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Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Curt Schilling
Frank Thomas
Left off due to ballot limit: Jeff Kent, Edgar Martinez, Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro, Tim Raines, Sammy Sosa, Alan Trammell, Larry Walker
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Alan Trammell
First cut was 17 players. Had to drop Sosa, Kent, Edgar, Biggio, Walker, McGwire and Frank Thomas. Everyone on this ballot is above a 50th percentile Hall of Famer. FWIW - Frank Thomas is also above the 50th percentile.
Thanks ajnrules - is your contact information up to date in your profile?
BTW speaking from experience alphabetized ballots are a big help to the ballot counter.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Curt Schilling
Frank Thomas
Alan Trammell
I feel pretty good about the first nine names, which is to say I feel strongly they're the best nine on the ballot; however, that still left me with 10 names from which to choose the 10th man. I went with Trammell purely out of hometown bias. My 10 consisted of all of the players ajnrules listed, sub Biggio for Trammell, plus Sosa and McGriff. (Edited to alphabetize the names)
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Mussina
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Thomas
My first pass I put down everyone I wanted to vote for, but with full understanding that I'd have to leave deserving sluggers like Sosa, Palmeiro, McGwire off for ballot limitations, and I also would not have the space to vote for guys I want in like Trammell, Walker, Edgar. That left me with 11 guys, my no-brainers. It is very difficult to cross off Biggio to get down to 10 names, but a choice had to be made.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Fred McGriff
Mark McGwire
Rafael Palmeiro
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Sammy Sosa
Alan Trammell
Damn, that's tough. Since I know I'm likely to take heat, read the ballot rules - there's no suggestion that it's a relative ranking at all. There's no reason to vote for the 10 most qualified candidates - only ten qualified candidates. From the candidates I find suitable, I chose those where I though my vote was most likely to put them over 75%, or over 5% - the best use of the obviously insufficient number of slots.
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
McGwire
Piazza
Schilling
Sosa
Thomas
I've left off 6 or 8 deserving names (as most of us feel, I'm sure), including some that I've voted for several times before (Raines, Trammell), because better candidates are accumulating.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Curt Schilling
Frank Thomas
Larry Walker
Tough to cut: Biggio, Raines, Trammell
Easier to cut, but considered: McGwire, Palmeiro, Sosa
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Curt Schilling
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker
Rank ordered:
1. Bonds
2. Clemens
3. Maddux
4. Schilling
5. Piazza
6. Mussina
7. Glavine
8. Walker
9. Bagwell
10. Trammell
Deserving players left off due to ballot limit:
11. Thomas
12. Martinez
13. Palmeiro
14. Raines
15. Sosa
16. Biggio
17. McGwire
Except for the part about, "Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played." I think that pretty clearly says you should vote for the better player. YMMV.
Kenny Lofton would be available but Fred McGriff would not.
last year's results
McGwire was elected in 2012
2012
2011
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
McGwire
Piazza
Raines
Thomas
McGwire was my #10 selection, but at some point during my contemplation so were Mussina, Schilling, and Trammell.
Also, given how much we like voting, we could have two votes. One using the BBWAA list of candidates, and one reflecting our own history! We could run the latter after the BBWAA-based election is concluded.
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Mussina
Piazza
Schilling
Thomas
This is tough.
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Fred McGriff
Mike Piazza
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker
Nine guys (all the usual suspects) left off due to ballot size.
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Curt Schilling
Frank Thomas
Alan Trammell
Clemens
Bonds
Glavine
Thomas
Piazza
Bagwell
Mussina
Schilling
Trammell
Top 9 are pretty easy. The 10th spot is a real #####. Trammell, Biggio, Raines, Walker. It's literally a pick'em. I pick Trammell. Tomorrow I might pick Raines. It's no shame being the 11th best choice in this group. Or for that matter, the 15th.
Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Mussina
Piazza
Schilling
Thomas
Trammell
In alphabetical order:
Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Frank Thomas
Alan Trammell
HoF worthy, and forced off solely by the 10 vote limitation:
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Sammy Sosa
Larry Walker
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Frank Thomas
Alan Trammell
Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Piazza
Schilling
Thomas
Trammell
I did vote for McGwire, Raines, and Walker last year, and would clearly do so again if there were room. I would vote for Mussina if there were room, I would vote for Lofton and Sosa if there were room. So that's 16 names I would have on the ballot.
