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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Saturday, September 08, 20072004 Results: Molitor, Eckersley and Bresnahan are All Waved into the Hall of Merit!In his first year of eligibility, multipositional star Paul Molitor claimed the first induction spot into the Hall of Merit with a terrific 94% of all possible points. Also in his first year on the ballot, ace starting and relief hurler Dennis Eckerlsey earned a strong 77% of all possible points to become the second inductee in 2004. Last but not least, catching great Roger Bresnahan finally made into the HoM with his 84th try. He gained admission with a weak 29% of all possible points. Rounding out the top-ten were: Pete Browning (looks like 2005 will do the trick for him!), Kirby Puckett, Bob Johnson, Andre Dawson, Alejandro Oms (first time in the top-ten!), Cannonball Dick Redding and Bucky Walters. Thanks to OCF and Ron for helping me out with the tally! RK LY Player PTS Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 n/e Paul Molitor 1223 54 37 7 4 3 1 1 1 2 n/e Dennis Eckersley 998 51 9 21 5 1 1 1 2 2 2 1 1 3 1 1 3 5 Roger Bresnahan 376 27 1 3 1 1 4 1 4 2 2 1 1 3 3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 4 Pete Browning 324 21 2 3 1 2 2 3 2 1 1 2 2 5 7 Kirby Puckett 273 20 1 2 2 2 2 3 1 1 2 2 1 1 6 8 Bob Johnson 265 20 3 3 4 1 3 1 3 1 1 7 6 Andre Dawson 259 19 1 2 2 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 2 2 8 13 Alejandro Oms 254 19 1 3 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 2 3 9 10 Cannonball Dick Redding 248 15 2 3 4 1 1 1 1 2 10 11 Bucky Walters 245 17 1 1 1 4 2 1 3 1 2 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 12 Hugh Duffy 244 17 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 2 2 2 1 1 12 9 Tony Perez 238 17 4 3 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 2 13 14 Gavvy Cravath 234 20 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 1 2 2 1 14 16 Reggie Smith 230 17 1 1 1 2 1 4 1 2 1 1 2 15 15 Tommy Leach 217 16 2 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 16 20 John McGraw 194 11 1 4 2 2 1 1 17 18 Luis Tiant 186 16 1 1 1 1 2 3 2 1 4 18 19 Graig Nettles 184 17 1 1 1 3 1 2 1 1 2 1 3 19 21 Phil Rizzuto 181 14 3 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 20 22 Dizzy Dean 181 12 4 2 1 1 2 1 1 21 17 George Van Haltren 174 12 2 3 1 3 1 1 1 22 26 Ken Singleton 171 15 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 4 2 23 23 Bus Clarkson 149 10 2 3 1 2 1 1 24 30 Mickey Welch 140 10 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 25 25 Lou Brock 137 10 1 2 2 2 1 1 1 26 24 Tommy Bridges 137 9 4 2 1 2 27 33 Vic Willis 133 10 1 1 2 1 1 3 1 28 27 Dave Concepción 131 9 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 29T 31 Orlando Cepeda 126 11 2 2 1 1 3 1 1 29T 28 Burleigh Grimes 126 11 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 2 31 36 Dale Murphy 125 11 1 1 2 1 3 