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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Monday, November 27, 20061990 Results: Backloggers Eat the Dust of Morgan, Palmer, and Jenkins!In his first year of eligibility, legendary second baseman Joe Morgan easily won the top spot for Hall of Merit immortality with 99% of all possible points. He was the #1 choice on 55 of the 56 ballots cast and now has the second most vote points ever with 1,336 (Hank Aaron is #1 with 1,344). Ace Oriole hurler and new candidate himself Jim Palmer earned a hefty 89% of all possible points. Last but not least, star pitcher Fergie Jenkins picked up an impressive 83% of all possible points to claim the third spot for induction this “year.” He also becomes the first Canadian player to be so honored. Rounding out the top-ten were: Ken Boyer, Jimmy Wynn, Nellie Fox, Dobie Moore, Pete Browning, Charlie Keller (first time in the top-ten!), and Edd Roush. This election tied the record set in 1934 and 1982 with the most voters casting a ballot with 56. RK LY Player PTS Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 n/e Joe Morgan 1336 56 55 1 2 n/e Jim Palmer 1203 56 1 31 15 4 3 1 1 3 4 Fergie Jenkins 1116 55 13 27 6 3 2 2 1 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 5 Ken Boyer 365 33 2 2 4 1 3 2 1 5 4 5 1 3 5 6 Jimmy Wynn 341 29 1 2 2 3 2 3 2 3 3 1 1 1 5 6 7 Nellie Fox 332 26 1 2 3 3 3 5 1 3 2 2 1 7 8 Dobie Moore 314 22 1 3 2 2 3 1 2 1 3 2 1 1 8 10 Pete Browning 291 22 1 2 4 3 2 2 3 3 2 9 15 Charlie Keller 288 20 3 1 3 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 10 9 Edd Roush 286 23 2 5 5 2 1 2 1 1 3 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 14 Quincy Trouppe 279 23 1 1 4 1 2 1 5 1 4 1 2 12 12 Jake Beckley 273 21 1 1 3 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 3 2 1 13 11 Charley Jones 265 17 1 2 1 4 3 1 1 1 3 14 13 Cannonball Dick Redding 250 20 4 1 2 4 1 2 2 2 1 1 15 16 Bucky Walters 241 20 4 3 1 3 3 1 2 1 1 1 16 17 Hugh Duffy 202 16 1 1 3 5 3 2 1 17 19 Bob Johnson 195 16 2 1 3 2 1 2 1 1 3 18 18 Gavvy Cravath 191 19 2 3 2 1 2 2 4 3 19 21 George Van Haltren 178 14 1 3 1 4 1 2 1 1 20 24 Roger Bresnahan 168 14 1 2 3 2 1 2 1 2 21 20 Alejandro Oms 165 15 1 1 1 3 1 2 2 1 3 22 23 Tommy Leach 161 14 5 1 3 1 2 2 23 22 Orlando Cepeda 155 14 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 24 25 Burleigh Grimes 143 11 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 25 28 Dizzy Dean 125 10 2 1 1 1 1 1 3 26 29 Lou Brock 124 10 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 27 30 Luis Tiant 116 13 1 1 4 2 1 4 28 26 Norm Cash 113 10 1 1 1 1 1 1 4 29 27 Mickey Welch 103 8 1 2 1 1 2 1 30 32 Bobby Bonds 98 9 1 3 1 2 1 1 31 31 Larry Doyle 98 7 2 2 2 1 32 n/e