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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Monday, April 03, 20061973 Results: The Hall of Merit Has a New “Chairman” and “Bell” Ringer!In his first year of eligibility, Yankee ace pitcher Whitey Ford earned 79% of all possible points to achieve immortality. After 26 years on the ballot, legendary Negro League speedster Cool Papa Bell finally did the trick in ‘73. With 37% of all possible points, Bell became the Hall of Merit’s 22nd Negro League inductee. Rounding out the top-ten were: Biz Mackey (bridesmaid once again!), George Sisler (big jump for Gorgeous George!), Willard Brown, Cannonball Dick Redding (cannonballs up a few notches!), Joe Gordon, José Méndez (first time in the top-ten!) , Minnie Minoso (another top-ten newbie!), and George Van Haltren. RK LY Player PTS Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 n/e Whitey Ford 968 47 22 5 10 1 4 2 1 1 1 2 5 Cool Papa Bell 451 30 2 5 5 2 2 1 2 4 3 3 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 4 Biz Mackey 402 31 1 1 1 3 3 2 7 2 2 2 5 1 1 4 8 George Sisler 397 30 1 1 2 3 2 4 1 3 3 6 1 2 1 5 6 Willard Brown 393 30 2 2 2 1 2 1 4 2 3 3 2 2 4 6 10 Cannonball Dick Redding 374 25 2 3 1 3 1 3 4 1 2 2 1 2 7 9 Joe Gordon 362 28 1 3 6 1 1 1 1 1 3 2 2 2 2 2 8 14 José Méndez 362 24 1 5 1 1 4 2 2 1 1 2 1 3 9 11 Minnie Minoso 355 31 2 2 1 5 1 3 4 3 4 2 4 10 7 George Van Haltren 332 23 2 3 2 1 2 2 1 4 4 1 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 16 Ralph Kiner 307 25 2 4 5 2 2 1 1 2 2 1 3 12 12 Dobie Moore 294 19 3 2 1 2 2 2 1 1 2 1 2 13 13 Jake Beckley 285 19 1 5 4 1 2 3 1 1 1 14 15 Hugh Duffy 276 18 1 3 4 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1 15 17T Joe Sewell 272 22 1 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 1 2 3 1 3 16 19 Pete Browning 252 17 2 2 2 1 1 3 2 2 2 17 20 Billy Pierce 251 21 2 2 4 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 18 17T Cupid Childs 231 17 1 1 1 1 2 1 3 2 2 1 1 1 19 21 Bucky Walters 218 17 2 1 2 1 3 2 1 1 1 2 1 20 25 Nellie Fox 204 17 1 1 1 5 2 2 1 2 2 21 22 Mickey Welch 196 13 2 1 1 1 3 2 2 1 22 23 Rube Waddell 193 15 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 23 27 Quincy Trouppe 191 15 1 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 1 24 26 Charley Jones 169 11 1 2 1 3 2 1 1 25 24 Tommy Leach 167 14 3 1 2 1 1 1 1 3 1 26 29T Alejandro Oms 154 13 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 2 1 27T 31 Roger Bresnahan 145 12 1 1 1 3 1 1 4 27T 29T Gavy Cravath 145 12 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 29 28 Edd Roush 145 9 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 30 35 Burleigh Grimes 132 12 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 2 2 31 34 Bob Johnson 128 11 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 32 32 Bob Elliott 119 11 2 2 1 1 2 2 1 33 33 Larry Doyle 108 7 1 1 1 2 2 34 36 Wally Schang 101 8 1 1 1 1 2 2 35 37 Charlie Keller 77 5 1 2 1 1 36 38 John McGraw 75 5 2 1 1 1 37 39 Dizzy Dean 65 7 2 3 1 1 38 44 Addie Joss 52 4 1 1 1 1 39 50T Tommy Bridges 51 5 1 1 2 1 40 40 Pie Traynor 49 4 1 2 1 41 42 Fielder Jones 