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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Tuesday, December 04, 20072008 Results: Raines, Lundy and Saberhagen Send Off the Hall of Merit’s Old Election Schedule!In his first year of eligibility, leadoff superstar Tim Raines collected a hefty 98% of all possible points for induction into the Hall of Merit. Legendary NeL shortstop Dick Lundy won election after 65 previous attempts with 32% of all possible points, a big increase since he was in 16th place in the last election. Last but not least, ace pitcher Bret Saberhagen earned 29% of all possible points in his 4th year of eligibility. Rounding out the top-ten were: Reggie Smith, Bucky Walters, Tommy Leach, John McGraw (big jump!), Cannonball Dick Redding, Kirby Puckett and Bob Johnson. RK LY Player PTS Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 n/e Tim Raines 1172 50 46 2 1 1 2 16 Dick Lundy 389 25 5 2 1 2 5 2 2 2 2 2 3 4 Bret Saberhagen 344 24 1 3 6 3 1 1 2 1 1 1 2 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 5 Reggie Smith 319 23 1 4 3 1 1 3 1 2 1 3 2 1 5 7 Bucky Walters 287 21 2 3 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 4 6 8 Tommy Leach 275 20 3 2 2 2 2 1 1 3 2 2 7 15 John McGraw 273 17 2 4 1 3 1 1 1 2 1 1 8 6 Cannonball Dick Redding 272 18 1 4 2 1 1 1 1 2 3 2 9 10 Kirby Puckett 260 19 1 2 1 1 3 1 1 1 1 4 1 2 10 9 Bob Johnson 249 19 1 1 2 1 1 2 4 1 3 1 1 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 11 Gavvy Cravath 226 18 1 1 2 4 3 3 1 3 12 13 Luis Tiant 223 18 2 1 2 2 4 1 1 2 3 13 14 Phil Rizzuto 221 18 3 2 2 1 3 1 1 1 1 2 1 14 17 Hugh Duffy 219 15 2 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 2 15 20 David Cone 208 17 1 1 6 1 1 2 1 1 1 2 16 21 Ken Singleton 198 15 4 2 1 2 3 2 1 17 12 Tony Perez 182 11 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 18 19 Bus Clarkson 177 13 2 2 2 2 1 1 2 1 19 39 Dizzy Dean 172 11 3 2 2 1 1 1 1 20 31 Vic Willis 169 10 2 2 4 1 1 21 22 Tommy Bridges 161 10 1 4 1 1 1 1 1 22 23 Dave Concepción 157 13 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 23 28 Don Newcombe 150 14 2 3 1 2 2 3 1 24 24 Burleigh Grimes 150 12 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 25 18 George Van Haltren 147 9 1 1 1 4 1 1 26 33 Lou Brock 142 10 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 27 27 Mickey Welch 141 10 1 2 2 2 1 1 1 28 32 Dale Murphy 135 12 2 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 29 29 Rick Reuschel 132 9 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 30 25 Albert Belle 125 11 1 1 2 3 1 1 1 1 31 35 Elston Howard 118 12 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 32 37 Norm Cash 118 10 1 1 1 4 1 2 33 38 Bobby Bonds 111 9 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 34 36 Bob Elliott 110 10 3 2 1 2 2 35 30 Tommy John 109 7 1 1 1 3 1 36 34 Larry Doyle 99 7 3 1 1 1 1 37 26 Rusty Staub 90 8 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 38 42 Lee Smith 86 6 1 1 1 1 2 39 43 Carl Mays 84 6 1 1 2 1 1 40 49 Ed Williamson 80 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 41 40 Wally Schang 80 5 1 1 1 1 1 42 44 Pie Traynor 79 8 1 1 2 1 1 2 43 47 Ben Taylor 79 7 1 1 2 1 2 44 41 Bill Monroe 73 5 1 1 1 1 1 45 51 Vern Stephens 67 5 1 1 1 1 1 46 58 Johnny Pesky 63 7 1 1 2 1 1 1 47 45 Bert Campaneris 62 5 1 1 1 1 1 48 48 Dave Bancroft 60 5 2 2 1 49 46 Orlando Cepeda 57 5 1 1 1 2 50 56T Ernie Lombardi 55 4 1 1 2 51 50 Sal Bando 53 4 1 2 1 52 72T Urban Shocker 52 5 2 2 1 53T 52 Chuck Klein 50 4 1 1 1 1 53T 59 Leroy Matlock 50 4 1 2 1 55 74 Fred Dunlap 48 4 1 2 1 56T 70 Ed Cicotte 48 3 1 1 1 56T 61 Wilbur Cooper 48 3 1 1 1 58 76T Lefty Gomez 46 5 1 2 1 1 59 54 Lance Parrish 46 4 1 3 60 55 Frank Tanana 46 3 1 1 1 61 71 Al Rosen 45 4 1 1 1 1 62 60 Bruce Sutter 44 4 1 1 1 1 63 78T George J. Burns 40 4 1 2 1 64 56T Tony Mullane 40 3 1 1 1 65 66 Jimmy Ryan 38 3 1 1 1 66 72T Frank Chance 37 3 1 1 1 67 53 Addie Joss 37 2 1 1 68T 62 Thurman Munson 36 3 1 1 1 68T 65 Jack Quinn 36 3 1 1 1 70 63T Buddy Bell 35 2 1 1 71 75 Jim Kaat 34 3 1 2 72 67T Dwight Gooden 29 3 2 1 73T 80 Jim Rice 27 3 1 1 1 73T 67T Rabbit Maranville 27 3 1 1 1 75 82T Luis Aparicio 27 2 1 1 76T n/e Luke Easter 23 1 1 76T 82T Tony Oliva 23 1 1 78 69 Sam Rice 22 3 1 1 1 79 78T Dave Parker 22 2 2 80 101 Bobby Veach 21 2 1 1 81 81 Frank Howard 19 2 1 1 82 85 Jim McCormick 18 2 1 1 83 n/e Chuck Finley 17 1 1 84 82T Brian Downing 16 1 1 85 86 Jose Canseco 15 1 1 86T 97T Tony Lazzeri 14 2 1 1 86T 63T Don Mattingly 14 2 1 1 88 87 Jack Clark 14 1 1 89T 88T Sam Leever 13 1 1 89T 90T Carlos Morán 13 1 1 91 90T Dizzy Trout 12 1 1 92T 93T Fielder Jones 10 1 1 92T n/e Gene Tenace 10 1 1 94T 101 Elmer Smith 9 1 1 94T 97T Jack Morris 9 1 1 96T 93T Tommy Bond 8 1 1 96T n/e Jack Fournier 8 1 1 96T 93T Virgil Trucks 8 1 1 99T 101 Charlie Hough 7 1 1 99T n/e Mickey Vernon 7 1 1 101T n/e Ron Cey 6 1 1 101T 97T Dom DiMaggio 6 1 1 101T 101 Jim Fregosi 6 1 1 101T n/e Orel Hershiser 6 1 1 Dropped Out: Harold Baines(76T), Tony Fernandez(90T), Hack Wilson(88T), George Kell(97T), Bill Madlock(101), Al Oliver(106), Paul O'Neill(93T). Ballots Cast: 50 Thanks to OCF and Ron for helping me out with the tally today. Thanks to Patrick W for lending a helping hand today, too. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy
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1. David Concepcion de la Desviacion Estandar (Dan R) Posted: December 04, 2007 at 03:05 AM (#2633155)Plaques will up sometime this week.