Ken Singleton 93 10 1 1 1 2 4 1 33 36 Vic Willis 86 9 2 1 1 2 1 2 34 38T Reggie Smith 80 8 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 35 33 Tommy Bridges 79 7 2 3 2 36T 51T Dave Bancroft 71 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 36T 34 Carl Mays 71 6 3 1 1 1 38 45T Addie Joss 68 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 39 37 Ben Taylor 67 6 2 1 1 2 40 42T Pie Traynor 66 5 1 1 1 1 1 41 47T Bob Elliott 62 7 1 1 1 2 1 1 42 44 Chuck Klein 62 6 1 1 2 1 1 43 40 Elston Howard 61 6 1 1 3 1 44T 41 Phil Rizzuto 60 5 1 1 1 1 1 44T 35 Wally Schang 60 5 1 1 1 1 1 46 42T John McGraw 59 4 2 1 1 47 53 Jimmy Ryan 53 6 1 1 1 3 48 47T Vern Stephens 51 5 1 1 3 49 38T Thurman Munson 51 4 1 1 1 1 50 50 Sal Bando 50 6 2 2 2 51 45T Al Rosen 49 4 1 1 2 52 55 Frank Howard 47 5 1 2 1 1 53 51T Bill Monroe 43 4 1 2 1 54 49 Tony Oliva 42 3 1 1 1 55 54 Ed Williamson 36 3 1 1 1 56T 58T Jim Kaat 34 3 1 1 1 56T 60 Ernie Lombardi 34 3 1 2 58 65 Bobby Veach 30 4 2 2 59 58T Ed Cicotte 30 2 2 60T 62T Frank Chance 29 3 1 1 1 60T 57 Gene Tenace 29 3 1 1 1 62 56 Sam Rice 28 3 1 1 1 63 61 Dizzy Trout 26 2 1 1 64 67 Rabbit Maranville 23 3 1 1 1 65T 62T Luis Aparicio 23 2 1 1 65T 62T Lefty Gomez 23 2 1 1 67T 66 Don Newcombe 21 2 1 1 67T 70T Urban Shocker 21 2 1 1 69 77T Tony Mullane 18 2 1 1 70 69 George J. Burns 16 2 2 71 68 Jack Quinn 16 1 1 72 70T Bill Mazeroski 15 2 1 1 73T 70T Wilbur Cooper 14 1 1 73T 70T Sparky Lyle 14 1 1 75T 70T Fielder Jones 13 1 1 75T 75T Dutch Leonard 13 1 1 75T 75T Cecil Travis 13 1 1 78 n/e Bus Clarkson 12 2 2 79T 77T Artie Wilson 12 1 1 79T 77T Sam Leever 12 1 1 79T 77T Mickey Vernon 12 1 1 82T 82T Hack Wilson 10 1 1 82T 82T Tony Lazzeri 10 1 1 82T 82T Virgil Trucks 10 1 1 85T 85 Kiki Cuyler 9 1 1 85T 81 Fred Dunlap 9 1 1 87 86T Herman Long 7 1 1 88T n/e Jim Fregosi 6 1 1 88T n/e George Kell 6 1 1 88T n/e Bobby Murcer 6 1 1 88T 86T Sol White 6 1 1 Ballots Cast: 56 John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 28, 2006 at 01:10 AM (#2246946)Nice to see Joe with the second most votes. Almost makes up for his lack of unanimity.
HOF-not-HOM through 1990
1 Aparicio, Luis
2. Bancroft, Dave
3. Beckley, Jake
4 Bender, Chief
5 Bottomley, Jim
6 Bresnahan, Roger
7 Brock, Lou
8 Chance, Frank
9 Chesbro, Jack
10 Combs, Earle
11 Cuyler, Kiki
12 Dandridge, Ray
13 Dean, Dizzy
14 Duffy, Hugh
15 Evers, Johnny
16 Ferrell, Rick
17 Gomez, Lefty
18 Grimes, Burleigh
19 Hafey, Chick
20 Haines, Jesse
21 Hooper, Harry
22 Hoyt, Waite
23 Hunter, Catfish
24 Jackson, Travis
25 Johnson, Judy
26 Joss, Addie
27 Kell, George
28 Kelly, George
29 Klein, Chuck
30 Lindstrom, Freddie
31 Lombardi, Ernie
32 Manush, Heinie
33 Maranville, Rabbit
34 Marquard, Rube
35 McCarthy, Tommy
36 McGraw, John