45 3 1 1 1 42 47T Jimmy Ryan 44 4 1 2 1 43 46 Ben Taylor 42 3 1 1 1 44 53 Vic Willis 41 4 1 1 1 1 45T 58 Dutch Leonard 40 4 1 1 1 1 45T 57 Tony Mullane 40 4 1 1 1 1 47 41 Dizzy Trout 39 3 1 1 1 48T 45 Phil Rizzuto 37 3 1 1 1 48T 54 Vern Stephens 37 3 1 1 1 50 47T Bill Monroe 36 3 1 1 1 51 49 Ernie Lombardi 35 2 1 1 52 50T Frank Chance 34 3 1 1 1 53 55 Ed Williamson 32 3 1 1 1 54 56 Carl Mays 31 3 1 2 55 52 Chuck Klein 26 2 1 1 56T 60 Ed Cicotte 23 2 1 1 56T 59 Sam Rice 23 2 1 1 58T 63T Dom DiMaggio 22 2 1 1 58T 61 Gil Hodges 22 2 1 1 60 63T Fred Dunlap 21 2 1 1 61 62 Rabbit Maranville 19 2 1 1 62 76 Virgil Trucks 18 2 1 1 63 65 Johnny Pesky 18 1 1 64 43 Luke Easter 17 1 1 65 66 Lefty Gomez 16 2 1 1 66 69T Bobby Veach 14 1 1 67 68 Tommy Bond 13 1 1 68 n/e Al Rosen 12 2 2 69 69T Sam Leever 12 1 1 70T 72 Artie Wilson 11 1 1 70T 73T Bob Friend 11 1 1 70T 71 Red Schoendienst 11 1 1 73 73T Bus Clarkson 10 1 1 74T 73T Wilbur Cooper 9 1 1 74T 77T Herman Long 9 1 1 76 77T Spot Poles 8 1 1 77T 79T Dave Bancroft 7 1 1 77T n/e Wally Berger 7 1 1 77T 79T Hack Wilson 7 1 1 80 n/e Curt Simmons 6 1 1 Dropped Out: Tetelo Vargas(67), Mickey Vernon(79T). Ballots Cast: 51 John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: April 04, 2006 at 12:02 AM (#1935402)Can someone please explain this election? I know we have two new voters, but...
HOF-not-HOM through 1973
1. Bancroft, Dave
2. Beckley, Jake
3 Bender, Chief
4 Bresnahan, Roger
5 Chance, Frank
6 Chesbro, Jack
7 Clemente, Roberto**
8 Combs, Earle
9 Cuyler, Kiki
10 Dean, Dizzy
11 Duffy, Hugh
12 Evers, Johnny
13 Gomez, Lefty
14 Grimes, Burleigh
15 Hafey, Chick
16 Haines, Jesse
17 Hooper, Harry
18 Hoyt, Waite
19 Kelly, George
20 Manush, Heinie
21 Maranville, Rabbit
22 Marquard, Rube
23 McCarthy, Tommy
24 McGraw, John
25 Pennock, Herb
26 Rice, Sam
27 Roush, Edd
28 Schalk, Ray
29 Sisler, George
30 Tinker, Joe
31 Traynor, Pie
32 Waddell, Rube
33 Waner, Lloyd
34 Welch, Mickey
35 Youngs, Ross
And HOM not-HOF
1 Ashburn, Richie
2 Averill, Earl
3 Barnes, Ross
4 Beckwith, John
5 Bell, Cool Papa
6 Bennett, Charlie
7 Brown, Ray
8 Caruthers, Bob
9 Charleston, Oscar
10 Connor, Roger
11 Dahlen, Bill
12 Davis, George
13 Dihigo, Martin
14 Doby, Larry
15 Doerr, Bobby
16 Ferrell, Wes
17 Ford, Whitey
18 Foster, Rube
19 Foster, Willie
20 Glasscock, Jack
21 Gore, George
22 Grant, Frank
23 Groh, Heinie
24 Hack, Stan
25 Herman, Billy
26 Hill, Pete
27 Hines, Paul
28 Jackson, Joe*
29 Johnson, Home Run
30 Lemon, Bob
31 Lloyd, John Henry
32 Magee, Sherry
33 McPhee, Bid
34 McVey, Cal
35 Mize, Johnny
36 Newhouser, Hal
37 Pearce, Dickey
38 Pike, Lip
39 Richardson, Hardy
40 Reese, Pee Wee
41 Roberts, Robin
42 Rogan, Bullet Joe
43 Rusie, Amos
44 Santop, Louis
45 Sheckard, Jimmy
46 Slaughter, Enos
47 Snider, Duke
48 Start, Joe
49 Stearnes, Turkey
50 Stovey, Harry
51 Suttles, Mule
52 Sutton, Ezra
53 Thompson, Sam
54 Torriente, Cristobal
55 Vaughan, Arky
56 Wells, Willie
57 White, Deacon
58 Williams, Smokey Joe
59 Wilson, Jud
* not eligible for the HOF
** not eligible for the HoM until 1978.
Isn't this the second time that a backlogger jumped over Mackey, who was the heir apparent each time?