I'm set up to count. DL from MN knows where to find me.
Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Mussina
Piazza
Raines
Thomas
Actual Ballot:
Curt Schilling
Frank Thomas
Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
If I had room I'd also vote for:
Mike Mussina
Alan Trammell
Edgar Martinez
Mark McGwire
Larry Walker
If I had room after that I'd consider adding:
Sammy Sosa
Rafael Palmeiro
Jeff Kent
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Frank Thomas
Alan Trammell
Just missing the cut due to ballot size limit: Edgar Martinez, Tim Raines, Curt Schilling, Larry Walker
Here's the big 10:
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Mike Piazza
Tom Glavine
Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Mark McGwire
Mike Mussina
Frank Thomas
Guys I would have voted for in a normal environment:
Jeff Kent (maybe)
Edgar Martinez
Rafael Palmeiro
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker
Well, at any rate - if it was up to me, here's who this year's speech-givers would be:
Bonds
Clemens
Bagwell
Glavine
Maddux
F. Thomas
Piazza
Trammell
Schilling
Mussina
If allowed more than 10 votes I'd add Raines, McGwire, Schilling, Biggio, and probably Walker, too.
Craig Biggio
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Frank Thomas
Alan Trammell
Suppose I want to leave one or more first timers off, not to prevent unanimous inductees, but to keep others from falling below 5%. Would this still be frowned upon?
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
McGwire
Palmeiro
Piazza
Schilling
Sosa
Thomas
Obvious omission because he wouldn't need my vote to get in and Sosa and Palmeiro might need the vote just to stay on the ballot, so this is slightly different than my top 10.
Bagwell
Biggio
Glavine
Martinez
Mussina
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Thomas
Walker
Greg Maddux
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Frank Thomas
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Mussina
Piazza
Schilling
Thomas
Walker
Also supported, but no room:
Biggio
McGwire
Martinez
Palmeiro
Raines
Trammell
IMO the Hall of Fame should be for the top few ballplayers of every era, so the standards for this era should be raised to take into account the fact that it's easier to achieve them (i.e. more players do). I don't care about minor era imbalances, but the fact that we have several players coming on the ballot for several years who meet the past historical standards of the HoF (by counting stats, OPS+, ERA+, WAR, WS, whatever) makes me think we need to raise the statistical standards.
My ballot does not have 10 guys on it for this reason. I also value fame a lot for this exercise -- the HoF is a museum that should include the most relevant players from each era -- the most historically significant -- not the best. It's designed to take a tour of baseball through the ages.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Mark McGwire
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Sammy Sosa
Frank Thomas
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Frank Thomas
Tom Glavine
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Mike Piazza
2) Roger Clemens
3) Greg Maddux
4) Mike Piazza
5) Jeff Bagwell
6) Curt Schilling
7) Alan Trammell
8) Frank Thomas
9) Mike Mussina
10) Larry Walker
Obviously many people I would want to vote for left off. Walker vs Raines for the last spot is basically a coin flip. I'm probably a little higher on Trammell than most here, but I'm convinced by Dan R's argument that rWAR and fWAR underrate shortstops from the 70's and 80's.
You're right. It's totally absurd that when the voting rules state, "Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability..." one might think they should vote for the best players. What was I thinking!
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
McGwire
Piazza
Raines
Thomas
Trammell
Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Mussina
Piazza
Raines
Thomas
Obviously there are tons of qualified candidates, there are 19 that I could see myself voting for in different circs. The really painful cuts to me were Trammell and Walker. Walker's pretty firmly my 12th preferred candidate on this ballot; Glavine/Mussina/Trammell just kills me to cut one.
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Mussina
Piazza
Raines
Thomas
Will Kent (among others) fall off after this ballot? Almost think it would be best to have a few clearly deserving players fall off the ballot to drive home the problem. If I remember correctly players were reinstated to the ballot once before so maybe Kent & others could be reinstated after the backlog clears. Rather than voters submitting strategic ballots the problem would be fixed quicker if they just voted for 10 best candidates and if players fall off they fall off. Keeping 15 guys on the ballot with between 6 and 20% doesn't solve anything. Could make things worse if a voter skips players he assume will obviously going to clear 75% only to see them come in at < 75%.