To everyone:
Though I understand the urge to make a valedictory speech or even a requiem for the end of our normal election schedule, I'd rather not. I expect to see everyone of you at our next election next year around this time, not to mention our annual mock HOF election coming up in a few weeks. Plus, we should be busy with other projects. It will be different, but exciting, too.
With that said, I think it's appropriate to thank a few people. Number one on that list has to be Joe Dimino, who awakened my semi-dormant love of baseball back in 2002 with his marvelous idea and for being a good guy. I also thank him for allowing me an important role in the process. It might have been taxing at times, but I don't regret the journey.
Thanks also go to Jim Furtado and Dan Szymborski for allowing us to house the HoM and for their help throughout the years.
My job would have been that much more difficult without the help of Ryan Wagman and yest on the plaques, OCF's and Ron Wargo's tallies, David Foss's cap standings, Dan Greenia's necrologies and Evan Reich's ingenious tally spreadsheet.
Here are some other people, current and long gone, who have made the Hall of Merit what it is today. Each have played no small role in shaping our institution. I probably missed a few and I apologize for that, because they also deserve recognition. In alphabetical order:
Adam Schaefer
AJM
Al Peterson
Andrew M
andrew siegel
Ardo
Bleacher
Brad G.
Brad Harris
Brent
Brian Hodes
Buddha
Carl Goetz
Casey Elston
caspian88
Chocaholic
Chris Cobb
Chris Fluit
Chris Jaffe/Dag Nabbit
Cliff Blau
Clint
ColinM
Craig Burley
Craig K
dan b
Dan Moore
Dan Passner
Dan Rosenheck
Daryn
Dave Roberts :-)
David C. Jones
Dean Carrano
Devin McCullen
Dick Thompson :-)
DL from MN
Don F
Dr. Feelgood
Ed/The Good Samaritan
Eric Chalek
Eric Enders
EricC
Esteban Rivera
favre
fra paolo
Gadfly
Gary Ashwill
got melky?
Guapo
Harold Thurmer :-)
Howie Menckel
James Newburg
Jason Koral
Jeff McFarland
jhwinfrey
Jim Sp
jimd
John C
jonesy
JP Caillault
Juan V
Justin B
karlmagnus
Kelly/mulder and scully
Ken Fischer
Kenn
KJOK
kwarren
Lennox HC
Marc/sunnyday2
Mark Donelson
Mark McKinniss/Dolf Lucky
Mark Shirk
Matt/PhillyBooster
MattB
Max Parkinson
mbdlmbdl/Martin
Michael Bass
MichaelD
Mike Emeigh
Mike Webber
NeverJustaGame
Patrick W
Paul Wendt
Phillip
rdfc
redsox 1912
Rick A.
Rick G
rico varian
RMc
Rob Wood
robc
Robert Dudek
Rusty Priske
Satchel
Sean Gilman
Sean M
Seaver1969
Shawn Weaver
Silver King
Stephen
Steve Cameron
SWW
Tanketra
Thane of Bagarath
thebigeasy
Tiboreau
Toby
Tom D
Tom Hanrahan
Trevor P
Vaux
Wallbanger
Yardape
Zapatero
zop
?ïß?rêŵ /The Ersline Thomason of UBW
I have either corresponded with many of them or have met them in person. I thank them for their service, their friendship and for their kind words about my function here.
Lurkers such as David Johnson, jingoist, Andy, Jon Daly and countless others should also be recognized for their encouragement and for adding tidbits and anecdotes to the discussion.
See you guys in a few weeks!
I had started off this cycle saying that I hoped Rick Reuschel would pull a Nettles. Instead, it was Dick Lundy!
I think we did right to put it an "arm" and a "glove" instead of a second bat after Raines, but I feel like we could have used more deliberation this time. Fortunately and unfortunately, we'll have (if not all the time in the world) a lot more time to get ready for the 2009 election.
John, your job has at times seemed thankless, but each and every voter thanks you for your absolutely gigantic contribution. If there's a metaHOM, you are a first-ballot, unanimous inductee.
Thank you for everything!
Yeah.
It looks like what happens when you try to post a table,
but forget (or mess up) all the pre tags.
This non-voter thanks you too. Great job well done.
Next time we meet at a SABR convention, or maybe it will be a Jerry Malloy, the first beer is on me.
And the opening theme is the Hall of Merit.
all-time 'votes points' thru 2008 - those still eligible in 2009 election are in CAPS. electees are not in caps.
It took 'til the last election, but congrats to ol' Ed Williamson for finally overtaking Jimmy Sheckard for the 50th and final slot!
in a way, these are most-oft debated candidates
TOP 10, ALL-TIME
DUFFY...... 26833.5
VAN HALTREN 26653.5
Beckley.... 25856
Browning... 24502.5
Childs..... 18484
WELCH...... 18328
Griffith... 17924
Waddell.... 17596
REDDING.... 17538
Jennings... 16976
CJones..... 15875
TLEACH..... 15141
Bresnahan.. 14965
Sisler..... 13892
Pike....... 13399
Sewell..... 12769
RYAN....... 12612.5
Mendez..... 12555
Thompson... 12349
Roush...... 12005
Bennett.... 11503
CRAVATH.....11444
WALTERS.....11064
Moore...... 10904
Rixey...... 10789
Caruthers.. 10704
Beckwith.... 9896
DOYLE....... 9671
HStovey......9576
GRIMES.......9269
BJOHNSON.....9085
Mackey.......8930
AOms.........8385
Start........8378.5
McGinnity....8232
DPearce......8073
McVey........7985.5
FGrant.......7969.5
MCGRAW.......7848
Kiner........7746
Suttles......7690
BMONROE......7617
NFox.........7587
Trouppe......7494
WFerrell.....7259
CBell........6968
SCHANG.......6721
Galvin.......6585
Keller.......6424
WILLIAMSON...6421
Others in active top 50
Willis 5746, Dean 5474, Elliott 4898, Joss 4620, Bridges 4586, BTaylor 4264, Rizzuto 3876, TPerez 3867, FChance 3670, CMays 3581, Traynor 3526, NCash 3502, Cepeda 3405, McCormick 3194, SRice 3185, Cicotte 3127, ReSmith 3105, Tiant 3048, Brock 2974, Tiernan 2692X, EHoward 2616, FJones 2606, Klein 2494, Singleton 2463, Stephens 2379, Veach 2367, BoBonds 2362, GJBurns 2338, Mullane 2261, Staub 2248, Lombardi 2129, BClarkson 2127, Dunlap 2084, Bancroft 1959, Poles 1842X
A ton of thanks to John for all the hard work, and putting up with 52 squabbling kids, especially those of us who put off getting our homework done until the last minute. :)
And thanks to Joe for coming up with the idea in the first place.
Same time next year!
Same time next year!
Any time. If any of you ever get up to Toronto, it would be a pleasure to meet up for a beer or a game, as the season allows. Of those of you who live in Toronto (Max, Daryn, etc...) the invitation is open to you as well. All the best and job well done.
Slow and steady finishes 50th?
Everyone who beat him in 1898 is in, so he led the "final backlog" that year.
As Reggie Smith leads in 2008.
And xxx knows how many between.
And it seems like every year around this time the NY-area contingent makes noises about meeting up, but nothing ever comes of it (and I'm as guilty as anybody on that score).
I don't know if I was ever anybody's best friend, really. I supported some of the more fiercely debated 19C guys--Caruthers, Pearce, Pike, Jennings. And there was Dobie Moore. Ask anybody who their best friends were and they probably wouldn't think of me, and perhaps rightfully so. karl and John were huge supporters of some of the 19C guys in particular.