37 Pennock, Herb
38 Rice, Sam
39 Roush, Edd
40 Schalk, Ray
41 Schoendienst, Red
42 Tinker, Joe
43 Traynor, Pie
44 Waner, Lloyd
45 Welch, Mickey
46 Wilson, Hack
47 Youngs, Ross
HOM-not-HOF
1 Allen, Dick
2 Ashburn, Richie
3 Barnes, Ross
4 Beckwith, John
5 Bennett, Charlie
6 Brown, Ray
7 Brown, Willard
8 Bunning, Jim
9 Caruthers, Bob
10 Childs, Cupid
11 Dahlen, Bill
12 Davis, George
13 Doby, Larry
14 Ferrell, Wes
15 Foster, Willie
16 Freehan, Bill
17 Glasscock, Jack
18 Gordon, Joe
19 Gore, George
20 Grant, Frank
21 Groh, Heinie
22 Hack, Stan
23 Hill, Pete
24 Hines, Paul
25 Jackson, Joe*
26 Jenkins, Fergie
27 Johnson, Home Run
28 Mackey. Biz
29 Magee, Sherry
30 McPhee, Bid
31 McVey, Cal
32 Méndez, José
33 Minoso, Minnie
34 Newhouser, Hal
35 Pearce, Dickey
36 Perry, Gaylord
37 Pierce, Billy
38 Pike, Lip
39 Richardson, Hardy
40 Rogan, Bullet Joe
41 Santo, Ron
42 Santop, Louis
43 Sheckard, Jimmy
44 Start, Joe
45 Stearnes, Turkey
46 Stovey, Harry
47 Suttles, Mule
48 Sutton, Ezra
49 Torre, Joe
50 Torriente, Cristobal
51 Wells, Willie
52 White, Deacon
53 Williams, Smokey Joe
54 Wilson, Jud
* not eligible for the HOF
Go read the ballot thread, where this was discussed at some length.
-- MWE
New voters: Craig K, rdfc.
Average consensus score: +4.3
Highest possible consensus score: +17
Howie Menckel: +11
Jim Sp: +10
Esteban Rivera: +10
mulder & scully: +10
Andrew M: +10
Rob Wood: +9
Devin McCullen: +9
AJM: +9
Sean Gilman: +9
...
dan b: +5
OCF: +5 (medians)
...
Daryn: +1
Joe Dimino: +1
Rick A: +1
Rusty Priske: +1
John Murphy: 0
KJOK: 0
rdfc: -1
EricC: -2
'zop: -2
karlmagnus: -2
Adam Schafer: -3
fra paolo: -5 (Jenkins not on ballot)
Mark Donelson: -6 (Jenkins 5, Palmer 8)
yest: -10 (Morgan 5, Jenkins 12)
:)
Sorry to see that karl is slipping also.
Voter Years Total Rate
Howie Menckel 70 +471 +6.7
Chris Cobb 70 +358 +5.1
TomH 70 +322 +4.6
andrew siegel 70 +299 +4.3
Mark S (jschmeagol) 56 +253 +4.5
favre 67 +253 +3.8
Devin McCullen 70 +252 +3.6
Dan G 69 +243 +3.5
Tiboreau 44 +239 +5.4
OCF 70 +236 +3.4
Andrew M 55 +232 +4.2
Pedro Feliz Navidad 70 +190 +2.7
dan b 70 +176 +2.5
Esteban Rivera 70 +170 +2.4
Rusty Priske 70 +157 +2.2
Rob Wood 70 +153 +2.2
Ardo 26 +146 +5.6
Ken Fischer 63 +137 +2.2
Brad G 44 +135 +3.1
Chris J (dag nabbit) 23 +120 +5.2
SWW 56 +115 +2.1
Adam Schafer 68 +109 +1.6
Trevor P 39 +104 +2.7
Sean Gilman 70 +90 +1.3
Get Melky! 10 +84 +8.4
David Foss 68 +82 +1.2
Philip 23 +79 +3.4
Al Peterson 70 +78 +1.1
Carl G (Goetz) 15 +63 +4.2
Chris Fluit 18 +62 +3.4
RMc 7 +53 +7.5
Daryn 70 +52 +0.7
Michael Bass 53 +45 +0.8
Juan V 9 +43 +4.7
ronw (Ron Wargo) 70 +38 +0.5
AJM 23 +37 +1.6
James Newburg 19 +30 +1.6
Buddha 13 +29 +2.3
Sean M 5 +25 +4.9
Lennox HC 2 +18 +8.9
DL from MN 23 +17 +0.7
Tom D 3 +10 +3.2