And yes, what's with Sisler, Redding, Mendez and Kiner up ?4 slots. That just doesn't happen in our top 10-15. And GVH down. I guess that's what you get for talkin' about the guy too much. The only guy that really moved up on my ballot was Waddell and he stayed basically where he was.
51 ballots cast, so not too many of the regulars didn't show up. If there were 2 new voters, then 2 no-shows, I guess.
It didn't matter that much in my system, but it seemed like some voters' last hesitation with Bell was his 'lack of peak.'
Yes, there is some truth to that in the actual arc of his career. But the MLEs, I believed, slightly overdid it. We are talking extraordinary career length, reputation, fielding, and baserunnng. There's a lot of other pluses here.
Maybe that bought him a couple of votes, I don't know.
The rest of the pt totals seem explainable enough except for Van Haltren's plunge.
That one, I don't know.
I was tempted to note the greater talk about Duffy, but Duffy didn't get a boost from that...
Returning from an approximate 20 year absence: Ardo. He put Mendez in an elect-me slot.
Missing voters; Gadfly, Tiboreau. Gadfly is a strong supporter of Brown, and puts Bell ahead of Mackey.
I juggled my ballot some, and moved Mendez up to an elect-me slot.
And it's all so close anyway: I had a single tallying error (since fixed) that made the difference for Mackey between 3rd place and 5th place. Every single vote counts.
Consensus scores: average -10.2; the lowest in 5 years, even with one easily elected candidate.
Chris Fluit: 0 (the new guy is an outlier on the high side)
Tom : -3
Pedro Feliz Navidad: -4
Howie Menckel: -4
Daryn: -4
Brent: -5
Rob Wood: -5
Ardo: -5
OCF: -5 (I'm up mostly because I wasn't voting for Doerr)
...
sunnyday2: -9 (median)
...
KJOK: -17
EricC: -17
Kelly in SD: -17
AJM: -19
karlmagnus: -20
Rick A: -20
Mark Donelson: -22
Dolf Lucky: -23
yest was all the way up at -2 - after all, it looks like we're about to elect Sisler.
Before the room got dark, in fact.
Heh.
Yup, but that still only accounts for half of Bell's lead.
That's the fifth highest total, passing the 21 candidates of 1964 but still behind 1958 (24), 1967 (25), 1961 (27) and the record-setting year of 1968 (28). The big 28 from '68 were: Ashburn, Beckley, Bell, Bresnahan, Brown, Browning, Childs, Cravath, Doerr, Doyle, Duffy, Gordon, Griffith, Grimes, Jones, Leach, Lombardi, Mackey, Mendez, Moore, Oms, Rixey, Roush, Schang, Sewell, Sisler, Van Haltren and Welch. Ashburn, Doerr, Griffith and Rixey have all been elected. Cravath, Doyle, Gordon, Leach and Oms are still eligible but couldn't pick up first place tallies this time around. Ford is the new guy, while Redding and Taylor had some top slots this time but not in 1968.
This vote was a tough one for Duffy and Beckley, whose ghosts had hoped to get Van Haltren out of the way soon and make a run at the all-time spot when the music stops next year. Instead, Van Haltren's slump gives him 'new life' on this board.
Mackey knocks HOM legend Dickey Pearce out of the all-time top 25, amazing to those who remember him as maybe the most-discussed candidate ever. Mackey will pass Start and McGinnity next year and build a little top-25 cushion even if he gets in the year after.
Bell came up short at 6968.
TOP 25, ALL-TIME
VAN HALTREN 19779.5
BECKLEY 18612
DUFFY 18186.5
Griffith 17924
Jennings 16976
BROWNING 16031.5
CHILDS 13945
WADDELL 13693
Pike 13399
WELCH 13364
Thompson 12349
Bennett 11503
SISLER 11334
RYAN 11145.5
Rixey 10826
Caruthers 10704
Beckwith 9896
H Stovey 9576
TLEACH 9138
BRESNAHAN 9115
SEWELL 8632
CJONES 8578
Start 8378.5
McGinnity 8232
MACKEY 8151
OTHERS IN THE TOP 25 ACTIVE
(Redding 7837, Mendez 7513, Roush 6070, Doyle 5848, Monroe 5832, Moore 5590, Williamson 4848, Cravath 4580, Grimes 4455, Schang 4145, WBrown 4073)
(Almost, McGraw 3980)
I've done well in the consensus voting generally but slipped off the leader board around the 1950s and 1960s.