Some guys I'm proud of having supported, however--because they weren't obvious to a lot of voters, they weren't easy--would include (all #s of years are consecutively, I supported many of these guys in other non-consecutive elections as well):
Hughie Jennings--I voted for Hughie 53 years in a row until he was finall elected in 1960
Pete Browning--49 years in a row until elected in 2005
Rube Waddell--49 years through his election in 1986
Tommy Bond--48 years from 1927-1974 and 11 years in a row previous to that, and he was back on again the last decade or so
Addie Joss--45 years; well, okay, I'm not so proud of his; I loved his ERA+ but eventually decided ERA+ is over-rated
George Sisler--44 years through his election in 1979
Dobie Moore--44 years through his election in 1991
Ed Williamson--39 years in a row through 1951, and later another 15 years, and then another 16 years right up to 2008
Mendez--34 years through 1985, but I'll be damned if I can think of his first name any more: Sergio? And his HoM cap says Brasil 66, right?
Larry Doyle--34 right up through 2008
Charley Jones--30 years from 1913-42, and another 16 years leading up to his election
In the 20s (20-29 consecutive years on my ballot)--Bennett 23, Sam Thompson 28, harry Wright 21, Parce 25, Childs 20, Kiner 27, Roush 23 (earlier I had him for 12 consecutive years as well).
10-19 years--McVey 17, Pike 19 and then another 16, Start 13, Jim McCormick 12 (seriously under-rated), Caruthers 15, Suttles 11, W. Brown 19, Joe Gordon 11, Minoso 10, Fox 15, Keller 12, Fingers 10, Newcombe 12, Rizutto 13.
So those were the guys I supported who weren't easy or obvious. I would say my favorite players on this list at least would be Dobie Moore and Ed Williamson. I don't think Dobie would have gotten elected if it hadn't been for me, but who knows. Williamson might have done better if I'd kept my mouth shut ;-)
Goiing into this I never would have imagined voting for Pike, Start, Bennett, Pearce, Keller, Newcombe, Rizzuto. Thanks to those of you who insisted that we needed to learn about those players.
And of course I'd like to thank John once again for all of his hard work. My time to contribute has fluctuated wildly since the first days back in 2001. I'm on my 3rd job since then, I've moved 3 times, bought a house, sold it and then jumped halfway across the country. The Hall of Merit did not miss a beat through all of that, and John Murphy is the main reason why.
The rest of you guys are the other reasons why we didn't miss a beat. Wow, that's a lot of names on John's list! 117 to be exact. I thank each and every one of you for making this such a fun and educational project. I've made a lot of friends through this, and if any of you are ever passing through Champaign, IL, let me know and I'll buy you a beer.
This whole project started because I wasn't sure if my favorite player growing up, Andre Dawson should be in the Hall of Fame. I didn't want to be a homer (pun intended) and just blindly advocate him, I wanted to know whether or not he really belonged after taking out the mistakes was he still good enough?
According to this group he was good enough.
But who would have thunk that one of my other favorite players (there were four), Willie Randolph was also qualified? And he went in before Dawson to boot.
As John said, I expect each of you back for the 2009 election. If you could maintain 25 ballots a year for four years, you can do one ballot a year the rest of the way. That's nothing!
I'd like to start with ranking the HoM not HoF players after the holidays, and I think real life has settled down enough that I can step back into running things day to day and give John a break, as there will be much less to do with that than what we've been doing.
I really haven't thought about how we'll rank them - the "Survivor Island" method has something to be said for it, but I'd like to be finished in time for the 2009 election. Maybe start with ranking them by era? Who knows, lots of ideas. I'll start a thread to discuss them, I don't think this is the best place for that.
Also, I'd like to focus on the "Santo" letters. Would anyone be interested in helping? Need to track down addresses for one, I don't have good sources for things like ex-baseball star addresses :-)
Thanks again everyone - this has been a great ride, and I'm beyond thrilled with the end result.
"Elect me" positions:
Glasscock (1904), Radbourn (1905), Hamilton (1907), Delahanty (1909), Nichols (1911), Burkett (1912), Dahlen (1915), Davis (1915), Stovey (1916), Young (1917), Clarke (1917), Kelley (1919), Keeler (1919), Walsh (1920), Bennett (1921), Lajoie (1922), Mathewson (1922), Wagner (1923), Crawford (1923), Plank (1923), G. Johnson (1925), Magee (1926), J. Jackson (1927), Baker (1928), Sheckard (1930), Santop (1932), W. Johnson (1933), Wheat (1933), Cobb (1934), E. Collins (1935), Alexander (1936), J. Williams (1936), Torriente (1937), Heilmann (1937), Coveleski (1938), Faber (1939), Rogan (1940), Ruth (1941), Hornsby (1941), Vance (1942), Charleston (1943), Cochrane (1943), Gehrig (1944), Goslin (1945), Stearnes (1946), Simmons (1946), Grove (1947), Hartnett (1947), Gehringer (1948), J. Wilson (1948), Hubbell (1949), Waner (1950), Dihigo (1950), Foxx (1951), Cronin (1951), J. Gibson (1952), Ott (1952), Greenberg (1953), Dickey (1953), Vaughan (1954), Wells (1954), Leonard (1955), R. Brown (1955), Appling (1956), DiMaggio (1957), Beckwith (1957), Hack (1958), Paige (1959), Mize (1959), Newhouser (1960), J. Robinson (1962), Feller (1962), Campanella (1963), Reese (1964), Doby (1965), Slaughter (1965), Williams (1966), Ruffing (1966), Medwick (1967), Musial (1969), Berra (1969), Snider (1970), Spahn (1971), Roberts (1972), Ford (1973), Mantle (1974), Mathews (1974), Banks (1977), Clemente (1978), Mays (1979), Kaline (1980), Santo (1980), B. Gibson (1981), Killebrew (1981), Aaron (1982), F. Robinson (1982), B. Williams (1983), Allen (1983), Torre (1984), Mendez (1985), McCovey (1986), Pierce (1987), Stargell (1988), Bench (1989), Yastrzemski (1989), Perry (1989), Morgan (1990), Palmer (1990), Jenkins (1990), Carew (1991), Seaver (1992), Carlton (1993), R. Jackson (1993), Niekro (1994), T. Simmons (1994), D. Sutton (1994), Schmidt (1995), Trouppe (1995), Hernandez (1996), J. Wynn (1996), Blyleven (1998), G. Carter (1998), Brett (1999), Yount (1999), Fisk (1999), Ryan (2000), Gossage (2000), Whitaker (2001), Winfield (2001), Smith (2002), Trammell (2002), Stieb (2002), Murray (2003), Sandberg (2003), Molitor (2004), Boggs (2005), W. Clark (2006), Ripken (2007), Gwynn (2007), McGwire (2007), Raines (2008)
#2 (in an elect-1 year): E. Sutton (1908), Galvin (1910), McPhee (1913), Flick (1918)
#3: Wallace (1929), Speaker (1934), Lloyd (1935), Rixie (1968), Bunning (1977), Wilhelm (1977), Grich (1992)
#4: Start (1912), Groh (1938), Frisch (1944), Marichal (1980), Freehan (1985), Rose (1993), Da. Evans (1995), Saberhagen (2008)
#5: Rusie (1904), Lyons (1949), Boudreau (1958)
#6: Richardson (1905), Spalding (1906), 3F Brown (1925), Terry (1942), Wynn (1970)
#7: Grant (1926), McGinnity (1928), Drysdale (1975), B. Robinson (1984), Dw. Evans (1997)
#8: Carey (1939), W. Foster (1945), W. Ferrell (1964)
#9: Averill (1961), Kiner (1987)
#10: McVey (1914), J. Collins (1921), Suttles (1956), Randolph (2001)
#11: Koufax (1972), Mackey (1974), Sewell (1985), Boyer (1991)
#12: Minoso (1987), Eckersley (2004)
#13:
#14: Ashburn (1968), Fingers (2000)
#15: R. Foster (1932), Irvin (1963)
Off-ballot positions:
#17: B. Herman (1958), W. Brown (1976)
#19: Thompson (1929), Bell (1973)
#20: Beckley (1998), Nettles (2006)
#21: Caruthers (1930), Gordon (1976)
#24: Pearce (1931)
#25: Sisler (1979)
#26: Childs (1989
#28: Doerr (1972)
#30: Oms (2006)
Not listed: Pike (1940), Jennings (1960), Griffith (1971), Waddell (1986), Keller (1996), Fox (1997), Roush (1997), Jones (2003), Bresnahan (2004), Browning (2005), Dawson (2006), Lundy (2007).