TheGoodSamaritan 13 +8 +0.7
Dan Rosenheck 15 +6 +0.4
Bryce B (Tanketra) 4 +4 +0.9
Eric Enders 5 +2 +0.5
stephen 5 +1 +0.3
Craig K 1 +1 +1.2
Brad Harris 9 +1 +0.1
caspian88 3 0 -0.1
Craig B 2 -3 -1.4
Bleacher 2 -3 -1.6
rdfc 1 -5 -5.3
mdb1mdb1 (Martin) 25 -7 -0.3
Michael D 14 -7 -0.5
Zapatero 2 -8 -3.8
Brent 60 -8 -0.1
Thane of Bagarth 59 -10 -0.2
Yardape 6 -10 -1.7
Casey Elston 1 -11 -11.3
Joe Dimino 69 -13 -0.2
Clint 2 -51 -10.4
'zop 11 -23 -2.1
fra paolo 10 -25 -2.5
David C. Jones 10 -26 -2.6
Brian H 14 -30 -2.1
rawagman 19 -32 -1.7
Seaver 1969 3 -32 -10.7
Mike Webber 47 -43 -0.9
Vaux 7 -77 -11.0
Max Parkinson 53 -78 -1.5
Jeff M 70 -85 -1.2
rico vanian 13 -97 -7.5
Patrick W 68 -98 -1.4
PhillyBooster 44 -100 -2.3
jhwinfrey 27 -108 -4.0
Eric Chalek 61 -108 -1.8
robc 24 -112 -4.7
Mark Donelson 33 -112 -3.4
Rick A 70 -161 -2.3
Guapo 16 -192 -12.0
jimd 70 -200 -2.9
Jim Sp 70 -208 -3.0
sunnyday2 (marc) 67 -221 -3.3
Gadfly 27 -258 -9.6
mulder & scully 56 -262 -4.7
Dolf Lucky (Mark) 54 -294 -5.4
John Murphy 70 -360 -5.1
EricC 70 -464 -6.6
KJOK 69 -501 -7.3
karlmagnus 70 -669 -9.6
yest 67 -743 -11.1
Sorry if that sounds stupid.
As for Raoul Duke, I hope you wouldn't join and participate just to advocate for Goose Gossage. "Single issue politics."
Ok, not really.
But since y'all love my picks so much (;), how 'bout taking another look at Bob Elliott, my main outlier on my ballot? Let's boost my consensus score even more!
all-time 'votes points' thru 1990 - those still eligible in 1991 election are in CAPS. electees not in caps.
TOP 25, ALL-TIME
VAN HALTREN 23512.5
BECKLEY 23512
DUFFY 22813.5
BROWNING 20003.5
Childs 18484
Griffith 17924
Waddell 17596
Jennings 16976
WELCH 16020
Sisler 13892
Pike 13399
REDDING 12849
Sewell 12769
Mendez 12555
CJONES 12540
Thompson 12349
RYAN 12022.5
BRESNAHAN 11765
TLEACH 11752
Bennett 11503
Rixey 10789
Caruthers 10704
MOORE 10517
Beckwith 9896
ROUSH 9699
OTHERS IN THE TOP 25 ACTIVE
(Doyle 7555, Cravath 7534, Grimes 6779, Walters 6619, Monroe 6564, Trouppe 5715, Schang 5584, Williamson 5478, McGraw 5211, Fox 5175, Oms 5039, Boyer 4736, BJohnson 4614)
not quite
(Keller 4342)
PHoMers
1. Jennings
2. Moore
3. Caruthers
4. Sisler
5. Browning
6. Waddell
7. Childs
8. Mendez
9. C. Jones
10. Thompson
11. Pike
12. Bennett
13. Thompson
14. Redding
15. Griffith
16. Rixey
Not PHoM, but at least on ballot at one time or another
17. Sewell--still a possibility
18. Duffy--fading
19. GVH--no longer any chance of PHoM or of ballot from here on down
20. Ryan
Not PHoM/never on my ballot
21. Bresnahan
22. Leach
23. Beckley--I now have all 3 of these guys ahead of GVH and Ryan, but no chance of PHoM or ballot
I also have 7 of the 16 others listed in my PHoM. Roush, Fox and Williamson are the best of that lot.
