 Biz Mackey 336 27 1 1 1 2 1 5 1 6 1 1 2 2 3 7 6 Eppa Rixey 316 22 1 3 3 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 8 8 Clark Griffith 288 19 1 4 2 3 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 9 9 George Van Haltren 286 19 2 2 2 1 4 1 2 1 1 1 2 10 11 George Sisler 283 23 1 2 2 2 2 4 2 2 1 3 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 10 Cool Papa Bell 273 22 1 2 1 1 2 1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 1 12 12 Jake Beckley 251 16 2 3 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 13 14 Hugh Duffy 245 19 1 2 3 3 1 2 3 1 1 2 14 13 Cupid Childs 243 19 2 1 1 1 3 4 1 2 1 1 1 1 15 19 Cannonball Dick Redding 240 18 1 1 1 1 1 3 2 2 1 3 2 16 16 Pete Browning 226 15 1 3 2 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 17 17 Dobie Moore 224 14 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 2 18 15 Willard Brown 222 19 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 2 3 1 19 18 Bobby Doerr 209 17 1 3 3 3 2 2 1 1 1 20 22 José Méndez 196 15 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1 3 1 21 21 Joe Sewell 191 16 2 2 1 1 3 1 2 1 1 2 22 20 Mickey Welch 182 10 3 1 2 1 1 1 1 23 27 Charley Jones 172 13 1 1 1 1 4 1 1 1 2 24 23 Joe Gordon 171 15 1 1 2 1 6 1 1 1 1 25 25 Bucky Walters 166 12 2 1 2 1 1 2 2 1 26 24 Ralph Kiner 163 14 2 3 1 2 4 1 1 27 26 Alejandro Oms 161 11 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 28 29 Rube Waddell 147 13 1 2 1 1 2 2 1 2 1 29 32 Quincy Trouppe 136 12 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 2 30 28 Tommy Leach 132 10 1 1 1 2 1 2 2 31 31 Edd Roush 115 11 1 1 1 3 1 1 2 1 32 30 Burleigh Grimes 107 8 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 33 35 Wally Schang 97 7 1 1 2 1 1 1 34 33 Larry Doyle 96 6 1 1 2 1 1 35 34 Roger Bresnahan 91 7 2 1 1 3 36 37 Gavy Cravath 86 7 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 37 36 Bob Elliott 79 7 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 38 40 Tommy Bridges 62 6 2 1 1 1 1 39 38 Bob Johnson 60 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 40 39 John McGraw 59 4 1 1 1 1 41 41 Phil Rizzuto 51 6 1 2 2 1 42 43 Jimmy Ryan 50 5 1 1 1 1 1 43 42 Charlie Keller 49 4 1 1 1 1 44 56T Bill Monroe 43 4 1 1 1 1 45 45 Luke Easter 43 3 1 1 1 46 46 Ed Williamson 42 4 1 2 1 47 48 Dizzy Trout 40 3 1 1 1 48 44 Vern Stephens 38 3 2 1 49 50 Vic Willis 37 3 1 1 1 50 49 Frank Chance 36 4 1 1 2 51 51T Ben Taylor 34 3 1 1 1 52T 47 Dizzy Dean 33 3 2 1 52T 51T Sam Rice 33 3 2 1 54 56T Dutch Leonard 32 3 2 1 55 53 Ernie Lombardi 30 2 1 1 56 54 Carl Mays 27 3 1 1 1 57 58 Addie Joss 26 2 1 1 58 55 Chuck Klein 24 2 1 1 59 64T Bobby Veach 23 2 1 1 60 60 Leroy Matlock 23 1 1 61 59 Bobo Newsom 19 2 1 1 62 61T Pie Traynor 18 1 1 63T 64T Tommy Bond 17 1 1 63T 61T Ed Cicotte 17 1 1 65 76T George J. Burns 16 2 1 1 66 61T Fielder Jones 16 1 1 67 n/e Virgil Trucks 14 1 1 68 64T Johnny Pesky 13 1 1 69 69T Sam Leever 11 1 1 70 69T Fred Dunlap 10 1 1 71T 71T Artie Wilson 9 1 1 71T 71T Joe Tinker 9 1 1 73T 74T Bus Clarkson 8 1 1 73T 71T Lefty Gomez 8 1 1 73T 74T Hack Wilson 8 1 1 76 78 Al Rosen 7 1 1 77T 68 Dom DiMaggio 6 1 1 77T n/e Dick Lundy 6 1 1 Dropped Out: Dolf Luque(67), George Scales(76T). Ballots Cast: 48
John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 15, 2005 at 01:05 AM (#1732002)Though I didn't have Wes on my ballot, I still think he was a worthy choice as a prime candidate.
Only the top 6 were on half of the ballots.
I would not be surprised to see Doby and Slaughter be elected next election because of the fragmentation of the ballot. Doby has a very good peak and prime by win shares plus NeL credit and War credit that should make him mid to bottom of the ballot worthy for most career voters. Slaughter has good peak/prime/career totals and his career totals will get a huge boost if you give War credit as he missed 3 seasons.
Just my 2 cents.
Oh, and when I saw the headline, I first thought of the HoF's mistaken induction of Rick in the 1980s.
I doubt it, Jon. He's probably annoyed that he wasn't elected in 1944 with 100% of all possible points. :-)
Seriously, he's in the HoM, so that's got to count for something.
(Removes tongue from cheek to say:) Just kidding. Ain't gonna happen after Dick basically told us all we were nuffin' but a worthless collection of morons for, as John says, not electing his boy immediately upon eligibility, do not pass go, do not collect $200. I really didn't think we would elect Wesley after that but we were able to separate Mr. Ferrell from his friends. Well, some of us were....