Waddell did appear on my ballots for 27 years, from 1916 through 1942, peaking at #4 in 1929; however, he had slipped to about #31 or so by the year of his election. Griffith appeared on my ballot from 1924 through 1926, as high as #5. Fox never appeared on my ballot, but he debuted at #17 for me before sliding downward. Roush appeared on my ballot for 11 years, from 1937 through 1947, as high as #8. Jones never appeared on my ballot. Bresnahan appeared on my ballot from 1921 through 1940, getting as high as #4. Browning appeared on my ballot from 1904 though 1916, getting as high as #5. The others never appeared in my top 30.
Everyone that I've ever put into an "elect me" position has eventually been elected, with four exceptions: George Van Haltren, Larry Doyle, Tommy Bridges, and Luis Tiant. And it was only once each with Bridges and Tiant.
Devin McCullen: -7
Rusty Priske: -8
Howie Menckel: -8
Jim Sp: -8
DL from MN: -9
Chris Fluit: -9
Mike Webber: -9
Andrew M: -9
Al Peterson: -9
Dan R: -10
favre: -10
zop: -10
andrew siegel: -10
TomH: -10
Sean Gilman: -10
jimd: -10
Kenn: -10
ronw: -11
mulder & scully: -11
Got Melky: -12
rawagman: -12
sunnyday2: -12
dan b: -12
Max Parkinson: -12
Mark Donelson: -12
-- 2008 median --
Joe Dimino: -12
Juan V: -12
John Murphy: -12
Rick A: -13
Rob Wood: -13
Brent: -13
AJM: -13
Eric Chalek: -14
Don F: -14
Chris Cobb: -14
KJOK: -14
OCF: -14
David Foss: -14
Tiboreau: -14
Esteban Rivera: -15
Ken Fischer: -15
SWW: -16
DanG: -16
Tom D: -18
Daryn: -19
rico vanian: -20
Patrick W: -21
EricC: -23
karlmagnus: -27
Adam Schafer: -30
1921 + 4.8
1922 +14.9
1923 +15.8
1924 +13.2
1925 + 5.3
1926 + 0.9
1927 + 3.3
1928 + 4.0
1929 - 0.5
1930 - 0.4
1931 - 3.4
1932 + 1.1
1933 + 5.2
1934 +21.9
1935 +15.8
1936 +15.3
1937 + 4.9
1938 - 4.5
1939 - 8.5
1940 - 7.0
1941 + 5.2
1942 - 9.0
1943 + 9.8
1944 + 9.2
1945 - 2.7
1946 + 6.9
1947 + 8.9
1948 + 5.5
1949 + 1.8
1950 + 8.4
1951 + 6.5
1952 +11.6
1953 + 8.1
1954 + 3.7
1955 + 3.9
1956 + 0.2
1957 - 1.2
1958 -10.3
1959 + 1.0
1960 - 9.9
1961 -13.8
1962 - 1.9
1963 - 4.6
1964 -12.2
1965 -10.9
1966 - 6.4
1967 -15.0
1968 -15.4
1969 + 1.9
1970 - 7.6
1971 - 7.8
1972 - 6.7
1973 -10.2
1974 + 1.8
1975 -13.2
1976 -14.5
1977 - 7.3
1978 - 3.8
1979 - 7.3
1980 + 0.5
1981 - 1.1
1982 + 3.1
1983 - 5.5
1984 -10.4
1985 -15.0
1986 - 7.9
1987 -16.3
1988 -11.9
1989 +10.4
1990 + 4.3
1991 - 9.4
1992 - 3.2
1993 +11.4
1994 - 2.9
1995 - 9.6
1996 -19.0
1997 -20.4
1998 - 4.4
1999 + 9.6
2000 - 7.7
2001 - 8.2
2002 - 8.7
2003 - 5.7
2004 - 8.8
2005 -13.1
2006 -18.0
2007 + 2.9
2008 -13.0
Harry Wright (as high as #2), Tommy Bond (2), Ed Williamson (2), Elston Howard (3), Kirby Puckett (1), Don Mattingly (3), Dizzy Dean (1).
P.S. Ernie Lombardi got the shaft.
BA: Lefty O'Doul, .349 (4th)/Hugh Duffy, 1894 .440 (1st)
OBP: John McGraw, .466 (3rd)/John McGraw, 1899, .548 (4th)
SLG: Hack Wilson, .549 (32nd)/Hack Wilson, 1930, .723 (22nd)
OPS: Lefty O'Doul, .945 (27th)/Hugh Duffy, 1894, 1.196 (22nd)
Games: Rusty Staub, 2951 (12th)
AB: Lou Brock, 10332 (18th)
PA: Rabbit Maranville, 11256 (27th)
Runs: Jimmy Ryan, 1642 (32nd)/Tom Brown, 1891, 177 (2nd)
Hits: Lou Brock, 3023 (23rd)/Lefty O'Doul, 1929, 254 (3rd)
TB: Harold Baines, 4604 (32nd)/Chuck Klein, 1930, 445 (4th)
2B: Al Oliver, 529 (30th)/Earl Webb, 1931, 67 (1st)
3B: Sam Rice, 184 (14th)/Chief Wilson, 1932, 36 (1st)
HR: Jose Canseco, 462 (31st)/Roger Maris, 1961, 61 (7th)
RBI: Tony Perez, 1652 (24th)/Hack Wilson, 1930, 191 (7th)
BB: Eddie Yost, 1614 (10th)/Eddie Yost, 1956, 151 (9th)
Strikeouts: Jose Canseco, 1942 (5th)
Stolen Bases: Lou Brock, 938 (2nd)/Hugh Nicol, 1887, 138 (1st)
Singles: Sam Rice, 2271 (14th)/Lloyd Waner, 1927, 198 (4th)
OPS+: Dave Orr, 161 (14th)/Fred Dunlap, 1884, 258 (4th)
Runs Created: Harold Baines, 1606 (57th)/Chuck Klein, 1930, 193 (12th)
Adj. Batting Runs: Bob Johnson, 392 (71st)/Norm Cash, 1961, 85 (35th)
Batting Wins: Jack Clark, 39 (72nd)/Fred Dunlap, 1884, 8.5 (23rd)
XBH: Tony Perez, 963 (35th)/Chuck Klein, 1930, 107 (3rd)
Times On Base: Rusty Staub, 4050 (37th)/Lefty O'Doul, 1929, 334 (16th)
Off. Win%: Dave Orr, .764 (18th)/Fred Dunlap, 1884, .919 (5th)
HBP: Tommy Tucker, 272 (3rd)
Sac. Hits: Jake Daubert, 392 (2nd)
Sac. Flies: Rusty Staub, 119 (8th)
IBB: Rusty Staub, 193 (13th)/Kevin Mitchell, 1989, 32 (16th)
GIDP: Jim Rice, 315 (6th)
Caught Stealing: Lou Brock, 307 (2nd)
Power/Speed Number: Bobby Bonds, 386.01 (4th)/Eric Davis, 1987, 42.53 (3rd)
AB/K: Lloyd Waner, 44.92 (2nd)
AB/HR: Dave Kingman, 15.1 (14th)
Outs: Luis Aparicio, 8110 (11th)
ERA: Addie Joss, 1.89 (2nd)/Dutch Leonard, 1914, 0.96 (2nd)
Wins: Mickey Welch, 307 (20th), Tommy John, 288 (25th)
W/L%: Spud Chandler, .717 (2nd)
