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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Tuesday, December 26, 20061992 Results: Seaver Deemed Terrific By the Hall of Merit, Plus How the Grich “Stole” The Election!In his first year of eligibility, immortal New York Met pitcher Tom Seaver achieved almost 100% of all possible points to win induction into the Hall of Merit. He is also the sixth player who found himself in an elect-me spot on everyone’s ballot without achieving total unanimity. In a major upset, Oriole and Angel star Bobby Grich nosed out hit king Pete Rose to earn the second spot this year for induction with 65% of all possible points (less than a point over “Charlie Hustle”). Rose was leading comfortably until the last day of the election, when Grich finally pushed ahead due to 16 protest non-votes against the Cincinnati legend. Rounding out the top-ten were: Pete Browning (huge jump ahead!), Nellie Fox, Jimmy Wynn, Charlie Keller, Quincey Trouppe, Eddie Roush, and Rollie Fingers. RK LY Player PTS Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 n/e Tom Seaver 1241 52 45 7 2 n/e Bobby Grich 814 45 8 26 3 2 2 1 2 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 n/e Pete Rose 811 36 7 26 2 1 4 11 Pete Browning 312 23 2 1 2 4 3 1 2 2 2 1 2 1 5 4 Nellie Fox 310 23 3 3 2 2 1 4 3 1 2 1 1 6 5 Jimmy Wynn 301 29 2 1 2 2 1 4 2 2 1 4 1 7 7 8 Charlie Keller 295 21 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 1 2 1 2 8 6 Quincy Trouppe 291 24 1 3 1 3 1 3 2 1 2 3 2 2 9 7 Edd Roush 284 22 1 4 4 5 2 1 3 2 10 9 Rollie Fingers 264 23 3 3 1 1 1 3 1 2 2 3 3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 10 Jake Beckley 260 20 1 1 4 2 3 2 1 2 2 1 1 12 12 Cannonball Dick Redding 251 18 1 1 2 2 2 1 3 2 3 1 13 13 Charley Jones 246 16 1 2 4 3 2 1 2 1 14 14 Bucky Walters 225 18 1 2 4 2 2 3 2 1 1 15 n/e Tony Perez 223 18 1 3 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 3 16 15 Bob Johnson 215 17 2 4 2 1 1 1 4 1 1 17 16 Hugh Duffy 213 16 1 2 1 1 2 4 2 2 1 18 17 Gavvy Cravath 211 19 1 3 2 1 1 2 2 3 4 19 19 Alejandro Oms 164 15 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 2 4 1 20 20 Burleigh Grimes 161 12 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 1 21 21 Tommy Leach 155 14 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 22 18 George Van Haltren 152 13 3 3 1 2 1 2 1 23 22 Roger Bresnahan 151 12 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 24 23 Rusty Staub 127 10 2 2 1 2 1 1 1 25 24 Orlando Cepeda 120 11 1 1 1 2 2 1 2 1 26 25 Luis Tiant 112 12 1 1 2 3 4 1 27 28 Mickey Welch 111 9 1 1 3 1 2 1 28 27 Dizzy Dean 105 8 1 3 1 1 1 1 29 29 Bobby Bonds 101 9 3 1 3 1 1 30 31 Larry Doyle 94 6 2 2 1 1 31 30 Norm Cash 93 8 1 1 2 1 2 1 32 26 Lou Brock 