I assume sarcasm is intended here, but I don't believe it's justified. I can say that every one of my 10 slots contains a player whose record and ability I deem worthy of the Hall, and therefore my voting is in compliance with the rules. There are no rules pertaining to deciding who to LEAVE OFF.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Jeff Bagwell
Curt Schilling
Mike Piazza
Frank Thomas
Alan Trammell
Mike Mussina
Tom Glavine
Left off due to the 10-person limit: Craig Biggio, Jeff Kent, Edgar Martinez, Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro, Tim Raines, Sammy Sosa, and Larry Walker.
Other players who have already been eliminated from the ballot by the 5% rule whom I would like to vote for include Kevin Brown, Will Clark, David Cone, Kenny Lofton, Brett Saberhagen, Robin Ventura, and Lou Whitaker.
Players who retired after 1980 who have been eliminated from the ballot by the 15-year eligibility limit whom I would like to vote for include Buddy Bell, Bobby Bonds, Bert Campaneris, Darrell Evans, Dwight Evans, Bobby Grich, Keith Hernandez, Graig Nettles, Willie Randolph, Rick Reuschel, Ted Simmons, Reggie Smith, Dave Stieb, and Luis Tiant.
So that’s 39. What a mess. The small-Hall folks wouldn’t agree with the idea that there are around 40 players from the last 40 years who have left out of the Hall by the BBWAA, but even only putting in 25 of these players would still be holding the post-1970 generation to a much higher standard than earlier ones.
Clemens
Bonds
Glavine
Thomas
Piazza
Bagwell
Mussina
Schilling
Raines
...I guess.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mark McGwire
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Sammy Sosa
Frank Thomas
Alan Trammell
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Frank Thomas
1. Barry Bonds
2. Roger Clemens
3. Greg Maddux
4. Frank Thomas
5. Tom Glavine
6. Curt Schilling
7. Mike Piazza
8. Mark McGwire
9. Sammy Sosa
10. Jeff Bagwell
Wish I could squeeze Biggio and Raines in
Biggio over Bonds (roids)
Trammell over Mussina (for each of us, I think this is just a tough call, I'd vote Trammell if I could.)
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Martinez
McGwire
Piazza
Thomas
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Kent
McGwire
Palmeiro
Piazza
Raines
Sosa
I don't believe a faction of the BBWAA should have veto over HoF elections, using criteria I disagree with, so I'm continuing to vote for worthy candidates from previous years who should have been inducted by now, rather than pass them over in favor of more recent candidates who also deserve election, and in some cases may even be more deserving. Unfortunately, that results in game of chicken between the BBWAA factions (also reflected here & elsewhere) and possibly years of stalemate. If there was no ballot glut, I'd also vote for Glavine, Maddux, Mussina, and perhaps others.
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Mussina
Piazza
Schilling
Thomas
Walker
I think the first nine are relatively easy calls. Trammell vs. Walker for the 10th spot is close, but I think Walker comes out a bit ahead. 12-15 is some ordering of Edgar, Raines, Biggio, McGwire. And I'd also induct Sosa, Palmeiro, and Kent. I've voted for McGriff in the past when we had the ballot space, and remain on the fence about him. But the 17 guys above him all deserve induction, for sure.
2) Craig Biggio
3) Barry Bonds
4) Roger Clemens
5) Tom Glavine
6) Greg Maddux
7) Mike Piazza
8) Tim Raines
9) Frank Thomas
10) Curt Schilling
Would also vote for Jeff Kent, Edgar Martinez, Mark McGwire, Mike Mussina, Rafael Palmeiro, Sammy Sosa, Alan Trammell and Larry Walker if there wasn't a limit.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Mike Mussina
Frank Thomas
Jeff Bagwell
Larry Walker
Alan Trammell
Tim Raines
Mike Piazza
Real had to decide between Schilling/Glavine and Raines/Piazza. But Raines and Piazza are among the ten best at their position all time (as are Bonds, Clemens, Maddux, Thomas, Bagwell, Walker, and Trammell), so I have to go with them.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Frank Thomas
Alan Trammell
#11 was Schilling, couple others are HOF worthy, absurdly deep ballot
Jeff Bagwell
Frank Thomas
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Mike Piazza
Mark McGwire
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Tom Glavine
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Raines
Smith
Thomas
I've explained my approach to the PED issue before, no need to go into that again.