WHIP: Addie Joss, .968 (1st)
H/9IP: Sid Fernandez, 6.85 (3rd)/Luis Tiant, 1968, 5.13 (2nd)
BB/9IP: Candy Cummings, .49 (2nd), Deacon Phillippe, 1.25 (16th)
K/9IP: Sam McDowell, 8.86 (8th)/Dwight Gooden, 1984, 11.39 (12th)
Games: Kent Tekulve, 1050 (7th)/Mike Marhsall, 1974, 106 (1st)
Saves: Lee Smith, 478 (2nd)/Bobby Thigpen, 1990, 57 (1st)
Innings: Bobby Mathews, 4956 (14th), Tommy John, 4710 (20th)
Strikeouts: Mickey Lolich, 2832 (18th)/(Post-1900) Sam McDowell, 1965, 325 (36th)
Games Started: Tommy John, 700 (8th)
Complete Games: Bobby Mathews & Mickey Welch, 525 (6th), Vic Willis, 388 (19th)
Shutouts: Vic Willis, 50 (19th)
HR Allowed: Frank Tanana, 448 (15th)
BB Allowed: Bobo Newsom, 1732 (6th)
Hits Allowed: Bobby Mathews, 5591 (3rd), Tommy John, 4783 (10th)
SO/Walk Ratio: Tommy Bond, 4.44 (1st)/Jim Whitney, 1884, 10.0 (2nd)
(I didn't give a post-1900 because the #1 single season is Bret Saberhagen, 1994, 11.0)
Losses: Jack Powell, 254 (8th)
Earned Runs Allowed: Gus Weyhing, 1867 (6th), Tommy John, 1749 (14th)
Wild Pitches: Mickey Welch, 274 (2nd), Jack Morris, 206 (8th)
Hit Batsmen: Chick Fraser, 177 (5th)
Batters Faced: Tommy John, 19692 (15th)
Games Finished: Lee Smith, 802 (1st)/Mike Marshall, 1979, 84 (1st)
Adjusted ERA+: Dan Quisenberry & Joe Wood, 146 (4th)/Dutch Leonard, 1914, 279 (3rd)
Years on All-Star Roster: Luis Aparicio, Steve Garvey, George Kell, Kirby Puckett, Red Scheodienst (10)
MVP Award Shares: Dave Parker, 3.19 (28th)
Cy Award Shares: Catfish Hunter, 2.02 (12th)
HOF Monitor: Chuck Klein, 193 (43rd)
Pitchers: Mickey Welch, 141 (21st)
Post-1900: Lee Smith, 73 (52nd)
HOF Standards: Hugh Duffy, 54 (52nd)
Pitchers: Mickey Welch, 58 (19th)
Post-1900: Chief Bender, 51 (37th)
Black Ink: Chuck Klein, 60 (16th)
Pitching: Bucky Walters, 48 (26th)
Gray Ink: Orlando Cepeda, 196 (42nd)
Pitching: Bobby Mathews, 274 (14th)
Post-1900: Burleigh Grimes, 213 (32nd)
And these are guesses, assuming that nobody who's not in my database would be ahead of them, but that may not be true, especially for WARP
Win Shares: Tony Mullane, 399
Non-Pitcher: Rusty Staub, 358
WARP1: Rabbit Maranville, 133.5
Pitcher: Frank Tanana, 112.5
WARP3: Frank Tanana, 111.3
Non-Pitcher: Dave Concepcion, 109.7
Hall of Famer Happy Jack Chesbro says for the last time:
I heard my name. Did I win?
Everyone that I've ever put into an "elect me" position has eventually been elected, with four exceptions: George Van Haltren, Larry Doyle, Tommy Bridges, and Luis Tiant. And it was only once each with Bridges and Tiant.
Imagine that someone voted for Charley Jones, Pete Browning, and Dick Lundy throughout. That someone would be widely scorned, would have a short list of electmes, and would now feel I don't know what.
In the list of overall consensus measures by election (#88), visit 1934 and look backward. See the Greenia trough?
(Probably that someone was expelled in 1934.)
--
Speaking of the d, he wrote in the Ballot thread yesterday:
97. DanG Posted: December 03, 2007 at 11:59 AM (#2632248)
My “system”? Totally revamped for this year, something I've considered doing for some time. When separating the mass below Raines, the prime query is, Which omissions will most strain the HoM’s credibility among Joe Fan? The corollary is then, Whose inclusion would be most confounding to Joe Fan? Merit is defined less by statistical analysis and more by a consensus of recognized opinions.
I think Dizzy Dean wins the corollary.
PHoM-not-HoM
1. Phil Rizzuto, SS
2. Bus Clarkson, 3B
3. Norm Cash, 1B
4. Gavvy Cravath, DH
5. Reggie Smith, RF
6. Bob Johnson, LF
7. George Van Haltren, CF
8. Elston Howard, C
9. Bill Monroe, 2B
SP: Dick Redding
RP: Luis Tiant
UT: Tommy Leach
PH: Bobby Bonds
HoM-not-PHoM
1. Richie Ashburn, CF
2. George Sisler, 1B
3. Charley Jones, LF
4. Sam Thompson, DH
5. Hughie Jennings, SS
6. Andre Dawson, RF
7. Graig Nettles, 3B
8. Roger Bresnahan, C
9. Nellie Fox, 2B
SP: Rube Foster
RP: Rollie Fingers
UT: Pete Browning?
PH: Ralph Kiner
I went with Thompson over Kiner to get another lefty bat in there. The HoMers would probably do a lot of work in spring training to find the best defensive outfield.
My occational contribution to this project has been the list of HOMers sorted by the percentage of available points in their year of election. And now that we've caught up with the present time, maybe it's time to bring this list back to life? For the record, this list is not intended as any attempt to rank the HoMers; it merely shows each HoMer's electoral support in his year of election. So take it for what it's worth.
Players in bold were elected in their first year of eligibility.
THE BEST, JERRY! THE BEST!