90 8 1 1 2 4 33T 33 Bob Elliott 88 9 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 33T 32 Ken Singleton 88 9 2 1 2 1 2 1 35 34 Vic Willis 88 8 1 1 2 2 1 1 36 40 Pie Traynor 82 7 1 1 1 1 2 1 37 35 Tommy Bridges 81 7 1 2 1 2 1 38 38 Reggie Smith 76 8 1 1 2 1 1 2 39 36 Elston Howard 74 8 2 2 1 1 2 40 39 John McGraw 68 5 3 1 1 41 37 Ben Taylor 66 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 42 41 Phil Rizzuto 66 5 1 1 1 1 1 43 44 Vern Stephens 60 6 1 1 1 1 2 44 47 Chuck Klein 57 5 2 1 1 1 45 43 Addie Joss 53 4 1 1 1 1 46 42 Carl Mays 51 4 2 1 1 47T 48 Bill Monroe 50 5 1 2 2 47T 51 Thurman Munson 50 5 1 2 2 49 45 Wally Schang 49 4 1 1 1 1 50 49 Sal Bando 47 5 1 2 1 1 51 52 Ed Williamson 46 4 1 1 1 1 52 54 Frank Howard 42 5 1 1 2 1 53 50 Dave Bancroft 41 5 1 1 1 2 54 61 Ed Cicotte 39 3 1 1 1 55 55 Rabbit Maranville 34 4 1 2 1 56T 58 Al Rosen 34 3 1 1 1 56T 46 Jimmy Ryan 34 3 1 1 1 58T 59 Frank Chance 31 3 1 1 1 58T 57 Sam Rice 31 3 1 1 1 60 60 Gene Tenace 29 3 1 1 1 61T 64 Fred Dunlap 29 2 1 1 61T 56 Jim Kaat 29 2 1 1 63 53 Tony Oliva 26 2 1 1 64 66 Lefty Gomez 25 2 1 1 65T 68T Luis Aparicio 24 2 1 1 65T 67 Ernie Lombardi 24 2 1 1 67T 63 Urban Shocker 23 2 1 1 67T 65 Dizzy Trout 23 2 1 1 69T 71 George J. Burns 22 3 1 2 69T 62 Bobby Veach 22 3 1 2 71 68T Don Newcombe 21 2 1 1 72 68T Jack Quinn 16 1 1 73T 75 Artie Wilson 14 1 1 73T 77T Fielder Jones 14 1 1 73T 77T Sam Leever 14 1 1 76T 73 Bus Clarkson 13 2 1 1 76T 76 Al Oliver 13 2 1 1 78T 74 Wilbur Cooper 13 1 1 78T 82T Tony Lazzeri 13 1 1 78T 72 Tony Mullane 13 1 1 81 80T Cecil Travis 12 1 1 82T 82T Hack Wilson 11 1 1 82T 80T Dutch Leonard 11 1 1 84 82T Kiki Cuyler 10 1 1 85T 86T Tommy Bond 9 1 1 85T 86T Herman Long 9 1 1 87T 89T George Kell 8 1 1 87T 89T Bill Mazeroski 8 1 1 87T 86T Virgil Trucks 8 1 1 87T 85 Mickey Vernon 8 1 1 91 79 Jim Fregosi 7 1 1 92 n/e George Foster 6 1 1 Dropped Out: Wally Berger(92T), Bobby Murcer(89T), Vada Pinson(92T), Sol White(92T). Ballots Cast: 52
John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 27, 2006 at 01:09 AM (#2269029)Wow, again!
I didn't really see this coming, even though I felt Rose was going to take a major hit this election.
Next election is going to be major fun, don't you think? ;-)
Next year, Pete will be on my ballot, I had my say, but he will be behind Reggie! with probably Carlton 3 and Niekro 4.
Are we gonna send a "Santo letter" to Gri(n)ch?
Highest possible: +11
For the most part, boycotters have lower consensus scores than non-boycotters - but the boycotters did decide the election.
Howie Menckel: +6
Andrew M: +4
Chris Cobb: +3
Rusty Priske: +3
andrew siegel: +3
Devin McCullen: +3
...
OCF: -2
...
mulder & scully: -3
Patrick W: -3 (medians)
...
KJOK: -4 (higher than he usually is)
...