Now I'm back, pretty much.
Not sure why.
I guess I'll finish overall pretty high, which doesn't shock me.
Last 7 Presidential elections, I voted 3 Dems, 3 Reps, and 1 Ind, and never voted for anyone twice.
And I've never belonged to a political party.
So perhaps it's safe to call me a moderate, lol.
In 1973 Bell was on 30 ballots, good for 451 pts (7 elect-me spots).
In 1972 Bell was on 25 ballots, good for 369 pts (5 elect-me spots, plus 3 close).
Bell gained 82 points. Figuring plus two points per 1972 ballot, plus 12 pts in elect-me pts, plus 30 points for new ballots, gives a 92 point gain, probably an overestimate. Pretty much as expected.
In 1973 Mackey was on 31 ballots, good for 402 pts (2 elect-me spots).
In 1972 Mackey was on 30 ballots, good for 383 pts (2 elect-me spots, plus 2 close).
Mackey gained 19 points. Figuring plus two points per 1972 ballot, plus 8 pts in elect-me pts, plus 6 points for new ballots, gives a 74 point gain, probably an overestimate. Nowhere like expected.
This should have been very close, but it wasn't. Voters moved Bell up as expected. They did not move Mackey up as expected. People are hesitating on pulling the trigger on Mackey.
Warren Spahn 316 83.16
Whitey Ford 255 67.11
Ralph Kiner 235 61.84
Gil Hodges 218 57.37
Robin Roberts 213 56.05
Bob Lemon 177 46.58
Johnny Mize 157 41.32
Enos Slaughter 145 38.16
Marty Marion 127 33.42
Pee Wee Reese 126 33.16
George Kell 114 30.00
Phil Rizzuto 111 29.21
Duke Snider 101 26.58
Red Schoendienst 96 25.26
Allie Reynolds 93 24.47
Hal Newhouser 79 20.79
Phil Cavarretta 73 19.21
Nellie Fox 73 19.21
Alvin Dark 53 13.95
Johnny Sain 47 12.37
Dom DiMaggio 43 11.32
Bobo Newsom 33 8.68
Richie Ashburn 25 6.58
Mickey Vernon 23 6.05
Ted Kluszewski 14 3.68
Lew Burdette 12 3.16
Don Newcombe 11 2.89
Vern Law 9 2.37
Walker Cooper 8 2.11
Dick Groat 7 1.84
Vic Raschi 7 1.84
Dutch Leonard 6 1.58
Roy McMillan 5 1.32
Bobby Shantz 5 1.32
Curt Simmons 5 1.32
Carl Erskine 4 1.05
Billy Pierce 4 1.05
Harry Brecheen 3 0.79
Bobby Thomson 3 0.79
Gil McDougald 2 0.53
Bobby Richardson 2 0.53
Vic Wertz 2 0.53
Smoky Burgess 1 0.26
Harvey Haddix 1 0.26
Larry Doby 0 0.00
This was the first year of eligibility for Spahn, Roberts, and Ford.
Minnie Minoso, on the other hand, I'm having a few problems with. What am I missing here? I see them as incredibly similar.
I'm almost never mentioned either. I think I made the low list once in the Slaughter election, and I got really lucky and hit the median once.
Mundane is not really a good word (at least *I* don't think so. :-)) If I think of the electorate as a Normal Distribution, then its the high-consensus guys at the top of the curve crowding, and its the low-consensus guys on the tails of the curve. Us? We're the ones halfway down the slope on either side. We're the ones who provide the shape of the curve! That's us! Be proud, man! :-)
Minnie Minoso, on the other hand, I'm having a few problems with. What am I missing here? I see them as incredibly similar.
I'm with you Trevor on the Minoso argument. Though I didn't really see the chasm between Medwick and Bob Johnson as much as the electorate during the time both were on the ballot.
The late arrival and early exit at the major league level of BJ is his shortcoming. Think about it - he spends 3 1/2 years in the PCL before joining the A's. How many other players have done that who later performed at his level? People like Earl Averill and Wally Berger I guess. But no mid-season sale to a ML club, just stay out West there.