Now, there are two effects that put somwhat more long-timers near the top. The first is that the destribution is skewed; contrarians like yest and karlmagnus can be further below the average than anyone can manage to be above it. The other is that we've had several high-friction short-timers (notably Gadfly, Guapo, and Vaux) who drag the average down and move the long-timers up in contrast.
(emphasis mine ;-)
Cool! There's my run-to-the-dictionary moment for the day.
"Latin expression, literally meaning of its own kind/genus or unique in its characteristics"
(Also an early 70s Argentinian rock band forms by the merging of the bands "To Walk Spanish" and "The Century Indignation".)
Only includes those present for 90% of the elections covered (63 minimum):
Median 1.25, Mean 0.5
Voter Years Total Rate
Howie Menckel 70 +471 +6.7
Chris Cobb 70 +358 +5.1
TomH 70 +322 +4.6
andrew siegel 70 +299 +4.3
favre 67 +253 +3.8
Devin McCullen 70 +252 +3.6
Dan G 69 +243 +3.5
OCF 70 +236 +3.4
Pedro Feliz Navidad 70 +190 +2.7
dan b 70 +176 +2.5
Esteban Rivera 70 +170 +2.4
Rusty Priske 70 +157 +2.2
Rob Wood 70 +153 +2.2
Ken Fischer 63 +137 +2.2
Adam Schafer 68 +109 +1.6
Sean Gilman 70 +90 +1.3
David Foss 68 +82 +1.2
Al Peterson 70 +78 +1.1
Daryn 70 +52 +0.7
ronw (Ron Wargo) 70 +38 +0.5
Joe Dimino 69 -13 -0.2
Jeff M 70 -85 -1.2
Patrick W 68 -98 -1.4
Rick A 70 -161 -2.3
jimd 70 -200 -2.9
Jim Sp 70 -208 -3.0
sunnyday2 (marc) 67 -221 -3.3
John Murphy 70 -360 -5.1
EricC 70 -464 -6.6
KJOK 69 -501 -7.3
karlmagnus 70 -669 -9.6
yest 67 -743 -11.1 [\pre]
I don't understand what went wrong so I won't try it again.
Let's see if that fixes it.
Voter Years Total Rate
Howie Menckel 70 +471 +6.7
Chris Cobb 70 +358 +5.1
TomH 70 +322 +4.6
andrew siegel 70 +299 +4.3
favre 67 +253 +3.8
Devin McCullen 70 +252 +3.6
Dan G 69 +243 +3.5
OCF 70 +236 +3.4
Pedro Feliz Navidad 70 +190 +2.7
dan b 70 +176 +2.5
Esteban Rivera 70 +170 +2.4
Rusty Priske 70 +157 +2.2
Rob Wood 70 +153 +2.2
Ken Fischer 63 +137 +2.2
Adam Schafer 68 +109 +1.6
Sean Gilman 70 +90 +1.3
David Foss 68 +82 +1.2
Al Peterson 70 +78 +1.1
Daryn 70 +52 +0.7
ronw (Ron Wargo) 70 +38 +0.5
Joe Dimino 69 -13 -0.2
Jeff M 70 -85 -1.2
Patrick W 68 -98 -1.4
Rick A 70 -161 -2.3
jimd 70 -200 -2.9
Jim Sp 70 -208 -3.0
sunnyday2 (marc) 67 -221 -3.3
John Murphy 70 -360 -5.1
EricC 70 -464 -6.6
KJOK 69 -501 -7.3
karlmagnus 70 -669 -9.6
yest 67 -743 -11.1
Voter Years Total Rate
Howie Menckel 70 +471 +6.7
Chris Cobb 70 +358 +5.1
TomH 70 +322 +4.6
andrew siegel 70 +299 +4.3
Mark S (jschmeagol) 56 +253 +4.5
favre 67 +253 +3.8
Devin McCullen 70 +252 +3.6
Dan G 69 +243 +3.5
OCF 70 +236 +3.4
Pedro Feliz Navidad 70 +190 +2.7
dan b 70 +176 +2.5
Esteban Rivera 70 +170 +2.4
Rusty Priske 70 +157 +2.2
Rob Wood 70 +153 +2.2
Ken Fischer 63 +137 +2.2
Brad G 44 +135 +3.1
Adam Schafer 68 +109 +1.6
Sean Gilman 70 +90 +1.3
David Foss 68 +82 +1.2
Al Peterson 70 +78 +1.1
Daryn 70 +52 +0.7
ronw (Ron Wargo) 70 +38 +0.5
Joe Dimino 69 -13 -0.2
Jeff M 70 -85 -1.2
Patrick W 68 -98 -1.4
Eric Chalek 61 -108 -1.8
Rick A 70 -161 -2.3
jimd 70 -200 -2.9
Jim Sp 70 -208 -3.0
sunnyday2 (marc) 67 -221 -3.3
John Murphy 70 -360 -5.1
EricC 70 -464 -6.6
KJOK 69 -501 -7.3
karlmagnus 70 -669 -9.6
yest 67 -743 -11.1