Adam Schafer: -8
Pedro Feliz N: -8
John Murphy: -8
Jeff M: -8
Max Parkinson: -9
Joe Dimino: -10
rico vanian: -11
jhwinfrey: -11
karlmagnus: -12
jimd: -12
Chris Fluit: -14
yest: -21
HOF-not-HOM through 1992
1 Aparicio, Luis
2. Bancroft, Dave
3. Beckley, Jake
4 Bender, Chief
5 Bottomley, Jim
6 Bresnahan, Roger
7 Brock, Lou
8 Chance, Frank
9 Chesbro, Jack
10 Combs, Earle
11 Cuyler, Kiki
12 Dandridge, Ray
13 Dean, Dizzy
14 Duffy, Hugh
15 Evers, Johnny
16 Ferrell, Rick
17 Fingers, Rollie
18 Gomez, Lefty
19 Grimes, Burleigh
20 Hafey, Chick
21 Haines, Jesse
22 Hooper, Harry
23 Hoyt, Waite
24 Hunter, Catfish
25 Jackson, Travis
26 Johnson, Judy
27 Joss, Addie
28 Kell, George
29 Kelly, George
30 Klein, Chuck
31 Lazzeri, Tony
32 Lindstrom, Freddie
33 Lombardi, Ernie
34 Manush, Heinie
35 Maranville, Rabbit
36 Marquard, Rube
37 McCarthy, Tommy
38 McGraw, John
39 Pennock, Herb
40 Rice, Sam
41 Roush, Edd
42 Schalk, Ray
43 Schoendienst, Red
44 Tinker, Joe
45 Traynor, Pie
46 Waner, Lloyd
47 Welch, Mickey
48 Wilson, Hack
49 Youngs, Ross
HOM-not-HOF
1 Allen, Dick
2 Ashburn, Richie
3 Barnes, Ross
4 Beckwith, John
5 Bennett, Charlie
6 Boyer, Ken
7 Brown, Ray
8 Brown, Willard
9 Bunning, Jim
10 Caruthers, Bob
11 Childs, Cupid
12 Dahlen, Bill
13 Davis, George
14 Doby, Larry
15 Ferrell, Wes
16 Foster, Willie
17 Freehan, Bill
18 Glasscock, Jack
19 Gordon, Joe
20 Gore, George
21 Grant, Frank
22 Grich, Bobby
23 Groh, Heinie
24 Hack, Stan
25 Hill, Pete
26 Hines, Paul
27 Jackson, Joe*
28 Johnson, Home Run
29 Mackey. Biz
30 Magee, Sherry
31 McPhee, Bid
32 McVey, Cal
33 Méndez, José
34 Minoso, Minnie
35 Moore, Dobie
36 Pearce, Dickey
37 Pierce, Billy
38 Pike, Lip
39 Richardson, Hardy
40 Rogan, Bullet Joe
41 Santo, Ron
42 Santop, Louis
43 Sheckard, Jimmy
44 Start, Joe
45 Stearnes, Turkey
46 Stovey, Harry
47 Suttles, Mule
48 Sutton, Ezra
49 Torre, Joe
50 Torriente, Cristobal
51 Wells, Willie
52 White, Deacon
53 Williams, Smokey Joe
54 Wilson, Jud
* not eligible for the HOF
As for Rose, he may be #1 next in '93 on my ballot.
no change in the Top 10... Redding claims 11th, needs two more elections to grab top 10 slot.. Only 30.5 pts separate active Nos. 17-19 - Ryan, Bresnahan, Leach... Cravath needs to maintain his support to the finish the become the 25th and final 10,000 vote-pt man.
TOP 25, ALL-TIME
BECKLEY 24105
VAN HALTREN 23879.5
DUFFY 23270.5
BROWNING 20647.5
Childs 18484
Griffith 17924
Waddell 17596
Jennings 16976
WELCH 16256
Sisler 13892
REDDING 13402
Pike 13399
CJONES 13077
Sewell 12769
Mendez 12555
Thompson 12349
RYAN 12121.5
BRESNAHAN 12095
TLEACH 12091
Bennett 11503
Moore 10904
Rixey 10789
Caruthers 10704
ROUSH 10336
Beckwith 9896
OTHERS IN THE TOP 25 ACTIVE
(Cravath 7982, Doyle 7865, Grimes 7130, Walters 7119, Monroe 6674, Trouppe 6363, Fox 5870, Schang 5699, Williamson 5573, Oms 5394, McGraw 5360, BJohnson 5096, Keller 4980, Willis 3904)
not quite
(Joss 3808, Elliott 3325, Dean 3329, Wynn 3190)
After 18 ballots (OCF)(35%), Rose had a 131 pt lead. There had been only two (of 16 total) boycotters, and there were four ballots cast omitting Grich (of 7 total).
After 44 ballots (Andrew M), Rose still had a 113 pt lead. Ten boycott votes had been cast, and all seven votes omitting Grich.
The last 8 ballots contained 6 protest votes. The lead disappeared in a hurry.
Although I didn't boycott Rose, I am happy that Grich got in. He deserves better than having to wait two years, as he would almost certainly have done without the boycott.
But I'm going to have to revamp my 1993 prelim ballot now, as I had anticipated a Rose election in 1992.
