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Ken Boyer
Minnie Miñoso
Luis Tiant
Ron Santo

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Ron Santo
Minnie Minoso
Tony Oliva
Buzzie Bavasi

Ron Santo
Minnie Minoso
Ken Boyer
Luis Tiant

Ken Boyer
Minnie Minoso
Luis Tiant
Ron Santo

I'm not a fan of mixing executives and players but I considered Finley instead of Boyer.

Ron Santo
Luis Tiante
Minnie Minoso

Santo
Boyer
Miñoso
Finley

Luis Tiant
Ron Santo
Buzzie Bavasi

Santo

Ron Santo
Minnie Minoso
Ken Boyer
Luis Tiant

Santo

Jim Kaat
Luis Tiant
Charlie Finley
Ron Santo

Ken Boyer,
Minnie Minoso,
Luis Tiant,
Ron Santo.

Ron Santo
Minne Minoso
Tony Oliva
Jim Kaat

Ken Boyer
Minnie Minoso
Ron Santo
Buzzie bavasi

No one.

-- MWE

Boyer
Minoso
Santo

Minoso
Finley
Santo

Ron Santo
Charlie Finley
Buzzie Bavasi

Ken Boyer
Minnie Minoso
Ron Santo
Luis Tiant

Santo
Tiant
Boyer
Minoso

No one.

-- MWE

It would be a pretty boring museum if everyone voted like that.

Minnie Minoso
Buzzie Bavasi

Alphabetically:

Kenton Lloyd Boyer
Saturnino Orestes Armas Minoso Arrieta – “Minnie”
Ronald Edward Santo

Ken Boyer
Charlie Finley
Buzzie Bavasi
Ron Santo

Ron Santo

Ron Santo
Minnie Minoso

No one.

Minnie Minoso
Ron Santo

Minnie Minoso
Ron Santo

Minnie Minoso
Ron Santo.

Ron Santo

Santo

Ken Boyer
Minnie Minoso
Charlie Finley
Ron Santo

Santo
Minoso
Tiant
Finley

Isn't Santo already in?

Ron Santo

Santo
Boyer
Tiant
Minoso

Isn't Santo already in?

Yes, we're creating a consensus of who BBTF would have elected off the ballot that elected Santo.

Minoso
Santo

Ron Santo

Minnie Minoso
Ron Santo

Ron Santo

I'll take

Finley
Miñoso
Santo

Santo

Minoso
Santo
Tiant
Boyer (somewhat reluctantly)

Ron Santo
Minnie Minoso
Luis Tiant
Ken Boyer

Thought about Bavasi, but his lack of success after leaving the Dodgers hurts him.

It would be a pretty boring museum if everyone voted like that.

It would be pretty boring if everyone voted the BTF-approved ballot.

And perhaps you overlooked the other 40+ posts, but everyone doesn't vote like that.

Minoso and Santo.

Gil Hodges
Minnie Minoso
Ron Santo
Luis Tiant

Santo
Minoso
Bavasi
Finley

Minoso
Santo

No-one.

Boyer
Minoso
Santo

Write in
Bobby Grich

Minnie Minoso and Ron Santo

56. Eric Chalek (Dr. Chaleeko) Posted: January 05, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4029556)

Where have you been?

Santo
Minoso
Is Bill Veeck in already?

Write in
Bobby Grich

Grich's era was not being considered this year. HoM players who didn't make this ballot include Torre, Wynn, Allen, Freehan and Pierce.

Meanwhile, Tiant was mistakenly included on this ballot, since his career was mostly after 1972.

Is Bill Veeck in already?

Here's your answer.

Charlie Finley and Ron Santo.

Santo
Minoso
Boyer

If it makes any of you who voted reluctantly for Boyer feel better, this election specifically includes character stuff, and Boyer scores heavy. He was considered a very good teammate, and was such a good guy as a manager that he failed because he couldn't make himself enforce discipline. Also, when the Cards had the big fracas over black players and the hotel (the spring training hotel would not let the black players stay there), Gussie Busch had a friend of his buy an entire motel so the players could all be in the same place. Both Musial and Boyer, the team's two biggest stars at the time, were renting beach cabanas that spring. They gave up the cushy cabanas and moved into the motel, to show solidarity for their black teammates. Both Bob Gibson and Curt Flood specifically cited Boyer and Musial as two MLB guys who were white but who had no use for segregation, and went out of their way to show it. Just in case you're on the borderline over Boyer....