I used the [ code ] tag instead of the [ pre ] tag which makes it blue (with green & red accents). I suppose it doesn't matter if you use code or pre, but there's a code button so I used that.
I concur. (ironically) :-)
No tabs. I know not to use them.
It was a copy of OCF's original post, pasted into Notepad, and edited there.
Copied back into the post box, pre and /pre tags added, then submitted.
Not sure what the conversion script did, but it added 'code' at the front
but not the end. I had to /code it myself to get the thread font back to normal.
Could using pre instead of code be the problem?
Thanks for fixing it David, but you need to add three more voters to keep the quartiles the same size ;-)
Part me wants to accept Chaleeko into our quartile because that is what the consensus wants. Another part of me doesn't want anything to do with him.
Great, now I just put myself in the middle again. I'll never make a seasonal OCF chart.
These guys will absolutely amaze you with their advanced mathematical and analysis skills and they're all marvelous debaters and know their way around the internet.
They're also the kindest, most respectful group you'll likely meet on a blog site anywhere.
So stick around; I've been a lurker, part-timer poster since about 1910 and have learned a lot.
On another note; sad to say but I must agree with sunnyday2 that the troika of GVH, Duffy and Ryan look like they're destined to be on the outside looking in.
That 1889 Chicago team with all 3 in the outfield simutaneously must have been fun to watch.
Each guy scored 125+ runs that season; they stole 125 bases combined and drove in more that 240 runs in a 132 game season.
Having 3 borderline HoM guys in the same outfield must have been great for the fans.
That 1889 Chicago team had Anson too, albeit with a slightly down year for him (134 OPS+)By the standards of that era, however, it had very mediocre pitching with nobody winning more than 16 games.
OCF, you were very kind to include me in the chart, and I am touched. But Wargo takes the cake with this line. Thanks for the chuckle, Ron.
Oh I dunno, jingoist, I don't want him to think we're wimps -- we're not that polite. After all, every time I mention J... B.... a huge shower of rotten tomatoes hurls in my direction!
Hey, wait a sec, Karl. Let's get some facts straight. Sometimes I hurl putrid peaches, plums, or cucumbers. ; )
This month of the Lifetime Network, a holiday special you'll always treasure: "A Very Functional HOM Family Christmas."
You'll laugh with all the boys as they open boxes full of old comic books, Star Wars videos, and 1970s and 1980s rock CDs. ("Rush? Oh, Grandma Johnny, how'd you know they were my favorite?" And how did you know I don't have 'Roll the Bones' yet?")
You'll be touched as they make up for past differences. ("...And I'm sorry too, guys. All those putouts just put me over the edge. Can I just ask you to forgive me...in the holiday spirit?")
You'll visit with old friends. ("Paul, jingo, Dave, Jaffe, come on in! I had a feeling you'd be dropping by to celebrate with us, and I've got a warm pot of Chock Full 'o 1890s Centerfielders-brand coffee warming for you and some delicious run-support-chip cookies that just came out of the oven.")