1 1 1 32 34 Larry Doyle 125 10 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 33 29 Rusty Staub 123 10 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 34 37 Elston Howard 122 12 2 1 1 1 1 4 1 1 35 32 Norm Cash 121 10 1 3 1 1 1 2 1 36 35 Bobby Bonds 117 11 1 2 1 1 2 3 1 37 41T Tommy John 100 7 1 1 1 1 2 1 38 38 Bob Elliott 93 9 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 39 39 Ben Taylor 89 7 1 1 1 2 2 40 41T Dave Bancroft 85 7 1 3 2 1 41 40 Carl Mays 80 8 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 42 44T Wally Schang 75 6 1 1 2 2 43 50 Don Mattingly 73 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 44 43 Bill Monroe 70 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 45 57 Don Newcombe 68 7 2 2 3 46 44T Chuck Klein 66 5 1 1 1 1 1 47 46T Vern Stephens 64 5 1 1 2 1 48 54T Pie Traynor 62 6 1 1 1 1 2 49 46T Rick Reuschel 60 5 1 1 1 2 50T 49 Lee Smith 60 4 2 1 1 50T 48 Frank Tanana 60 4 1 1 1 1 52 52T Sal Bando 59 5 3 1 1 53 52T Thurman Munson 57 5 1 1 1 1 1 54 56 Ed Williamson 54 4 1 1 1 1 55 51 Addie Joss 46 3 1 1 1 56T 54T Buddy Bell 45 4 2 1 1 56T 58 Frank Chance 45 4 1 1 1 1 58 63 Tony Oliva 45 3 1 1 1 59 62 Wilbur Cooper 44 3 1 1 1 60 64T Ernie Lombardi 43 4 1 1 1 1 61 83 Johnny Pesky 42 5 1 1 2 1 62T 60T George J. Burns 41 4 1 3 62T 59 Urban Shocker 41 4 1 1 1 1 64 60T Lefty Gomez 40 4 1 1 1 1 65T 64T Ed Cicotte 39 3 1 1 1 65T 64T Lance Parrish 39 3 1 1 1 67 67T Tony Mullane 33 3 2 1 68 74 Ron Cey 32 4 1 3 69T 70 Rabbit Maranville 32 3 1 1 1 69T 75T Leroy Matlock 32 3 1 1 1 71 77 Jack Quinn 31 3 1 2 72T 72 Jack Clark 29 3 1 1 1 72T 69 Al Rosen 29 3 1 1 1 74 73 Frank Howard 28 3 1 1 1 75 80 Bruce Sutter 27 3 1 1 1 76 67T Jimmy Ryan 27 2 1 1 77 79 Bobby Veach 26 3 2 1 78 75T Jim Kaat 24 2 2 79 71 Bill Mazeroski 22 2 1 1 80 81T Sam Rice 21 2 1 1 81 81T Fred Dunlap 20 2 2 82T 86T Brian Downing 17 1 1 82T 78 Luke Easter 17 1 1 84T 84T Jim Rice 16 2 1 1 84T 84T Dave Parker 16 2 2 86 86T Luis Aparicio 16 1 1 87 90T Sam Leever 13 1 1 88T 92T Hack Wilson 12 1 1 88T 89 Carlos Morán 12 1 1 88T 88 Dizzy Trout 12 1 1 91T 90T Fielder Jones 11 1 1 91T 92T Tony Lazzeri 11 1 1 93T 94T Tommy Bond 10 1 1 93T 94T Brett Butler 10 1 1 95T 94T Bert Campaneris 9 1 1 95T 94T Jim Fregosi 9 1 1 95T 94T Jack Morris 9 1 1 95T 100 Mickey Vernon 9 1 1 99 n/e Elmer Smith 8 1 1 100T 101 Charlie Hough 7 1 1 100T 101 George Kell 7 1 1 100T 101 Dick Lundy 7 1 1 100T 104 Gene Tenace 7 1 1 104T 104 Dutch Leonard 6 1 1 104T 104 Bill Madlock 6 1 1 104T n/e Dennis Martinez 6 1 1 104T n/e Al Oliver 6 1 1 Dropped Out: Wally Berger(94T), Dan Quisenberry(104), Tim Wallach(104). Ballots Cast: 54 John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 11, 2007 at 02:04 AM (#2519331)The Duke of Tralee finally gets in after all of these years on my ballot. Yahoo!
Not that I'm complaing, but Oms made some surge there.
HOF-not-HOM through 2004
Meaning, all of the members of the HOF-not-HOM as of 2004, not 2007.