I believe it was "jonesy".
I think David Jones was the guy who led the charge against conservative early placement of Martin Dihigo to facilitate that first ballot induction. Smart guy and eloquent poster.
Congratulations to our inductees!
Kelly wrote:
Only the top 6 were on half of the ballots.
I think we're going to see about this number getting onto half the ballots for a while, unless we really do expand the ballot. When Rixey, Griffith, and Van Haltren edge up into the top 5, they'll do so partly because they pick up a handful of votes from folks who have them in the 16-20 range now.
I would not be surprised to see Doby and Slaughter be elected next election because of the fragmentation of the ballot. Doby has a very good peak and prime by win shares plus NeL credit and War credit that should make him mid to bottom of the ballot worthy for most career voters. Slaughter has good peak/prime/career totals and his career totals will get a huge boost if you give War credit as he missed 3 seasons.
Doby is a lock.
Slaughter is probable, though if he gets as much of a cold shoulder from the peak voters as Ruffing has, he might fall short.
I like 'em both for election in '65, and will probably have them at #1 and #2 respectively.
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5 1905 richardson
6 1918 flick
6 1932 foster
6 1939 faber
6 1942 terry
6 1961 averill
7 1964 ferrell
8 1960 jennings
9 1910 galvin
9 1916 stovey
9 1926 magee
9 1958 hack
You got the right guy, David.
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13 1940 pike (12x25)
13 1960 jennings (8x21)
10 1964 ferrell (7x17)
6 1939 carey (10x16)
8 1961 averill (6x14)
5 1932 foster (6x11)
5 1942 terry (6x11)
3 1939 faber (6x9)
2 1958 boudreau (11x13)
Van Haltren is poised to take over the top spot - one of his first voters in 1965 will do the trick! (good time for whomever has the Official tallies to check this handcrafted update for accuracy; it's been a few years)
Jennings 16976
VAN HALTREN 16961.5
BECKLEY 16257
DUFFY 16073.5
GRIFFITH 15530
BROWNING 14025.5
Pike 13399
Thompson 12349
WADDELL 12125
CHILDS 11948
WELCH 11774
Bennett 11503
RYAN 10838.5
Caruthers 10704
Beckwith 9920
H Stovey 9576
RIXEY 9299
SISLER 8527
Start 8378.5
McGinnity 8232
Pearce 8073
BRESNAHAN 7991
McVey 7985.5
Grant 7969.5
TLEACH 7909
(C Jones 7126, Sewell 6683, Monroe 5512, Redding 5339, Mendez 5163, Roush 4948, Doyle 4858, Mackey 4652,Ruffing 4547, Williamson 4509, Medwick 4341, CP Bell 4048)
You guys didn't say something bad about Bill Jackman, too, did ya?
No, we didn't say anything about Bill Jackman, which was probably just as bad.
Will Slaughter get demerits among the electorate for character issues for his perceived racial attitude?
He leads SABR's Deadball Era Cmte and must be in the bunker editing Deadball Stars of the American League. For a lot more info, some of it relevant, visit Deadball Era Resources.
Not from me. But I'm also one of the peak voters Chris mentioned, and I am likely to give him a slightly colder shoulder than the rest of the electorate, I think.
Same here, Mark, but I can understand others who may do so in '65.
BTW, Slaughter looks to be high on my ballot with the appropriate WWII credit. I should have him behind Doby (his peak and WWII/NeL credit is just too much for "Country").
where's mine I thought I'll have the lowest due to not having reese Feerral or Ruffing on my ballot
1984 Results: Southern Boys Reese and Ferrell Add Two More Names to the Hall of Fame!
Where do I fit in? I used to have a really high consensus score but i haven't been to high lately.
They got the wrong Ferrell, though. Still, its cool that those two quotes lined up like that.
I'll say. Great pickup, yest!
There's a fraudulent clothing line, thanks to Eric Williams of the Toronto Raptors, in honor of the Negro Basketball League, which ever existed. A recvent exchange of emails on the APBRA list brought the following, from noted baseball and basketball researcher and writer Claude Johnson:
I hope we're not witnessing the onset of a trend, but
with digital imaging, scarce historical awareness on
the part of the public and media, and $$$ to be made,
we could see more of this idiocy:
http://www.negrospaceprogram.com/
The photo is really that of a pitcher on whom my
e-colleague Dick Thompson of Bridgewater, Mass. is
writing a well-deserved biography- Cannonball Will
Jackman. The real Jackman, who died in 1972 not long
after the Commonwealth of Massachusetts declared a day
in his honor (Cooperstown has the documents), and the
Mayor of Boston presented him with a bust in Jackman's
likeness, pitched from 1925-1950 in New England for
teams such as the Philadelphia Giants, Boston Royal
Giants, East Douglas (teamed w/ Hank Greenberg there
in the old Blackstone River Valley League) and
Watertown Arsenal. He was also a Brooklyn Eagle for a
spell. Bill Yancey called him the best player he ever
saw, John McGraw said if he'd could sign him, his
biggest dilemma would be whether to have him pitch, or
play every day because of his bat, and Herb Finnegan
of the Boston Daily Traveler said he was in the class
of Grover Cl. Alexander and Walter Johnson. He was
fanning 25-year-olds former AAA players and collegians
in the Newport summer league when he was 48. Now he's
relegated to a phony space program website.
Let's get our speakers bureau up and at 'em soon. I
was just thinking last night I should create a master
list w/ Dean O and Dean L, Bob K, Mike G, Ray LeBov,
David in Dayton, Jim Healy, Claude, Keith E, John
Grasso, John Cristgau, Matt, Robert, and our other
"real" historians on it.
Otherwise, someone's gonna get rich, AND miseducate
some children.
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