You'll revel in the memories of excitements and gifts gone by...("Dickey Pearce!!!! I've always wanted one of those!")
...remember with sadness the trials of yesteryear ("Wid, why have you forsaken me now?"; "You don't know what it's like to love Wes Ferrell!!!")...
...and reflect on those no longer with us ("RMC, Guapo, Gad, where are you? This isn't funny anymore! Where are you???...How will they ever find their way out of the woods in the snow, darkness, and freezing cold?")
You might even be in for a special holiday surprise ("And entering the top ten for the first time, Charlie Keller!")
So join the HOM for "A Very Functional HOM Family Christmas," and see your TV-watching consensus score soar as you celebrate the season with America's favorite extended online family.
Only on Lifetime.
I have reviewed music off and on for 20+ yrs; I can talk tunes like some of y'all sling mathematical formulae . . . :->
HoMers in bold
all HoFers with significant playing careers are included
1936
Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson
1937
Nap Lajoie, Tris Speaker, Cy Young , Connie Mack, John McGraw, George Wright
1938
Pete Alexander
1939
George Sisler , Eddie Collins , Willie Keeler , Lou Gehrig, Cap Anson , Charlie Comiskey , Candy Cummings , Buck Ewing , Charles Radbourn , Al Spalding
1942
Rogers Hornsby
1945
Roger Bresnahan , Dan Brouthers , Fred Clarke , Jimmy Collins , Ed Delahanty , Hugh Duffy , Hughie Jennings , King Kelly , Jim O’Rourke , Wilbert Robinson
1946
Jesse Burkett , Frank Chance , Jack Chesbro , Johnny Evers , , Clark Griffith, , Tommy McCarthy , Joe McGinnity , Eddie Plank , Joe Tinker , Rube Waddell , Ed Walsh
1947
Carl Hubbell , Frankie Frisch , Mickey Cochrane , Lefty Grove
1948
Herb Pennock , Pie Traynor
1949
Charlie Gehringer , Mordecai Brown , Kid Nichols
1951
Mel Ott , Jimmie Foxx
1952
Harry Heilmann , Paul Waner
1953
Al Simmons , Dizzy Dean , Chief Bender , Bobby Wallace , Harry Wright
1954
Rabbit Maranville , Bill Dickey , Bill Terry
1955
Joe DiMaggio , Ted Lyons , Dazzy Vance , Gabby Hartnett , Frank Baker , Ray Schalk
1956
Hank Greenberg , Joe Cronin
1957
Sam Crawford
1959
Zack Wheat
1961
Max Carey , Billy Hamilton
1962
Bob Feller , Jackie Robinson , Bill McKechnie , Edd Roush
1963
John Clarkson , Elmer Flick , Sam Rice , Eppa Rixey
1964
Luke Appling , Red Faber , Burleigh Grimes , Miller Huggins , Tim Keefe , Heinie Manush , Monte Ward
1965
Pud Galvin
1966
Ted Williams , Casey Stengel
1967
Red Ruffing , Lloyd Waner
1968
Joe Medwick , Kiki Cuyler , Goose Goslin
1969
Stan Musial, Roy Campanella , Stan Coveleski , , Waite Hoyt,
1970
Lou Boudreau , Earle Combs , Jesse Haines,
1971
Dave Bancroft , Jake Beckley , Chick Hafey , Harry Hooper , Joe Kelley , Rube Marquard , Satchel Paige
1972
Sandy Koufax , Yogi Berra ,Early Wynn, Lefty Gomez , Ross Youngs , Josh Gibson , Buck Leonard
1973
Warren Spahn , George Kelly , Mickey Welch , Monte Irvin , Roberto Clemente
1974
Mickey Mantle , Whitey Ford , Jim Bottomley , Sam Thompson , Cool Papa Bell
1975
Ralph Kiner , Earl Averill , Bucky Harris , Billy Herman , Judy Johnson
1976
Robin Roberts, Bob Lemon , Roger Connor , Freddy Lindstrom , Oscar Charleston
1977