1 Aparicio, Luis
2 Bancroft, Dave
3 Bender, Chief
4 Bottomley, Jim
5 Brock, Lou
6 Cepeda, Orlando
7 Chance, Frank
8 Chesbro, Jack
9 Combs, Earle
10 Cuyler, Kiki
11 Dandridge, Ray
12 Day, Leon
13 Dean, Dizzy
14 Duffy, Hugh
15 Evers, Johnny
16 Ferrell, Rick
17 Gomez, Lefty
18 Grimes, Burleigh
19 Hafey, Chick
20 Haines, Jesse
21 Hooper, Harry
22 Hoyt, Waite
23 Hunter, Catfish
24 Jackson, Travis
25 Johnson, Judy
26 Joss, Addie
27 Kell, George
28 Kelly, George
29 Klein, Chuck
30 Lazzeri, Tony
31 Lindstrom, Freddie
32 Lombardi, Ernie
33 Manush, Heinie
34 Maranville, Rabbit
35 Marquard, Rube
36 Mazeroski, Bill
37 McCarthy, Tommy
38 McGraw, John
39 Pennock, Herb
40 Perez, Tony
41 Puckett, Kirby
42 Rice, Sam
43 Rizzuto, Phil
44 Schalk, Ray
45 Schoendienst, Red
46 Smith, Hilton
47 Tinker, Joe
48 Traynor, Pie
49 Waner, Lloyd
50 Welch, Mickey
51 Willis, Vic
52 Wilson, Hack
53 Youngs, Ross
HOM-not-HOF
Meaning, all of the members of the HOM-not-HOF as of 2004, not 2007.
1 Allen, Dick
2 Barnes, Ross
3 Beckwith, John
4 Bennett, Charlie
5 Blyleven, Bert
6 Boyer, Ken
7 Brown, Ray
8 Brown, Willard
9 Caruthers, Bob
10 Childs, Cupid
11 Dahlen, Bill
12 Evans, Darrell
13 Evans, Dwight
14 Ferrell, Wes
15 Freehan, Bill
16 Glasscock, Jack
17 Gordon, Joe
18 Gore, George
19 Gossage, Rich
20 Grant, Frank
21 Grich, Bobby
22 Groh, Heinie
23 Hack, Stan
24 Hernandez, Keith
25 Hill, Pete
26 Hines, Paul
27 Jackson, Joe*
28 Johnson, Home Run
29 Jones, Charley
30 Keller, Charlie
31 Mackey. Biz
32 Magee, Sherry
33 McVey, Cal
34 Méndez, José
35 Minoso, Minnie
36 Moore, Dobie
37 Pearce, Dickey
38 Pierce, Billy
39 Pike, Lip
40 Randolph, Willie
41 Richardson, Hardy
42 Rose, Pete*
43 Sandberg, Ryne
44 Santo, Ron
45 Santop, Louis
46 Sheckard, Jimmy
47 Simmons, Ted
48 Start, Joe
49 Stieb, Dave
50 Stovey, Harry
51 Suttles, Mule
52 Sutton, Ezra
53 Torre, Joe
54 Trammell, Alan
55 Trouppe, Quincy
56 Torriente, Cristobal
57 Whitaker, Lou
58 White, Deacon
59 Wilson, Jud
60 Wynn, Jimmy
* not eligible for the HOF
Below is our first mock HOF vote:
Tommy John (7 votes) passes Dave Parker (2), though they were fairly even in Dec. '03
HoM-not-PHoM
1. Carey CF
2. Sisler 1B
3. Kiner DH
4. Thompson RF
5. Jennings SS
6. Jones LF
7. Bresnahan C
8. Ashburn 3B
9. Fox 2B
SP Foster
RP Fingers
PHoM-not-HoM
1. Leach CF
2. Clarkson 3B
3. Johnson LF
4. Cravath DH
5. Smith RF
6. Cash 1B
7. Howard C
8. Monroe 2B
9. Rizzuto SS
SP Redding
RP/Bench Van Haltren
I'd give me the edge on defense and probably batting average - they have more power in the heart of the order, and a big advantage in the bullpen.
43 of those 49 players score 10-15 points per vote.
More than 15 points - McGraw, Redding, Browning, Bridges.
With six #4 and #5 votes Bridges seems poised to move up. The other three have 5 or 6 "elect me" votes, although Redding with four #4 also seems poised to move up. Bridges and Redding may gain a little weight as "top pitcher" too.
