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Tuesday, February 27, 2007

2007 BBTF Veterans Committee Composite Results: It’s Harvey and Miller!

Umpire supreme Doug Harvey collected an impressive 79% from the BBTF group.

Legendary MLBPA leader Marvin Miller also nabbed 79% from the electorate.

Famed Kansas City and St. Louis manager Whitey Herzog missed induction narrowly with his 71%. He was selected by the HoM voters with a comfortable 79% of the vote (that group also picked Harvey and Miller, though the latter had a little more support).

Thanks to all who participated!

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RK   LY  Player            PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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1T  n/e  Doug Harvey        22   22   9  5  6  1     1                           
1T  n/e  Marvin Miller      22   22   3  6  5  4  1  3                           
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 3  n/e  Whitey Herzog      20   20   3  4  5  6  2                              
 4  n/e  Walter O'Malley    17   17   2  2  3  2  3  2  3                        
 5  n/e  Dick Williams      14   14      2  1  3  1  5     2                     
 6  n/e  Harry Dalton       10   10   7  1  2                                    
 7  n/e  Billy Martin        8    8   1  1  1  2  3                              
 8  n/e  Charlie Finley      4    4      2     1        1                        
 9  n/e  Buzzie Bavasi       3    3   1  1        1                              
10T n/e  Bowie Kuhn          2    2      1        1                              
10T n/e  Gabe Paul           2    2            1        1                        
10T n/e  Bill White          2    2         1     1                              
13T n/e  Paul Richards       1    1            1                                 
13T n/e  Phil Wrigley        1    1                     1                        
No Votes: August Busch Jr.(n/e).
Ballots Cast: 28

Hall of Merit Group

RK   LY  Player            PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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 1  n/e  Marvin Miller      16   16   2  3  3  4  1  3                           
2T  n/e  Doug Harvey        15   15   5  5  5                                    
2T  n/e  Whitey Herzog      15   15   3  2  5  4  1                              
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 4  n/e  Walter O'Malley    12   12         2  2  3  2  3                        
 5  n/e  Dick Williams      11   11      2     2  1  4     2                     
 6  n/e  Harry Dalton        8    8   7  1                                       
 7  n/e  Billy Martin        7    7      1  1  2  3                              
 8  n/e  Buzzie Bavasi       3    3   1  1        1                              
9T  n/e  Charlie Finley      2    2      2                                       
9T  n/e  Gabe Paul           2    2            1        1                        
9T  n/e  Bill White          2    2         1     1                              
12T n/e  Bowie Kuhn          1    1      1                                       
12T n/e  Paul Richards       1    1            1                                 
12T n/e  Phil Wrigley        1    1                     1                        
No Votes: August Busch Jr.(n/e).
Ballots Cast: 19

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: February 27, 2007 at 12:18 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: February 27, 2007 at 01:02 AM (#2303676)

Congratulations to Doug and Marvin!

2. Mark Shirk (jsch) Posted: February 27, 2007 at 03:40 AM (#2303723)

i think I am the only HOM guy not to have voted for Harvey (I coudl be wrong, how many votes were there?), but I can't say that his election would anger me any. I just have no idea how to measure an umpire. Maybe it was my mistake not to vote for him.

This whoel process does make me want to do a Manager/GM wing of the HOM, however.

3. Daryn Posted: February 27, 2007 at 03:49 AM (#2303728)

19 HoM voters.

4. Chris Cobb Posted: February 27, 2007 at 12:44 PM (#2303775)

I would have liked to have voted, and the discussion thread certainly provided enough commentary for an informed judgment, but I ended up not having time to review it thoroughly. Without a well-developed system to rely upon in for making an initial placement, I found approaching a vote _much_ harder!

5. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: February 27, 2007 at 12:49 PM (#2303776)

i think I am the only HOM guy not to have voted for Harvey (I coudl be wrong, how many votes were there?),

Three others left him off, Mark.

6. DL from MN Posted: February 27, 2007 at 07:15 PM (#2304020)

Harvey and Miller topped the HoF ballot but neither got in.

7. DL from MN Posted: February 27, 2007 at 07:19 PM (#2304023)

Results of the 2007 Composite Ballot (61 needed for election): Harvey (52 votes, 64.2%), Marvin Miller (51, 63%), Walter O’Malley (36, 44.4%), Buzzie Bavasi (30, 37%), Dick Williams (30, 37%), Whitey Herzog (29, 35.8%), Bill White (24, 29.6%), Bowie Kuhn (14, 17.3%), August Busch Jr. (13, 16%), Billy Martin (12, 14.8%), Charley O. Finley (10, 12.3%), Gabe Paul (10, 12.3%), Paul Richards (10, 12.3%), Phil Wrigley (9, 11.1%) and Harry Dalton (8, 9.9%).

8. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

Posted: February 27, 2007 at 07:25 PM (#2304025)

If The Brooklyn Strangler isn't Hallworthy, the bar for owners must be about a mile above Ron Santo's and Joe Gordon's heads---and I voted for both of them.

9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 27, 2007 at 08:52 PM (#2304097)

You make the call!

10. sunnyday2 Posted: February 27, 2007 at 08:53 PM (#2304099)

If I were a BBWAA voter, I would submit blank ballots from now on until the VC elects somebody.

I've got it. No more HoF voting of any sort. Just shut 'er down. Then the prima donna m**************ers who are already in won't have to share their precious honor with anybody else, like Michael Jackson in Disneyland. That, my friends, is Cooperstown 2007: Michael Jackson in Disneyland. A bunch of loony m****************ers, just a loony f***ing bin.

11. DL from MN Posted: March 01, 2007 at 04:57 PM (#2305211)

It's interesting how we seem to agree with the HoF voters that Harvey, Miller and O'Malley are the top candidates. They prefer Williams to Herzog, we're the opposite but we both picked them as the top managers. We support Dalton and they support Bavasi among GMs.

I think Harvey, Miller and O'Malley is probably correct. Nobody else really stands out above the rest. I'm a "small hall" guy for non-players.

12. Paul Wendt Posted: March 02, 2007 at 04:03 AM (#2305675)

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Numbers of ballots (of 28) with at least n votes.
28 ; zero
26 25 24 21 13 ; one to five
11 5 2 0 0 ; six to ten

One interpretation is votes for how many people should be elected. That is, 21 people vote for electing at least four candidates; 28-21=7 vote against electing so many as four.

According to both the 50% and the 75% rules (14 or 28 votes needed), the "winner" is four.

13. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: March 02, 2007 at 02:28 PM (#2305767)

I'm a "small hall" guy for non-players.

Seems wise to do so until someone figures out some high-quality ways to determine merit for these guys.

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