Ernie Banks ,Amos Rusie , Joe Sewell , Al Lopez , Martin Dihigo , Pop Lloyd
1978
Eddie Mathews, Addie Joss
1979
Willie Mays , Hack Wilson
1980
Al Kaline, Duke Snider, Chuck Klein
1981
Bob Gibson, Johnny Mize , Rube Foster
1982
Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, Travis Jackson
1983
Brooks Robinson, Juan Marichal, George Kell
1984
Luis Aparicio, Harmon Killebrew, Don Drysdale, Rick Ferrell , Pee Wee Reese
1985
Hoyt Wilhelm, Lou Brock, Enos Slaughter , Arky Vaughan
1986
Willie McCovey, Bobby Doerr, Ernie Lombardi
1987
Billy Williams, Catfish Hunter, Ray Dandridge
1988
Willie Stargell
1989
Johnny Bench, Carl Yastrzemski, Red Schoendienst
1990
Jim Palmer , Joe Morgan
1991
Gaylord Perry, Fergie Jenkins , Tony Lazzeri
1992
Hal Newhouser
1994
Leo Durocher , Phil Rizzuto
1995
Leon Day , Vic Willis , Richie Ashburn
1996
Jim Bunning, Bill Foster , Ned Hanlon
1997
Nellie Fox, Willie Wells
1998
George Davis , Larry Doby , Joe Rogan
1999
Orlando Cepeda, Joe Williams
2000
Bid McPhee , Turkey Stearnes
2001
Bill Mazeroski , Hilton Smith
2006
Ray Brown, Willard Brown, Andy Cooper, Biz Mackey, Mule Suttles, Cristobal Torriente, Jud Wilson, Frank Grant, Pete Hill, Jose Mendez Louis Santop, Ben Taylor, Sol White
We'll be HOM for Christmas
Even if we don't vote
Hoping Santa Claus boosts our "Lost Cause"
No matter how remote
We'll still read discussion threads
Even when at work
We'll be HOM for Christmas...
If only just to lurk
Hell, kudos to all who fired off musical opinions - a lotta good music named there.
Anyone remember the Henry Rollins spoken-word piece anout replacing the word "love" in famous rock/pop tunes with the word "lunch"?
"way down inside,
woman,
you need . . .
LLLLLLUUUUUUNNNNNNCCCCCHHHHH.
(massive thunderous Zep music here)
gotta whole lotta lunch . . . "
Doyle 7555
I have Doyle with 7653. I think you forgot to add in this years ballot.
And GVH hangs onto the lead - by an incredible margin of a HALF-PT, after more than 75 years of balloting for both!.... Congrats to Browning, the 4th member of the 20,000-pt club...Redding and CJones move up to 12th and 15th, respectively... Bresnahan extends his lead over Leach from 6 to 13 pts.. Roush bounces Harry Stovey (9576) out of the top 25.
all-time 'votes points' thru 1990 - those still eligible in 1991 election are in CAPS. electees not in caps.
TOP 25, ALL-TIME
VAN HALTREN 23512.5
BECKLEY 23512
DUFFY 22813.5
BROWNING 20003.5
Childs 18484
Griffith 17924
Waddell 17596
Jennings 16976
WELCH 16020
Sisler 13892
Pike 13399
REDDING 12849
Sewell 12769
Mendez 12555
CJONES 12540
Thompson 12349
RYAN 12022.5
BRESNAHAN 11765
TLEACH 11752
Bennett 11503
Rixey 10789
Caruthers 10704
MOORE 10517
Beckwith 9896
ROUSH 9699
OTHERS IN THE TOP 25 ACTIVE
(Doyle 7653, Cravath 7534, Grimes 6779, Walters 6619, Monroe 6564, Trouppe 5715, Schang 5584, Williamson 5478, McGraw 5211, Fox 5175, Oms 5039, Boyer 4736, BJohnson 4614)
not quite
(Keller 4342)
if he would have got a first place vote instead of a 5th he would have been tied for first
Aha, now we have a motive!
(BTW, I assume this means the second most *points* ever in one of our elections, is that right?)
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