The 1993 election also just got more interesting. I expect Niekro will draw the short straw, but I've been surprised by the results in the last two elections, so what do I know?
One thing I'm wondering is whether we're going to send one to Rose, when he is elected. If we do, I'm sure that he'll get the wrong idea that we approve of his actions, and that he belongs in the HOF.
I wonder who didn't vote for Rose or Grich?
You, jhwinfrey (-11), and yest (the outlier).
I posted at the beginning of the election that I felt that the anti-protest voters would vote earlier than the pro-protest voters. Just a gut feeling, but it was an accurate one.
Was this some kind of fluke based on a couple of people missing the holiday election?
It looks like a lot of voters wouldn't touch Rose with a thirty-nine-and-a-half-foot pole...
Because he's a nasty, wasty skunk! :-)
That wasn't 1/2 a boycott. That is where karl truly believes Rose ranks. He even said that Pete is #13 on his '93 ballot.
Head to head? If not, it should be. It is better than elect-me votes.
The de facto tie-breaker for non-election spots is number of ballot appearances
(easier to implement in the spread-sheet used for election tallying).
1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.
It gets a little more complicated if there are more than two players involved, but it is nothing we can't handle.
(Sorry, I'm feeling smart-alecky lately.)
You look at each ballot that had either player on it. The player ahead on more of those ballots wins.
It's been used before in lower rank tie-breakers, but I don't think we've ever had to use it to determine an election spot.
He is now. He wasn't after the 1992 HoF election, which is what John is working with. And Davis is by no means the only player in that particular category.
It's gonna be fun.
This is as of 2006-07.
That sound right?
Top 20 non-Hall of Fame candidates for HOM, 1992 HOM voting rank in parentheses: Pete Rose (3rd), Pete Browning (4th), Jimmy Wynn (6th), Charlie Keller (7th), Quincy Trouppe (8th), Dick Redding (12th), Charley Jones (13th), Bucky Walters (14th), Bob Johnson (16th), Gavvy Cravath (18th), Alejandro Oms (19th), Tommy Leach (21st), George Van Haltren (22nd), Rusty Staub (24th), Luis Tiant (26th), Bobby Bonds (29th), Larry Doyle (30th), Norm Cash (31st), Ken Singleton (33rdT), Bob Elliott (33rdT).
Top 15 Hall of Famers in running for HOM, 1992 HOM rank in parentheses: Nellie Fox (5th), Edd Roush (9th), Rollie Fingers (10th), Jake Beckley (11th), Tony Perez (15th), Hugh Duffy (17th), Burleigh Grimes (20th), Roger Bresnahan (23rd), Orlando Cepeda (25th), Mickey Welch (27th), Dizzy Dean (28th), Lou Brock (32nd), Vic Willis (35th), Pie Traynor (36th), John McGraw (40th).
HoMers in bold
all HoFers with significant playing careers are included
1936
Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson
1937
Nap Lajoie, Tris Speaker, Cy Young , Connie Mack, John McGraw, George Wright
1938
Pete Alexander
1939
George Sisler , Eddie Collins , Willie Keeler , Lou Gehrig, Cap Anson , Charlie Comiskey , Candy Cummings , Buck Ewing , Charles Radbourn , Al Spalding
1942
Rogers Hornsby
1945
Roger Bresnahan , Dan Brouthers , Fred Clarke , Jimmy Collins , Ed Delahanty , Hugh Duffy , Hughie Jennings , King Kelly , Jim O’Rourke , Wilbert Robinson
1946
Jesse Burkett , Frank Chance , Jack Chesbro , Johnny Evers , , Clark Griffith, , Tommy McCarthy , Joe McGinnity , Eddie Plank , Joe Tinker , Rube Waddell , Ed Walsh
1947
Carl Hubbell , Frankie Frisch , Mickey Cochrane , Lefty Grove