100.0 - Cy Young (1917)
100.0 - Honus Wagner (1923)
100.0 - Walter Johnson (1933)
100.0 - Babe Ruth (1941)
100.0 - Lou Gehrig (1944)
100.0 - Lefty Grove (1947)
100.0 - Joe DiMaggio (1957)
100.0 - Ted Williams (1966)
100.0 - Stan Musial (1969)
100.0 - Mickey Mantle (1974)
100.0 - Willie Mays (1979)
100.0 - Hank Aaron (1982)
100.0 - Mike Schmidt (1995)
100.0 - Wade Boggs (2005)
MASTERS OF THEIR DOMAIN
99.8 - Sam Crawford (1924)
99.8 - Cal Ripken (2007)
99.7 - Dan Brouthers (1902)
99.5 - Jimmie Foxx (1951)
99.5 - Warren Spahn (1971)
99.4 - Pete Alexander (1936)
99.4 - Josh Gibson (1952)
99.4 - Joe Morgan (1990)
99.4 - Tom Seaver (1992)
99.3 - Ty Cobb (1934)
99.2 - Oscar Charleston (1943)
99.2 - Rod Carew (1991)
99.2 - George Brett (1999)
98.9 - Kid Nichols (1911)
98.8 - Nap Lajoie (1922)
98.7 - Bob Gibson (1981)
98.5 - Phil Niekro (1994)
98.4 - Ed Delahanty (1909)
98.4 - Arky Vaughan (1954)
98.3 - Roy Campanella (1963)
98.3 - Johnny Bench (1989)
97.9 - Charlie Gehringer (1948)
97.9 - Bob Feller (1962)
97.8 - Eddie Collins (1935)
97.7 - Tim Raines (2008)
97.5 - Eddie Murray (2003)
97.2 - Gary Carter (1998)
96.9 - Turkey Stearnes (1946)
96.6 - Satchel Paige (1959)
96.5 - Christy Mathewson (1922)
96.3 - Willie McCovey (1986)
96.3 - Nolan Ryan (2000)
95.8 - Rogers Hornsby (1941)
95.8 - Frank Robinson (1982)
95.7 - George Davis (1915)
95.7 - Carl Hubbell (1949)
95.4 - Eddie Mathews (1974)
95.3 - Paul Waner (1950)
95.3 - Mel Ott (1952)
95.1 - Carl Yastrzemski (1989)
GIDDYUP!
94.9 - Jesse Burkett (1912)
94.8 - Smokey Joe Williams (1936)
94.8 - Johnny Mize (1959)
94.7 - Robin Roberts (1972)
94.7 - Ernie Banks (1977)
94.7 - Tony Gwynn (2007)
94.6 - Duke Snider (1970)
94.5 - Yogi Berra (1969)
94.4 - Deacon White (1898)
94.4 - Dave Winfield (2001)
94.4 - Paul Molitor (2004)
94.0 - Paul Hines (1898)
94.0 - Jim O'Rourke (1899)
94.0 - Jackie Robinson (1962)
93.7 - Al Simmons (1946)
93.4 - Bert Blyleven (1998)
93.2 - Roger Connor (1903)
93.1 - Roberto Clemente (1978)
92.3 - Pete Rose (1993)
92.1 - Gabby Hartnett (1947)
92.0 - Louis Santop (1932)
91.9 - Pop Lloyd (1935)
91.9 - Al Kaline (1980)
91.9 - Steve Carlton (1993)
91.7 - Luke Appling (1956)
91.5 - Bill Dickey (1953)
90.7 - Robin Yount (1999)
90.6 - Harry Heilmann (1937)
90.5 - Carlton Fisk (1999)
90.3 - Buck Leonard (1955)
90.3 - Ryne Sandberg (2003)
90.0 - John Clarkson (1900)
89.7 - Reggie Jackson (1993)
89.5 - Jim Palmer (1990)
89.1 - Billy Hamilton (1907)
89.1 - Hank Greenberg (1953)
88.9 - Bill Dahlen (1915)
88.3 - Mickey Cochrane (1943)
88.2 - Cristobal Torriente (1937)
87.7 - Ron Santo (1980)
87.7 - Harmon Killebrew (1981)
87.2 - Joe Cronin (1951)
86.7 - Frankie Frisch (1944)
86.2 - Gaylord Perry* (1989)
86.0 - Alan Trammell (2002)
85.9 - Mark McGwire* (2007)
85.2 - Cap Anson* (1903)
85.2 - Fred Clarke (1917)
* Six voters boycotted Anson; two voters boycotted Perry and McGwire.
OF COURSE, IT'S A SLIDING SCALE...
84.9 - Ozzie Smith (2002)
84.3 - Willie Stargell (1988)
84.0 - King Kelly (1899)
83.5 - Ray Brown (1955)
83.0 - Fergie Jenkins (1990)
82.9 - Martin Dihigo (1950)
82.6 - Frank Baker (1928)
82.4 - Jack Glasscock (1904)
82.2 - Eddie Plank (1924)
82.0 - Tris Speaker (1934)
81.5 - Goose Goslin (1945)
81.5 - Ted Simmons (1994)
79.9 - Bullet Rogan (1940)
79.5 - George Gore (1898)
79.1 - Whitey Ford (1973)
78.6 - Hal Newhouser (1960)
78.4 - Willie Wells (1954)
78.2 - Tim Keefe (1901)
77.5 - Lou Whitaker (2001)
77.0 - Dennis Eckersley (2004)
76.9 - Zack Wheat (1933)
76.6 - Jud Wilson (1948)
76.2 - George Wright (1901)
75.5 - Will Clark (2006)
75.6 - Ezra Sutton (1908)
75.5 - Hoyt Wilhelm (1978)
74.7 - Buck Ewing (1902)
74.7 - Rich Gossage (2000)
74.5 - Bid McPhee (1913)
74.4 - Ed Walsh (1920)
74.4 - Joe Jackson (1927)
73.9 - Pud Galvin (1910)
73.5 - John Ward (1900)
73.5 - Cal McVey (1914)
73.4 - Al Spalding (1906)
73.3 - Willie Keeler (1919)
72.5 - Joe Start (1912)
71.7 - Charley Radbourn (1905)
71.3 - Pee Wee Reese (1964)
70.7 - Jimmy Collins (1921)
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK I SEE... A HoMER
69.8 - Amos Rusie (1904)
69.2 - Elmer Flick (1918)
68.9 - Dick Allen (1983)
68.4 - Ross Barnes (1898)
68.3 - Juan Marichal (1980)
68.1 - Joe Kelley (1919)
68.0 - Brooks Robinson (1984)
67.3 - Mule Suttles (1956)
67.1 - Hardy Richardson (1905)
67.1 - Grant Johnson (1925)
66.8 - Mordecai Brown (1925)
66.8 - Ted Lyons (1949)
65.8 - Billy Williams (1983)
65.2 - Bobby Grich (1992)
65.0 - Bill Foster (1945)
64.9 - Heinie Groh (1938)
63.2 - Harry Stovey (1916)
62.4 - Stan Coveleski (1938)
62.1 - Larry Doby (1965)
61.6 - Jimmy Sheckard (1930)
61.3 - Frank Grant (1926)
61.3 - Monte Irvin (1963)
61.0 - Bobby Wallace (1929)
60.9 - Charlie Bennett (1921)
60.9 - Enos Slaughter (1965)
60.7 - Joe McGinnity (1928)
60.2 - Sherry Magee (1926)
60.0 - Pete Hill (1927)
59.9 - Billy Herman (1958)
59.9 - Joe Torre (1984)
58.0 - John Beckwith (1957)
56.6 - Bob Caruthers (1930)
56.5 - Dazzy Vance (1942)
54.9 - Don Drysdale (1975)
54.6 - Sam Thompson (1929)
54.3 - Sandy Koufax (1972)
53.0 - Dickey Pearce (1931)
I'M KEITH HERNANDEZ!
49.8 - Keith Hernandez (1996)
IS IT POSSIBLE I'M NOT AS ATTRACTIVE AS I THINK I AM?