I'm also a rare one who rates Johnson over Willard Brown. I get the sense the numbers for Indian Bob would show a better distribution of OBP to SLG in comparison to Brown, who walked just enough to stay effective.
Brown has other factors to consider - the KC Monarch teams were very successful during his time there. Did he have one of those NY Yankee factors - advantages for not having to face your own team? What was the Negro League competition distribution at this time? Also nagging me is the fact that you read Brown didn't really put forth the effort with the glove unless he was in the mood. It's the kind of thing that just kinda sticks in the back of my mind.
That being said, Brown wouldn't be a terrible choice. I just have others who I'd have in first.
Ford and Pierce were a little further apart on the ballot than I think they should be but there weren't any MLB pitchers between them.
That said, in proper time context, Colavito is a better HoM candidate than Bob Johnson.
Pitchers
*Jose Mendez - getting closer, looks likely for HOM induction
Mickey Welch - steady, though not growing support
Rube Waddell - similar support as Welch
Burleigh Grimes - a little less steady than Welch/Waddell
Vic Willis - nope
Addie Joss - He's got his small following
Candy Cummings - not even if he invented electric lights
Jack Chesbro - Yes . . . well, never mind.
Chief Bender - Never even received a vote
Jesse Haines - Frankie would not be proud.
Waite Hoyt - I don't think he's gotten a vote.
Dizzy Dean - Small following, never cracked 100 points in an election.
Hilton Smith - Will new stats bring votes in time?
Leon Day - Also could be boosted by new stats.
Rube Marquard - Nary a vote
Herb Pennock - Ditto, no votes
Andy Cooper - Really could be boosted by new stats.
Lefty Gomez - Has a very small following
Catchers
*Biz Mackey - Very close
Roger Bresnahan - Loyal group of advocates, but not enough
Ernie Lombardi - karl likes him
Rick Ferrell - Hey, we elected Wes.
Ray Schalk - yest calls him the greatest catcher (read fielding catcher) ever
First Basemen
*George Sisler - Soon will no longer be a candidate for most surprising omission
*Jake Beckley - karl really likes him, may end up just short
Frank Chance - Few supporters left
Ben Taylor - New data may boost him too.
Jim Bottomley - Never received a vote
George Kelly - Look ma, no votes!
Nellie Fox - Probably not, but could be close
Larry Doyle - Has some loyal fans
Red Schoendienst - Nope
Tony Lazzeri - Could get a boost if Doyle moves up
Johnny Evers - Not really
Sol White - Probably a HOFer as a pioneer
Third Basemen
John McGraw - A few fans
Pie Traynor - Very few fans
Ray Dandridge - Apparently not much of a hitter
Judy Johnson - See Dandridge, Ray
George Kell - Probably a nice guy
Shortstop
Joe Sewell - Support not enough
Phil Rizzuto - Some fane
Joe Tinker - So we don't like poetry
Dave Bancroft - One fan last year
Rabbit Maranville - Has seen a slight resurgence to 2 voters
Travis Jackson - Bill Terry might not like us either
*Ralph Kiner - It looks like he has momentum
Heinie Manush - Not a vote
Chick Hafey - What is with you guys? - Frankie Frisch
Center Fielders
Hugh Duffy - May be the all-time leader when we are through
Edd Roush - Not sure about league quality
Hack Wilson - karl likes him
Lloyd Waner - We elected Paul
Earle Combs - Has a nice headstone
Right Fielders
*Willard Brown - close
Harry Hooper - The old and the peakless
Sam Rice - See Hooper, Harry
Chuck Klein - No votes anymore
Kiki Cuyler - Didn't impress us
Ross Youngs - We have no respect for the dead
Tommy McCarthy - He's in the Hall of Fame?
And I am one of them, but Larry is not in Cooperstown.
I'm not sure what you mean by "proper time context." Going by WARP3, Johnson outscores Colavito 91.6 to 74.1. Even if you took ten percent off Johnson's entire career, he'd still be ahead.
Johnson also has a six point advantage in OPS+, and achieved that in 500 more PA that Colavito (and that's not taking into account that Johnson never played 162-game seasons).
I admit that I don't have the Win Share data with me right now, however.