Fewer than 10 points - Newcombe, Pesky
Average consensus score -8.8
ronw: -1
Mark Shirk: -1
Howie Menckel: -1
TomH: -2
Al Peterson: -3
DL from MN: -3
favre: -3
Chris Fluit: -3
John Murphy: -4
...
Tom D: -7 (median)
Rick A: -7 (median)
Chris Cobb: -8
KJOK: -8
...
Joe Dimino: -11
...
'zop: -14
fra paolo: -14
Rusty Priske: -14
rawagman: -14
OCF: -15 (unusual spot for me)
Got Melky: -15
Dan R: -16
Eric Chalek: -18
karlmagnus: -22
EricC: -25
yest: -28
Nothing that elaborate, David. Just a typo. :-)
I fixed the heading. Thanks!
I'd put money on it...NOT.
I do want to urge all the anti-Browning voters to take a good long look at Kirby Puckett this year! ;-)
I do think some detailed discussion of the OFers is in order--I mean, that's basically what there are, OF candidates. If Oms is going to continue his meteoric rise and leapfrog Browning, Puckett, Dawson and Johnson, I hope it is after some more analysis over these next 2 weeks.
And BTW Duffy, Cravath, R. Smith and poor old Hugh Duffy aren't far behind. Looks a lot like the old CF glut.
Who is the first Duffy, Marc? Duffy Dyer? Duffy Lewis? Frank Duffy? Duffy's Tavern?
;-)
all-time 'votes points' thru 2004 - those still eligible in 2005 election are in CAPS. electees are not in caps.
Beckley's dead, long live the new king Duffy (ok, he's dead, too, but work with me here)!
Duffy leapfrogs both Beckley and perpetual runnerup Van Haltren to grab the all-time lead. Browning, another star-crossed vote-getter, still is 5-6 "years" away from Beckley and may run out of time one way or the other.
TOP 10, ALL-TIME
DUFFY...... 25975.5
VAN HALTREN 25943.5
Beckley.... 25856
BROWNING... 24138.5
Childs..... 18484
Griffith... 17924
WELCH...... 17753
Waddell.... 17596
Jennings... 16976
REDDING.... 16504
And per Doc...I just can't seem to get my consensus score down for nuthin.' In my heart, I know I am a low-consensus guy.
Chris Duffy, 'cause he's just that scrappy.
HoMers in bold
non HoMers who have non playing credit to add (or is) to their hall of fame case
all HoFers with significant playing careers are included
1936
Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson
1937
Nap Lajoie, Tris Speaker, Cy Young , <u>Connie Mack </u>,<u>John McGraw</u>, George Wright
1938
Pete Alexander
1939
George Sisler , Eddie Collins , Willie Keeler , Lou Gehrig, Cap Anson , <u>Charlie Comiskey</u> , <u>Candy Cummings</u> , Buck Ewing , Charles Radbourn , Al Spalding
1942
Rogers Hornsby
1945
Roger Bresnahan , Dan Brouthers , Fred Clarke , Jimmy Collins , Ed Delahanty , Hugh Duffy , Hughie Jennings , King Kelly , Jim O’Rourke , <u>Wilbert Robinson </u>
1946
Jesse Burkett , <u>Frank Chance</u> , Jack Chesbro , <u>Johnny Evers</u> , , Clark Griffith, , Tommy McCarthy , Joe McGinnity , Eddie Plank , <u>Joe Tinker</u> , Rube Waddell , Ed Walsh
1947
Carl Hubbell , Frankie Frisch , Mickey Cochrane , Lefty Grove
1948
Herb Pennock , Pie Traynor
1949
Charlie Gehringer , Mordecai Brown , Kid Nichols
1951
Mel Ott , Jimmie Foxx
1952
Harry Heilmann , Paul Waner
1953
Al Simmons , Dizzy Dean , Chief Bender , Bobby Wallace , <u>Harry Wright </u>