49.1 - Early Wynn (1970)
49.0 - Don Sutton (1994)
48.6 - Rube Foster (1932)
48.6 - Stan Hack (1958)
48.5 - Lou Boudreau (1958)
47.0 - José Méndez (1985)
46.3 - Red Faber (1939)
45.6 - Max Carey (1939)
44.9 - Bill Terry (1942)
44.7 - Joe Medwick (1967)
43.6 - Darrell Evans (1995)
43.0 - Bill Freehan (1985)
42.6 - Dwight Evans (1997)
41.8 - Joe Gordon (1976)
41.5 - Bob Lemon (1967)
41.3 - Wes Ferrell (1964)
40.5 - Lip Pike (1940)
40.4 - Earl Averill (1961)
39.4 - Ralph Kiner (1987)
39.1 - Billy Pierce (1987)
38.8 - Red Ruffing (1966)
38.7 - Eppa Rixey (1968)
38.2 - George Sisler (1979)
38.1 - Richie Ashburn (1968)
38.1 - Rube Waddell (1986)
37.9 - Willard Brown (1976)
37.7 - Hughie Jennings (1960)
37.7 - Jim Bunning (1977)
36.8 - Cool Papa Bell (1973)
36.2 - Quincy Trouppe (1995)
35.5 - Cupid Childs (1988)
35.4 - Biz Mackey (1975)
35.1 - Ken Boyer (1991)
34.8 - Joe Sewell (1985)
34.7 - Minnie Minoso (1987)
34.2 - Charlie Keller (1996)
32.8 - Clark Griffith (1971)
32.8 - Bobby Doerr (1972)
32.4 - Dick Lundy (2008)
31.7 - Jimmy Wynn (1996)
30.3 - Nellie Fox (1997)
NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT
29.9 - Dobie Moore (1991)
29.1 - Edd Roush (1997)
29.0 - Roger Bresnahan (2004)
28.7 - Bret Saberhagen (2008)
28.2 - Willie Randolph (2001)
28.1 - Pete Browning (2005)
26.7 - Dave Stieb (2002)
26.2 - Rollie Fingers (2000)
25.3 - Alejandro Oms (2006)
25.2 - Andre Dawson (2005)
25.1 - Graig Nettles (2006)
25.0 - Jake Beckley (1998)
24.9 - Charley Jones (2003)
Well, if you guys agreed with me, they wouldn't be PHoMers, would they? :)
Anyway, I just found it interesting how closely matched they were in terms of positions (although you can see an obvious difference in the types of outfielders I prefer). No wonder I had the high consensus score.
Hard to believe there are 13 players below Nellie Fox! Hard to believe there are only 14 below Jimmy Wynn and Dick Lundy.
95+--I am flabbergasted that Phil Niekro and Nolan Ryan are way up there in that group, though that could be a function of a weak cohort.
90+--Dave Winfield beats Clemente, Jackie, Kaline and about 10 other guys whose jockstraps he couldn't carry. Again, a function of a weak cohort?
70+--12 of the first 18 players at the bottom of the list are 19C. Concidence?
50+--Sandy Koufax at 54ish? You guys are crazy.
30+--Was everybody aware that Darrell and Dwight are two different guys?
<30--not a good group, but somebody hadda be on the bottom. Actually the top 3 are good picks, and the pitchers, but the rest of the position players not so much.
Fun list.
We could just dispense with the ranking and just rank them according to this.:
Deacon White
Paul Hines
Pete Rose
Billl Dahlen
Ron Santo
Alan Trammell
Mark McGwire
George Gore
Lou Whitaker
Will Clark
Ezra Sutton
Joe Jackson
Goose Gossage
Cal McVey
Joe Start
This probably over-states the 19C guys who ran against a weak backlog and probably ran 10-20 points higher, a la your average relief pitcher. If you wanna correct for that then maybe Dick Allen, HR Johnson and Bobby Grich move up.
That is true.
Here's mine. Rip away.
1. Johnny Pesky, SS
2. Kirby Puckett, CF
3. Al Rosen, DH
4. Orlando Cepeda, 1B
5. Gavy Cravath, RF
6. Frank Howard, LF
7. Larry Doyle, 2B
8. Elston Howard, C
9. Ed Williamson, 3B
Dizzy Dean, SP
Don Newcombe, P
Tommy Leach, UT
Reggie Smith, PH
100.0 - Cy Young (1917)
100.0 - Honus Wagner (1923)
100.0 - Walter Johnson (1933)
100.0 - Babe Ruth (1941)
100.0 - Lou Gehrig (1944)
100.0 - Lefty Grove (1947)
100.0 - Joe DiMaggio (1957)
100.0 - Ted Williams (1966)
100.0 - Stan Musial (1969)
100.0 - Mickey Mantle (1974)
100.0 - Willie Mays (1979)
100.0 - Hank Aaron (1982)
100.0 - Mike Schmidt (1995)
100.0 - Wade Boggs (2005)
99.8 - Sam Crawford (1924)
99.8 - Cal Ripken (2007)
99.7 - Dan Brouthers (1902)
99.5 - Jimmie Foxx (1951)
99.5 - Warren Spahn (1971)
99.4 - Pete Alexander (1936)
99.4 - Josh Gibson (1952)
99.4 - Joe Morgan (1990)
99.4 - Tom Seaver (1992)
99.3 - Ty Cobb (1934)
99.2 - Oscar Charleston (1943)
99.2 - Rod Carew (1991)
99.2 - George Brett (1999)
98.9 - Kid Nichols (1911)
98.8 - Nap Lajoie (1922)
98.7 - Bob Gibson (1981)
98.5 - Phil Niekro (1994)
98.4 - Ed Delahanty (1909)
98.4 - Arky Vaughan (1954)
98.3 - Roy Campanella (1963)
98.3 - Johnny Bench (1989)
97.9 - Charlie Gehringer (1948)
97.9 - Bob Feller (1962)
97.8 - Eddie Collins (1935)
97.7 - Tim Raines (2008)
97.5 - Eddie Murray (2003)
97.2 - Gary Carter (1998)
96.9 - Turkey Stearnes (1946)
96.6 - Satchel Paige (1959)
96.5 - Christy Mathewson (1922)
96.3 - Willie McCovey (1986)
96.3 - Nolan Ryan (2000)
95.8 - Rogers Hornsby (1941)
95.8 - Frank Robinson (1982)
95.7 - George Davis (1915)
95.7 - Carl Hubbell (1949)
95.4 - Eddie Mathews (1974)
95.3 - Paul Waner (1950)
95.3 - Mel Ott (1952)
95.1 - Carl Yastrzemski (1989)
94.9 - Jesse Burkett (1912)
94.8 - Smokey Joe Williams (1936)
94.8 - Johnny Mize (1959)
94.7 - Robin Roberts (1972)
94.7 - Ernie Banks (1977)
94.7 - Tony Gwynn (2007)
94.6 - Duke Snider (1970)
94.5 - Yogi Berra (1969)
94.4 - Deacon White (1898)
94.4 - Dave Winfield (2001)
94.4 - Paul Molitor (2004)
94.0 - Paul Hines (1898)
94.0 - Jim O'Rourke (1899)
94.0 - Jackie Robinson (1962)
93.7 - Al Simmons (1946)
93.4 - Bert Blyleven (1998)
93.2 - Roger Connor (1903)
93.1 - Roberto Clemente (1978)
92.3 - Pete Rose (1993)
92.1 - Gabby Hartnett (1947)
92.0 - Louis Santop (1932)
91.9 - Pop Lloyd (1935)