14. Tony Danza -- Also known as Tony Miceli, Danza spent the better part of four years in the Cardinals minor league system as a shortstop and secondbaseman. If it had not been for the anti-bad actor sentiment of that era, Danza surely would have mirrored the career of Nellie Fox.
Can someone please explain this election? I know we have two new voters, but...
sunny
And yes, what's with Sisler, Redding, Mendez and Kiner up ?4 slots. That just doesn't happen in our top 10-15. And GVH down. I guess that's what you get for talkin' about the guy too much.
Not merely talkin' about 'im but
(1) The primary theses advanced seem to be (a) GVH not much better than Ryan and (b) Duffy better than GVH.
(2) The defense of GVH by Chris Cobb et al amounts to sharp disagreement on (b) but there seems to be near consensus on (a).
HoMers in bold
all HoFers with significant playing careers are included
1936
Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson
1937
Nap Lajoie, Tris Speaker, Cy Young , Connie Mack, John McGraw, George Wright
1938
Pete Alexander
1939
George Sisler, Eddie Collins , Willie Keeler , Lou Gehrig, Cap Anson , Charlie Comiskey , Candy Cummings , Buck Ewing , Charles Radbourn , Al Spalding
1942
Rogers Hornsby
1945
Roger Bresnahan , Dan Brouthers , Fred Clarke , Jimmy Collins , Ed Delahanty , Hugh Duffy , Hughie Jennings , King Kelly , Jim O’Rourke , Wilbert Robinson
1946
Jesse Burkett , Frank Chance , Jack Chesbro , Johnny Evers , , Clark Griffith, , Tommy McCarthy , Joe McGinnity , Eddie Plank , Joe Tinker , Rube Waddell , Ed Walsh
1947
Carl Hubbell , Frankie Frisch , Mickey Cochrane , Lefty Grove
1948
Herb Pennock , Pie Traynor
1949
Charlie Gehringer , Mordecai Brown , Kid Nichols
1951
Mel Ott , Jimmie Foxx
1952
Harry Heilmann , Paul Waner
1953
Al Simmons , Dizzy Dean , Chief Bender , Bobby Wallace , Harry Wright
1954
Rabbit Maranville , Bill Dickey , Bill Terry
1955
Joe DiMaggio , Ted Lyons , Dazzy Vance , Gabby Hartnett , Frank Baker , Ray Schalk
1956
Hank Greenberg , Joe Cronin
1957
Sam Crawford
1959
Zack Wheat
1961
Max Carey , Billy Hamilton
1962
Bob Feller , Jackie Robinson , Bill McKechnie , Edd Roush
1963
John Clarkson , Elmer Flick , Sam Rice , Eppa Rixey
1964
Luke Appling , Red Faber , Burleigh Grimes , Miller Huggins , Tim Keefe , Heinie Manush , Monte Ward
1965
Pud Galvin
1966
Ted Williams , Casey Stengel
1967
Red Ruffing , Lloyd Waner
1968
Joe Medwick , Kiki Cuyler , Goose Goslin
1969
Stan Musial Roy Campanella , Stan Coveleski , , Waite Hoyt,
1970
Lou Boudreau , Earle Combs , Jesse Haines,
1971
Dave Bancroft , Jake Beckley , Chick Hafey , Harry Hooper , Joe Kelley , Rube Marquard , Satchel Paige
1972
Sandy Koufax Yogi Berra ,Early Wynn, Lefty Gomez , Ross Youngs , Josh Gibson , Buck Leonard
1973
Warren Spahn , George Kelly , Mickey Welch , Monte Irvin
1974
Whitey Ford , Jim Bottomley , Sam Thompson , Cool Papa Bell
1975
Ralph Kiner , Earl Averill , Bucky Harris , Billy Herman , Judy Johnson
1976
Robin Roberts Bob Lemon , Roger Connor , Freddy Lindstrom , Oscar Charleston
1977
Amos Rusie , Joe Sewell , Al Lopez , Martin Dihigo , Pop Lloyd
1978
Addie Joss
1979
Hack Wilson
1980
Duke Snider, Chuck Klein
1981
Johnny Mize , Rube Foster
1982
Travis Jackson
1983
George Kell
1984
Rick Ferrell , Pee Wee Reese
1985
Enos Slaughter , Arky Vaughan
1986
Bobby Doerr, Ernie Lombardi
1987
Ray Dandridge
1989
Red Schoendienst
1991
Tony Lazzeri
1992
Hal Newhouser
1994
Leo Durocher , Phil Rizzuto
1995
Leon Day , Vic Willis , Richie Ashburn
1996
Bill Foster , Ned Hanlon
1997
Nellie Fox, Willie Wells
1998
George Davis , Larry Doby , Joe Rogan
1999
Joe Williams
2000
Bid McPhee , Turkey Stearnes
2001
Hilton Smith
2006
Ray Brown, Willard Brown, Andy Cooper, Biz Mackey, Mule Suttles, Cristobal Torriente, Jud Wilson, Frank Grant, Pete Hill, Jose Mendez Louis Santop, Ben Taylor, Sol White
1 Ashburn, Richie
2 Averill, Earl
3 Barnes, Ross
4 Beckwith, John
5 Bell, Cool Papa
never expected to see that
or this
yest was all the way up at -12 - after all, it looks like we're about to elect Sisler.