1954
Rabbit Maranville , Bill Dickey , Bill Terry
1955
Joe DiMaggio , Ted Lyons , Dazzy Vance , Gabby Hartnett , Frank Baker , Ray Schalk
1956
Hank Greenberg , Joe Cronin
1957
Sam Crawford
1959
Zack Wheat
1961
Max Carey , Billy Hamilton
1962
Bob Feller , Jackie Robinson , <u>Bill McKechnie</u> , Edd Roush
1963
John Clarkson , Elmer Flick , Sam Rice , Eppa Rixey
1964
Luke Appling , Red Faber , Burleigh Grimes , <u>Miller Huggins</u> , Tim Keefe , Heinie Manush , Monte Ward
1965
Pud Galvin
1966
Ted Williams , <u>Casey Stengel </u>
1967
Red Ruffing , Lloyd Waner
1968
Joe Medwick , Kiki Cuyler , Goose Goslin
1969
Stan Musial, Roy Campanella , Stan Coveleski, Waite Hoyt,
1970
Lou Boudreau , Earle Combs , Jesse Haines,
1971
Dave Bancroft , Jake Beckley , Chick Hafey , Harry Hooper , Joe Kelley , Rube Marquard , Satchel Paige
1972
Sandy Koufax , Yogi Berra ,Early Wynn, Lefty Gomez , Ross Youngs , Josh Gibson , Buck Leonard
1973
Warren Spahn , George Kelly , Mickey Welch , Monte Irvin , Roberto Clemente
1974
Mickey Mantle , Whitey Ford , Jim Bottomley , Sam Thompson , Cool Papa Bell
1975
Ralph Kiner , Earl Averill , <u>Bucky Harris</u> , Billy Herman , Judy Johnson
1976
Robin Roberts, Bob Lemon , Roger Connor , Freddy Lindstrom , Oscar Charleston
1977
Ernie Banks ,Amos Rusie , Joe Sewell , <u>Al Lopez</u> , Martin Dihigo , Pop Lloyd
1978
Eddie Mathews, Addie Joss
1979
Willie Mays , Hack Wilson
1980
Al Kaline, Duke Snider, Chuck Klein
1981
Bob Gibson, Johnny Mize , Rube Foster
1982
Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, Travis Jackson
1983
Brooks Robinson, Juan Marichal, George Kell
1984
Luis Aparicio, Harmon Killebrew, Don Drysdale, <u>Rick Ferrell</u> , Pee Wee Reese
1985
Hoyt Wilhelm, Lou Brock, Enos Slaughter , Arky Vaughan
1986
Willie McCovey, Bobby Doerr, Ernie Lombardi
1987
Billy Williams, Catfish Hunter, Ray Dandridge
1988
Willie Stargell
1989
Johnny Bench, Carl Yastrzemski, <u>Red Schoendienst</u>
1990
Jim Palmer , Joe Morgan
1991
Rod Carew, Gaylord Perry, Fergie Jenkins , Tony Lazzeri
1992
Tom Seaver, Rollie Fingers, Hal Newhouser
1993
Reggie Jackson
1994
Steve Carlton, <u>Leo Durocher</u> , Phil Rizzuto
1995
Mike Schmidt, Leon Day , Vic Willis , Richie Ashburn
1996
Jim Bunning, Bill Foster , <u>Ned Hanlon </u>
1997
Phil Niekro, Nellie Fox, Willie Wells
1998
Don Sutton, George Davis , Larry Doby , Joe Rogan
1999
Nolan Ryan, George Brett, Robin Yount, Orlando Cepeda, Joe Williams
2000
Carlton Fisk, Tony Perez, Bid McPhee , Turkey Stearnes
2001
Dave Winfield, Kirby Puckett, Bill Mazeroski , Hilton Smith
2002
Ozzie Smith
2003
Eddie Murray, Gary Carter
2004
Paul Molitor, Dennis Eckersley
2005
Ryne Sandberg
2006
<u>Bruce Sutter</u>, Ray Brown, Willard Brown, Andy Cooper, Biz Mackey, Frank Grant, Pete Hill, Jose Mendez Louis Santop, <u>Ben Taylor</u>, Mule Suttles, Cristobal Torriente, Jud Wilson, <u>Sol White</u>
all-time 'votes points' thru 2004 - those still eligible in 2005 election are in CAPS. electees are not in caps.
Beckley's dead, long live the new king Duffy (ok, he's dead, too, but work with me here)!