91.9 - Al Kaline (1980)
91.9 - Steve Carlton (1993)
91.7 - Luke Appling (1956)
91.5 - Bill Dickey (1953)
90.7 - Robin Yount (1999)
90.6 - Harry Heilmann (1937)
90.5 - Carlton Fisk (1999)
90.3 - Buck Leonard (1955)
90.3 - Ryne Sandberg (2003)
90.0 - John Clarkson (1900)
89.7 - Reggie Jackson (1993)
89.5 - Jim Palmer (1990)
89.1 - Billy Hamilton (1907)
89.1 - Hank Greenberg (1953)
88.9 - Bill Dahlen (1915)
88.3 - Mickey Cochrane (1943)
88.2 - Cristobal Torriente (1937)
87.7 - Ron Santo (1980)
87.7 - Harmon Killebrew (1981)
87.2 - Joe Cronin (1951)
86.7 - Frankie Frisch (1944)
86.2 - Gaylord Perry* (1989)
86.0 - Alan Trammell (2002)
85.9 - Mark McGwire* (2007)
85.2 - Cap Anson* (1903)
85.2 - Fred Clarke (1917)
84.9 - Ozzie Smith (2002)
84.3 - Willie Stargell (1988)
84.0 - King Kelly (1899)
83.5 - Ray Brown (1955)
83.0 - Fergie Jenkins (1990)
82.9 - Martin Dihigo (1950)
82.6 - Frank Baker (1928)
82.4 - Jack Glasscock (1904)
82.2 - Eddie Plank (1924)
82.0 - Tris Speaker (1934)
81.5 - Goose Goslin (1945)
81.5 - Ted Simmons (1994)
79.9 - Bullet Rogan (1940)
79.5 - George Gore (1898)
79.1 - Whitey Ford (1973)
78.6 - Hal Newhouser (1960)
78.4 - Willie Wells (1954)
78.2 - Tim Keefe (1901)
77.5 - Lou Whitaker (2001)
77.0 - Dennis Eckersley (2004)
76.9 - Zack Wheat (1933)
76.6 - Jud Wilson (1948)
76.2 - George Wright (1901)
75.5 - Will Clark (2006)
75.6 - Ezra Sutton (1908)
75.5 - Hoyt Wilhelm (1978)
74.7 - Buck Ewing (1902)
74.7 - Rich Gossage (2000)
74.5 - Bid McPhee (1913)
74.4 - Ed Walsh (1920)
74.4 - Joe Jackson (1927)
73.9 - Pud Galvin (1910)
73.5 - John Ward (1900)
73.5 - Cal McVey (1914)
73.4 - Al Spalding (1906)
73.3 - Willie Keeler (1919)
72.5 - Joe Start (1912)
71.7 - Charley Radbourn (1905)
71.3 - Pee Wee Reese (1964)
70.7 - Jimmy Collins (1921)
69.8 - Amos Rusie (1904)
69.2 - Elmer Flick (1918)
68.9 - Dick Allen (1983)
68.4 - Ross Barnes (1898)
68.3 - Juan Marichal (1980)
68.1 - Joe Kelley (1919)
68.0 - Brooks Robinson (1984)
67.3 - Mule Suttles (1956)
67.1 - Hardy Richardson (1905)
67.1 - Grant Johnson (1925)
66.8 - Mordecai Brown (1925)
66.8 - Ted Lyons (1949)
65.8 - Billy Williams (1983)
65.2 - Bobby Grich (1992)
65.0 - Bill Foster (1945)
64.9 - Heinie Groh (1938)
63.2 - Harry Stovey (1916)
62.4 - Stan Coveleski (1938)
62.1 - Larry Doby (1965)
61.6 - Jimmy Sheckard (1930)
61.3 - Frank Grant (1926)
61.3 - Monte Irvin (1963)
61.0 - Bobby Wallace (1929)
60.9 - Charlie Bennett (1921)
60.9 - Enos Slaughter (1965)
60.7 - Joe McGinnity (1928)
60.2 - Sherry Magee (1926)
60.0 - Pete Hill (1927)
59.9 - Billy Herman (1958)
59.9 - Joe Torre (1984)
58.0 - John Beckwith (1957)
56.6 - Bob Caruthers (1930)
56.5 - Dazzy Vance (1942)
54.9 - Don Drysdale (1975)
54.6 - Sam Thompson (1929)
54.3 - Sandy Koufax (1972)
53.0 - Dickey Pearce (1931)
49.8 - Keith Hernandez (1996)
49.1 - Early Wynn (1970)
49.0 - Don Sutton (1994)
48.6 - Rube Foster (1932)
48.6 - Stan Hack (1958)
48.5 - Lou Boudreau (1958)
47.0 - José Méndez (1985)
46.3 - Red Faber (1939)
45.6 - Max Carey (1939)
44.9 - Bill Terry (1942)
44.7 - Joe Medwick (1967)
43.6 - Darrell Evans (1995)
43.0 - Bill Freehan (1985)
42.6 - Dwight Evans (1997)
41.8 - Joe Gordon (1976)
41.5 - Bob Lemon (1967)
41.3 - Wes Ferrell (1964)
40.5 - Lip Pike (1940)
40.4 - Earl Averill (1961)
39.4 - Ralph Kiner (1987)
39.1 - Billy Pierce (1987)
38.8 - Red Ruffing (1966)
38.7 - Eppa Rixey (1968)
38.2 - George Sisler (1979)
38.1 - Richie Ashburn (1968)
38.1 - Rube Waddell (1986)
37.9 - Willard Brown (1976)
37.7 - Hughie Jennings (1960)
37.7 - Jim Bunning (1977)
36.8 - Cool Papa Bell (1973)
36.2 - Quincy Trouppe (1995)
35.5 - Cupid Childs (1988)
35.4 - Biz Mackey (1975)
35.1 - Ken Boyer (1991)
34.8 - Joe Sewell (1985)
34.7 - Minnie Minoso (1987)
34.2 - Charlie Keller (1996)
32.8 - Clark Griffith (1971)
32.8 - Bobby Doerr (1972)
32.4 - Dick Lundy (2008)
31.7 - Jimmy Wynn (1996)
30.3 - Nellie Fox (1997)
29.9 - Dobie Moore (1991)
29.1 - Edd Roush (1997)
29.0 - Roger Bresnahan (2004)
28.7 - Bret Saberhagen (2008)
28.2 - Willie Randolph (2001)
28.1 - Pete Browning (2005)
26.7 - Dave Stieb (2002)
26.2 - Rollie Fingers (2000)
25.3 - Alejandro Oms (2006)
25.2 - Andre Dawson (2005)
25.1 - Graig Nettles (2006)
25.0 - Jake Beckley (1998)
24.9 - Charley Jones (2003)
thought #2: offsetting that, I'm ecstatic that a different Dick was elected instead. I'm going to wear my Baltimore Black Sox jersey in celebration (and yes, I know that Dick Lundy's cap should be for the Atlantic City Bacharach Giants, but he was also a part of Baltimore's Million Dollar Infield and I don't have a Bacharach jersey).
thought #3: I'm also happy that Saberhagen made it in. That means I had all three inductees on my ballot.
Or do we? When is our next election?
See the thread "Once We Catch-Up", post #156 for the latest plan. Read the next 25 posts or so for debate of adding a runoff election.
Yes, we should. Has John gone on sabbatical or is he still at the wheel of this machine?
I'll post a 2009 discussion thread later today.
I'll hold off the individual threads for now (they'll just clutter up the main things we are discussing).
They wouldn't be clutter any more. The time has come. There definitely should be an Appier thread; I'd say no need for Sasaki (he has < 700 IP when you add NPB to MLB.)
captures the project nicely, in every way
:)
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