> both at a round number (100 points)
> and at a gap in support (#34 Schang more than 30% ahead of #35 Keller).
You'd lose I think 40% of my ballot if you did this, so maybe not!
It's a good year for those who would analyse a set of incumbents defined
both by a round number (100 points)
and by a gap in support (#34 Schang is more than 30% ahead of #35 Keller).
For example, recall Chris Cobb's observation that the group deliberates over few recent mlb players; they tend to be quickly elected or quickly dismissed. Here are the recent mlb'ers in the defined set of 32 leading incumbents (not to say viable):
Gordon
Minoso
Kiner
Pierce
Walters
Fox
Johnson
Elliott
Given that a few years spent outside mlb are crucial in the assessment of both Gordon and Minoso, that observation looks very good now.
I should be fully caught up by early next week. Please don't hesitiate to email me if there is something urgent that needs my attention.
And of course, many thanks again to John, who keeps the well-oiled machine ticking without missing a beat.
60 Griffith
53 Jennings
43 Pike
34 Pearce
32 Caruthers
30 Rixey
28 Thompson
26 Bell
23 Bennett
21 Ferrell
Lowest Ranked Player Eventually Elected:
Dickey Pearce, 1898-1909, low: 31st in 1898, elected in 1931
Bob Caruthers, 1910-1913, low: 20th in 1911 and 1912, elected in 1930
Clark Griffith, 1914-1923, low: 22nd in 1923, elected in 1971
Rube Foster, 1924-1927, low: 23rd in 1924 and 1925, elected in 1932
Hughie Jennings, 1928-1934, low: 17th in 1928, elected in 1960
Clark Griffith, 1935-1938, low: 13th in 1936
John Beckwith, 1939-1940, low: 14th in 1939, elected in 1957
Hughie Jennings, 1941-1944, low: 12th in 1943 and 1944
Wes Ferrell, 1945, 7th, elected in 1964
Hughie Jennings, 1946-1947, 9th in both years
Cool Papa Bell, 1948-1951, low: 17th in 1948, elected in 1973
Clark Griffith, 1952, 12th
Cool Papa Bell, 1953-1956, low: 17th in 1954
Bobby Doerr, 1957-1970, low: 24th in 1957, elected in 1972
Cool Papa Bell, 1971-1972, low: 6th in 1971
Highest Ranked Player Not Yet Elected:
Ed Williamson, 1898, 10th
Pete Browning, 1899-1906, high: 10th in 1906
Cupid Childs, 1907, 11th
Hugh Duffy, 1908, 10th
Jimmy Ryan, 1909, 8th
Hugh Duffy, 1910-1915, high: 5th in 1913
Rube Waddell, 1916-1922, high: 10th in 1918, 1919 and 1921
Jake Beckley, 1923-1924, high: 13th in 1924
George Van Haltren, 1925, 12th
Jake Beckley, 1926-1929, high: 7th in 1929
George Van Haltren, 1930-1933, high: 3rd in 1931 and 1932
Jake Beckley, 1934-1938, high: 6th in 1938
Joe Sewell, 1939-1942, high: 3rd in 1940
Jake Beckley, 1943, 8th
George Van Haltren, 1944, 9th
Joe Sewell, 1945, 8th
George Sisler, 1946, 10th
Jake Beckley, 1947, 11th
George Sisler, 1948, 9th
Biz Mackey, 1949-1973, high 3rd in 1968, 1971 and 9173
Ah, we think alike ;-)
Good stuff, Chris.
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