Duffy leapfrogs both Beckley and perpetual runnerup Van Haltren to grab the all-time lead. Browning, another star-crossed vote-getter, still is 5-6 "years" away from Beckley and may run out of time one way or the other.... Bresnahan finishes 12th, longtime running mate Leach won't quite catch him thru 2007... Walters three pts shy of being our 26th and final 10,000-pt man.... Johnson and Oms continue rapid climbs... Williamson won't have quite enough oomph to take a top 50 slot from Sheckard thru 2007.... Not his real goal, but ReSmith does climb from just off the "top 50 active" list to 44th with a big year. Staub erases MGriffin from that list.
TOP 10, ALL-TIME
DUFFY...... 25975.5
VAN HALTREN 25943.5
Beckley.... 25856
BROWNING... 24138.5
Childs..... 18484
Griffith... 17924
WELCH...... 17753
Waddell.... 17596
Jennings... 16976
REDDING.... 16504
CJones..... 15875
Bresnahan.. 14965
TLEACH..... 14183
Sisler..... 13892
Pike....... 13399
Sewell..... 12769
Mendez..... 12555
RYAN....... 12478.5
Thompson... 12349
Roush...... 12005
Bennett.... 11503
Moore...... 10904
Rixey...... 10789
Caruthers.. 10704
CRAVATH.....10524
WALTERS......9997
Beckwith.... 9896
HStovey......9576
DOYLE....... 9222
Mackey.......8930
GRIMES.......8682
Start........8378.5
McGinnity....8232
DPearce......8073
BJOHNSON.....8036
McVey........7985.5
FGrant.......7969.5
Kiner........7746
OMS..........7741
Suttles......7690
NFox.........7587
Trouppe......7494
BMONROE......7330
WFerrell.....7259
CBell........6968
MCGRAW.......6947
Galvin.......6585
Keller.......6424
SCHANG.......6381
Sheckard.....6377
Others in active top 50
Williamson 6153, Willis 5191, Dean 4869, Elliott 4459, Joss 4441, Bridges 3955, BTaylor 3922, FChance 3538, CMays 3258, Traynor 3190, McCormick 3148x, SRice 3082, NCash 3079, Cepeda 3061, Rizzuto 3015, Cicotte 2988, TPerez 2985, Tiernan 2692X, FJones 2565, Brock 2492, Veach 2285, Klein 2269, Tiant 2204, GJBurns 2195, Stephens 2136, EHoward 2127, Mullane 2110, ReSmith 1950, Dunlap 1948, Lombardi 1940, BoBonds 1920, Poles 1842X, Hooper 1792X, Staub 1788
(just missed)
Singleton 1710, Bancroft 1693, Nettles 1649, Lundy 1561 (BClarkson 1300)
106 Charley Jones
86 Jake Beckley
84 Roger Bresnahan
82 Cupid Childs
71 Rube Waddell
61 Edd Roush
60 Clark Griffith
60 Dobie Moore
54 José Méndez
53 Hughie Jennings
47 Joe Sewell
44 George Sisler
43 Lip Pike
40 Charlie Keller
Waddell and Sewell represent another extreme, the comeback.
Sum of (Points/Ballots) for every year, divided by number of elections eligible for. That would at least put everyone on an equal plane. Would probably hurt the modern candidates actually, since the backlogs are a lot deeper.
Not sure if there's a good way to 'era' adjust for this . . .
The voting from the past five elections is added with updated InductedYear columns for all previous years. I also fixed a problem with three candidates who were listed as having two FirstBallotYears (Foutz,Burns,WFoster) due to previous name conflicts. The files are named:
2004HOM_CandidateVotesPerYear.txt
2004HOM_SumCandidateVotes.txt
and are found here:
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/HallofMerit/files/
Please let me know if there are any errors or other problems.
Also, feel free to ask if there are any additional tags (columns) that would be helpful.
To workaround this, a global search-and-replace on the letter pairs (á/a, é/e, ó/o, etc) can be done while the files are still simple text.
I wouldn't mind doing this on my end, but I don't know if anyone needs those accents now for backward compatibility issues.
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