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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Sunday, December 23, 20122013 BBTF Hall of Fame Election ResultsIf BBTF voted instead of the BBWAA, we would have elected Jeff Bagwell, Mike Piazza, Tim Raines, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Craig Biggio, Alan Trammell and Curt Schilling. Mark McGwire game up 4 votes shy of the 67 required. The average voter had 9.71 players per ballot.
Player Votes % Amongst the Hall of Merit subgroup there was very little difference, aside from the lack of love for Sammy Sosa. That is relative to this ballot though - he still did well enough in the Hall of Merit election to be a strong favorite for election in a few years once the herd thins a little. (24 voters, average voter had 9.75 candidates per ballot):
Player Votes % JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head
Posted: December 23, 2012 at 09:39 PM | 15 comment(s)
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1. JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head Posted: December 23, 2012 at 09:57 PM (#4331721)But then Sammy Sosa only picked up 4 votes of 24 here, and he finished a strong 6th in the Hall of Merit election, and looks very likely to get inducted there by 2017 or so.
Those two statements don't really jive with each other . . .
What they don't do is jibe with each other.
Amazing (and totally appropriate) that the average ballot rounds up to 10 names. If the BBWAA did the same, I suspect that the results would be much more palatable, even though of course Morris would be one of the beneficiaries. Heck, it's quite possible that we deal with a historically strong ballot by electing eight, while they elect none...
Good job Primates!
No . . . it was based on how one of 24 who voted in both elections voted. Assuming the voters were consistent on both votes that is what is implied. Or inferred. Not sure which, it's late.
It's harder because there are seven players on it that the HoM has already elected--Bagwell, Raines, Trammell, McGwire, Walker, Palmeiro, E. Martinez, plus four players we elected in their first year of eligibility this year: Ba. Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, and Biggio. Given that context, it's clear how Sosa could get pushed down, and he was pushed off a lot of ballots, including mine, if I recall correctly.
On the other hand, there are a hundred or so top players that the Hall of Fame no longer considers eligible that we do, which makes it a lot easier for Morris to slip onto the ballot of someone who tends to favor counting-stat pitcher candidates over peak candidates of any variety. Morris is not competing on this ballot with Grimes, John, and Willis, for example, so if a voter is prepared to rank pitchers like these ahead of a pitcher like Schilling or a player like Sosa, Morris is the best candidate of that type eligible, and so he sneaks onto the ballot.
In the BBWAA vote...Clemens has one more vote than Bonds.
Beats me, too. The Primate in question was JC (not to be confused with JC in DC) in post #80 of the balloting thread, and though another Primate hinted that JC may have left off Clemens by accident, he never got a response.
What I really don't understand is the lack of love for McGwire. I have him on the border between the Inner and Middle circles of the Hall. When I ask people about him in threads here, I get back complaints about a short career, which is true. But then, there are the peak and prime, and the fact that, for most of his career, he was playing in Oakland, which is a lousy homer park, and more than half his career is before 1994, so it wasn't Sillyball, either. I just don't get it, except for the people who use only WAR without realizing that WAR is a raw counting stat only and doesn't factor in peaks and primes. You can USE WAR to do work up peaks and primes, just as the New Historical Abstract uses Win Shares to fuel its system. But WAR, just added up over time, doesn't factor in peak and prime. That is, WAR is like Win Shares, but there is no equivalent to the New Historical system that I know of based on WAR. Perhaps that is starting to become a problem in analysis here, since it's so easy to go to BB-Ref and look up WAR. WAR, by itself, is not a fully robust system of evaluation for careers, although it is one for individual seasons. But, then, so is Linear Weights. Both need to be used as fuel for a more comprehensive system, as Bill does with the New Historical system. The only system I have heard of at all that uses WAR as fuel for something more comprehensive is JAWS, and that one seems a little rudimentary to me. It only takes career WAR and the strongest 7-year stretch, if I understand it right. That's not really robust enough for me. - Brock Hanke
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