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Tuesday, December 08, 2009

2010 BBTF Vets Committee Executives Results: Marvin Miller!

With a commanding 93% of the ballots, former MLPBA leader Marvin Miller was the only candidate to reach 75% among BBTF voters in our mock Hall of Fame election (he was awarded 79% in 2007 by us)

Ewing Kaufmann, Jacob Ruppert and Bob Howsan were the also-rans with considerable support.

As for our HoM subgroup, the results were very similar, except that Miller’s support was unanimous instead.

See you again at the end of the year for the next elections!

RK   LY  Player          PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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 1  n/e  Marvin Miller    25   25  15  4  4  2                                 
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2T  n/e  Ewing Kaufmann   17   17   2 10  4  1                                 
2T  n/e  Jacob Ruppert    17   17   2  4  7  4                                 
 4  n/e  Bob Howsam       14   14   7  2  3  2                                 
 5  n/e  Bill White        3    3      1     2                                 
 6  n/e  Gabe Paul         2    2      1  1                                    
7T  n/e  Gene Autry        1    1         1                                    
7T  n/e  Sam Breadon       1    1            1                                 
7T  n/e  John Fetzer       1    1      1                                       
7T  n/e  John McHale       1    1   1                                          
Ballots Cast: 27

RK   LY  Player          PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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 1  n/e  Marvin Miller    13   13   7  2  2  2                                 
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2T  n/e  Ewing Kaufmann    8    8   1  5  1  1                                 
2T  n/e  Jacob Ruppert     8    8   1  2  4  1                                 
 4  n/e  Bob Howsam        5    5   3     1  1                                 
 5  n/e  Bill White        2    2      1     1                                 
6T  n/e  Gene Autry        1    1         1                                    
6T  n/e  John Fetzer       1    1      1                                       
6T  n/e  John McHale       1    1   1                                          
6T  n/e  Gabe Paul         1    1         1                                    
Ballots Cast: 13

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 08, 2009 at 12:58 AM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 08, 2009 at 03:01 AM (#3406183)

hot topics

2. Juan V Posted: December 08, 2009 at 03:37 AM (#3406230)

If I had wanted to make a write-in vote for Frank Jobe, which election (if any) would have been the appropiate one?

3. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: December 08, 2009 at 03:40 AM (#3406233)

How many times has he been elected now?

4. Steve Treder Posted: December 08, 2009 at 03:47 AM (#3406241)

But ... but ... but Marvin Miller never DID anything. Or if he did, he didn't do anything having to do with BASEBALL.

Not in the way that owners do. I mean, they actually OWN the sport itself.

5. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 08, 2009 at 12:25 PM (#3406456)

If I had wanted to make a write-in vote for Frank Jobe, which election (if any) would have been the appropiate one?

No answer to your good question, Juan.

How many times has he been elected now?

He was elected by us twice, Misirlou.

6. Paul Wendt Posted: December 08, 2009 at 05:15 PM (#3406760)

Managers and Umpires are two categories the Hall of Fame now uses to classify members.

Executives is part of one category, Pioneers & Executives.

One tack must be to argue that Jobe, Bill James, and other novel candidates are pioneers.

7. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 08, 2009 at 07:26 PM (#3406918)

One tack must be to argue that Jobe, Bill James, and other novel candidates are pioneers.

By Jobe, I think you got it!

8. Qufini Posted: December 09, 2009 at 04:15 PM (#3407907)

If anything, we've demonstrated how incredibly difficult it is to get to 75%. I'm glad that we elected Miller, but I'm amazed that Ruppert and Kaufmann were hanging out at around 61 or 62%. That's a sizable majority that thought they were worthy of induction but still well short of the number of votes they actually needed.

9. Paul Wendt Posted: December 09, 2009 at 09:06 PM (#3408430)

To underscore that point, take a look at the arithmetic of "votes behind" or "Yesses behind" 75% by analogy to "games behind" a pennant race leader.

If a candidate gets 16 Yes and 7 No votes from the first 23 ballots cast, that looks pretty good. At 69.6% it is pretty good, less than half the Ruppert/Kauffman distance short of 75% in percentage terms. Nevertheless that candidate is 5 Yesses behind, needing Yes votes on the next five ballots cast in order to reach 75%. Ruppert and Kauffman were 13 yesses behind.

They were "well short of the number of votes they actually needed." --only four votes short, by the usual reporting method, which supposes a fixed number of votes or ballots cast. That shortfall is the number of switches from No to Yes that would have made the candidate a winner, all else equal.

10. Paul Wendt Posted: December 09, 2009 at 09:39 PM (#3408469)

For your reference.

The Historical Overview Committee nominated 60 contributors in stage one of the 2003 cycle (its first). Doug Pappas classified all of them in his review of the election (linked above). Here are the 33 who have not advanced to the final ballot in four renditions 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010.

category    
MGR    Roger    Craig
MGR    Chuck    Dressen
MGR    Fred     Haney
MGR    Ralph    Houk
MGR    Fred     Hutchinson
MGR    George   Stallings
MGR    Chuck    Tanner
MGR    Birdie   Tebbetts
MGR    Patsy    Tebeau
UMP    Bill     Dineen
UMP    Larry    Goetz
UMP    Steve    Palermo
UMP    Babe     Pinelli
UMP    Beans    Reardon
UMP    Bill     Summers
UMP    Lee      Weyer
B_B    Chub     Feeney
B_B    Garry    Herrmann
B_B    John     Heydler
OWN    Charles  Bronfman
OWN    George W Bush
OWN    John     Galbreath
OWN    Calvin   Griffith
OWN    Joan     Payson
OWN    Al       Reach
OWN    Ben      Shibe
OWN    Charles  Somers
OWN    Chris    Von der Ahe
G_M    Frank    Lane
G_M    Paul     Owens
G_M    John A.R Quinn
G_M    Bill     Rigney
G_M    Cedric   Tallis 

All of the Managers were major league players. So were Dinneen, Pinelli, Reach, and Rigney (top to bottom). Reach and Dinneen were leading players for a time.

For 2007 the committee nominated four more candidates who have never advanced to the final ballot. I classified them myself

category    
Mgr    Jack     McKeon
Mgr    Don      Zimmer
Ump    John     McSherry
G_m    Bing     Devine 

Only Zimmer played in the major leagues.

Since 2007, composition of the final ballots apparently happens at once; there is no publicity for any preliminary stage.

11. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

Posted: December 09, 2009 at 09:44 PM (#3408474)

Glad to see Miller chosen, but IMO Ruppert was omitted for reasons that are little less valid than Miller's exclusion from Cooperstown. In one case it's the owners' grudge against the union, and in this case it's a thinly veiled grudge against the Yankees' financial advantage.

That said, since I forget to vote, that opinion above means next to nothing. But FWIW I would have voted for Howsam and Kaufmann in addition to and Ruppert.

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