1948
Herb Pennock , Pie Traynor
1949
Charlie Gehringer , Mordecai Brown , Kid Nichols
1951
Mel Ott , Jimmie Foxx
1952
Harry Heilmann , Paul Waner
1953
Al Simmons , Dizzy Dean , Chief Bender , Bobby Wallace , Harry Wright
1954
Rabbit Maranville , Bill Dickey , Bill Terry
1955
Joe DiMaggio , Ted Lyons , Dazzy Vance , Gabby Hartnett , Frank Baker , Ray Schalk
1956
Hank Greenberg , Joe Cronin
1957
Sam Crawford
1959
Zack Wheat
1961
Max Carey , Billy Hamilton
1962
Bob Feller , Jackie Robinson , Bill McKechnie , Edd Roush
1963
John Clarkson , Elmer Flick , Sam Rice , Eppa Rixey
1964
Luke Appling , Red Faber , Burleigh Grimes , Miller Huggins , Tim Keefe , Heinie Manush , Monte Ward
1965
Pud Galvin
1966
Ted Williams , Casey Stengel
1967
Red Ruffing , Lloyd Waner
1968
Joe Medwick , Kiki Cuyler , Goose Goslin
1969
Stan Musial, Roy Campanella , Stan Coveleski , , Waite Hoyt,
1970
Lou Boudreau , Earle Combs , Jesse Haines,
1971
Dave Bancroft , Jake Beckley , Chick Hafey , Harry Hooper , Joe Kelley , Rube Marquard , Satchel Paige
1972
Sandy Koufax , Yogi Berra ,Early Wynn, Lefty Gomez , Ross Youngs , Josh Gibson , Buck Leonard
1973
Warren Spahn , George Kelly , Mickey Welch , Monte Irvin , Roberto Clemente
1974
Mickey Mantle , Whitey Ford , Jim Bottomley , Sam Thompson , Cool Papa Bell
1975
Ralph Kiner , Earl Averill , Bucky Harris , Billy Herman , Judy Johnson
1976
Robin Roberts, Bob Lemon , Roger Connor , Freddy Lindstrom , Oscar Charleston
1977
Ernie Banks ,Amos Rusie , Joe Sewell , Al Lopez , Martin Dihigo , Pop Lloyd
1978
Eddie Mathews, Addie Joss
1979
Willie Mays , Hack Wilson
1980
Al Kaline, Duke Snider, Chuck Klein
1981
Bob Gibson, Johnny Mize , Rube Foster
1982
Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, Travis Jackson
1983
Brooks Robinson, Juan Marichal, George Kell
1984
Luis Aparicio, Harmon Killebrew, Don Drysdale, Rick Ferrell , Pee Wee Reese
1985
Hoyt Wilhelm, Lou Brock, Enos Slaughter , Arky Vaughan
1986
Willie McCovey, Bobby Doerr, Ernie Lombardi
1987
Billy Williams, Catfish Hunter, Ray Dandridge
1988
Willie Stargell
1989
Johnny Bench, Carl Yastrzemski, Red Schoendienst
1990
Jim Palmer , Joe Morgan
1991
Rod Carew, Gaylord Perry, Fergie Jenkins , Tony Lazzeri
1992
Tom Seaver, Rollie Fingers, Hal Newhouser
1994
Leo Durocher , Phil Rizzuto
1995
Leon Day , Vic Willis , Richie Ashburn
1996
Jim Bunning, Bill Foster , Ned Hanlon
1997
Nellie Fox, Willie Wells
1998
George Davis , Larry Doby , Joe Rogan
1999
Orlando Cepeda, Joe Williams
2000
Tony Perez, Bid McPhee , Turkey Stearnes
2001
Bill Mazeroski , Hilton Smith
2006
Ray Brown, Willard Brown, Andy Cooper, Biz Mackey, Mule Suttles, Cristobal Torriente, Jud Wilson, Frank Grant, Pete Hill, Jose Mendez Louis Santop, Ben Taylor, Sol White
Dick Allen
Mickey Lolich
Tony Oliva
Bobby Bonds
Sparky Lyle
Al Oliver
Ken Boyer
Marty Marion
Vada Pinson
Rocky Colavito
Roger Maris
Ron Santo
Wes Ferrell
Carl Mays
Luis Tiant
Curt Flood
Minnie Minoso
Joe Torre
Joe Gordon
Thurman Munson
Cecil Travis
Gil Hodges
Don Newcombe
Mickey Vernon
Jim Kaat
Lefty O'Doul
Maury Wills
From the HOF website:
Veterans Committee members will receive their ballots in early January, with voting to take place throughout January and February.
"You guys" should write to them in support of HOM-electees. It couldn't hurt, right?
It depends, Guapo. If some of them heard that many of us utilize sabermetrics, that could deep-six a particular player's candidacy. :-)
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