- Brock

Ken Boyer
Minnie Minoso
Luis Tiant
Ron Santo

Ron Santo

'Grich's era was not being considered this year. HoM players who didn't make this ballot include Torre, Wynn, Allen, Freehan and Pierce.'

Thanks Dan. I was not aware that that is how the vet committee works.

New Ballot
Boyer
Minoso
Santo
Finley: I remembered that this is the HoF, not HoM, so I don't need to prove myself. Finley built one of the better dynasties in baseball history, was one of the more entertaining owners of all-time (really between him and Veeck right?), and brought facial hair back to the game.

Write ins (even though they don't count)
Joe Torre
Jimmy Wynn
Dick Allen
Bill Freehan
Billy Pierce

Both Musial and Boyer, the team's two biggest stars at the time, were renting beach cabanas that spring. They gave up the cushy cabanas and moved into the motel, to show solidarity for their black teammates. Both Bob Gibson and Curt Flood specifically cited Boyer and Musial as two MLB guys who were white but who had no use for segregation, and went out of their way to show it.

MORE PROOF THAT MURRAY CHASS IS A WORTHLESS TURD, MR. PRESIDENT.

Ken Boyer
Minnie Minoso
Charlie Finley
Ron Santo

Ron Santo
Minnie Minoso

Santo would have been 3rd on my 2012 HoM ballot, and Minoso 15th without any additional non-MLB credit, so that seemed like a good cut-off. Next up would have been Hodges, but he wouldn't have made my top 20, and would have been behind, for instance, Rizzuto. For the record, Dick Allen would have been ahead of Tommy Leach and #1 on my HoM ballot, Wynn would have been #2 between Leach and Palmerio, and Torre would have been #13, behind Hilton Smith, so I would have voted for all them here as well (ignoring for a second the fact that Torre's managerial career technically has to be considered as well when he's up for the HoF vote as a player, something the actual VC voters seem to forget).

So I'm not impressed by any nomination process that excludes them, and includes Allie Reynolds. Seriously, I don't know what the nominating committee sees in him that he keeps getting nominated. OK, in fairness, considering he was 2nd in the VC voting in 2009, I guess he had to be considered this year. And looking at his time on the BBWAA ballot, I see he once got over 30% of the vote, which is another point in his favor, I suppose. But both of those results were travesties. And looking at him fresh, rather than being influenced by how the voters were wrong about him in previous votes, I don't know under what system he could possibly do well. I mean, I'm sure he wouldn't be the absolute worst player in the HoF, but my system has him behind Happy Jack Chesbro and Rube Marquard. By a lot.

Just going by rWAR, he ranks behind Chesbro but ahead of Marquard, and is in no way a serious candidate. I mean, looking from 1942 to 1972, so expanding out the time period of this vote's era to include his full career and be as favorable to him as possible, he ranks #50 in pitching WAR, behind such luminaries as Bob Buhl and Frank Lary. (And he was nothing special as a hitter or a fielder, so adding those WAR values in doesn't particularly help his cause.) Hell, limiting the years to his exact career, 1942 to 1954, which is cherry picking to show him in the best possible light, he ranks #13 in pitching WAR, behind, among others, Harry Brecheen and Virgil Trucks. Both of whom would be better candidates, and I wouldn't vote for them either.

Anyway, I know I'm preaching to the choir here, since Reynolds hasn't gotten a single vote in this thread, but I just had to get that off my chest. Hopefully the fact that he didn't get any support from the VC this year means he can be left off the next ballot for this era (in three years?) and an actual serious candidate can be added.

just found this. if it's not too late

Santo
Finley
Minoso

I'm having problems with the ballot counter spreadsheet I normally use to create a tally worthy of posting here at BBTF, so I'm just going to announce the winners here now and worry about posting a finished product at some other time (since it's only a mock election to begin with :-): Santo (93%)).

DCA: you were too late. The elections ended at 8 PM. Sorry about that. If it's any consolation, it wouldn't have changed anything.

How close was Minoso?

HoM players who didn't make this ballot include Torre, Wynn, Allen, Freehan and Pierce

This could have been a much more difficult election for Santo. If Santo had those guys on the ballot plus Minoso, Boyer, Tiant, the execs and Hodges - then vote for just 4.