-- MWE
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Jack Morris
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Frank Thomas
Alan Trammell
They, along with several others on the ballot, belong in the Hall of Fame.
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mark McGwire
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Frank Thomas
Let's say Curt Flood and Marvin Miller never challenged the reserve clause. Mike, you can have one of these players for his entire career:
Lee Smith
Mike Mussina
Jeff Bagwell
Alan Trammell
Mike Piazza
Would you pick Smith? And if not, why are you voting yes for him and none of the others?
I fully realize that my conception of the HoF is not the normal one, but this is why we have democracy.
Thomas
Glavine
Bonds
Clemens
Biggio
Schilling
Mussina
Piazza
Bagwell
I call BS on the historical relevance. Trammell was the reason Detroit won a championship. Bagwell was an MVP. Mussina was a CYA pitcher. What did Lee Smith do that was more significant?
You know SBB you could really have thrown primates for a loop if you left Morris out of your 10... (which on a ballot this deep you could easily do while still claiming he was hall worthy)
If they had not trashed the Veterans Committee after 2001, at least one-third of these would already be elected.
The Hall is structured so that the BBWAA is tasked with inducting the no-brainers, the obvious HOFers. It's then left to the VC to define the Hall's minimum standards. Right now the VC has left almost an entire generation out in the cold, having rejected all candidates retiring from 1975-92.
I can see a historical relevance argument used to push... Tommy John, over the line, or Ichiro!
For 13 years Lee Smith was the all time saves leader, he's now 3rd.
For 10 years John Hiller was the all time single season saves leader, and you know what he was as good a pitcher as Lee Smith,so if Smith why not Hiller? If Smith goes in, Hoffman has to go in right? He unseated Smith, what about Reardon, the man Smith unseated?
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Mussina
Piazza
Schilling
Thomas
Trammell
Not an original observation, but this was... challenging. My first cut was 19 players. I dropped two 3000-hit players, and three 500-homer players (one guy obviously was in both groups), and barely found room for a 300-game winner.
I still think those are pretty useful standards. Are there any 10 all-star game players on the current ballot that don't meet one of the above listed milestones?
DL: I've been trying to send you an email through the site, and I've been getting errors. Could you try sending a message to me?
Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Edgar Martinez
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Frank Thomas
Obviously, there are more fully qualified candidates than these, but the ballot limit makes some tough choices inevitable...
Of course, if I did vote again, I might come up with an entirely different list - that's how many fairly qualified candidates are on this list.
This is so weird - if you got rid of the top 6 or so most obviously "no doubt" candidates based on performance only - you would still be left with at least 10 reasonably qualified candidates - and every one of them would be better than anybody Frankie Frisch was ever teammates with.
Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Piazza
Raines
Thomas
Trammell
And I didn't want J.T. Snow's only appearance on this ballot go by without fondly remembering him scooping up Darren Baker.
I think you're underrating Mel Ott and Johnny Mize.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Frank Thomas
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker
19 guys I'd strongly consider voting for and of those, 16 I'd definitely vote for given an expanded ballot.
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Piazza
Curt Schilling
Alan Trammell
Frank Thomas
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Thomas
Sorry, joke must be made..
Anyone else find this hard?
I'm hoping that becomes the new, ' I hear Soriano is available' meme...
I am an avowed small-hall voter. Despite this, I found I could fill out a complete ballot of ten names.
Listed in order of number of years on the ballot.
1. Alan Trammell
2. Mark McGwire
3. Tim Raines
4. Jeff Bagwell
5. Craig Biggio
6. Barry Bonds
7. Roger Clemens
8. Mike Piazza
9. Greg Maddux
10. Frank Thomas
If I had room, I would vote for Lee Smith. But he could well be the only other player I would vote for.
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mark McGwire
Mike Piazza
Curt Schilling
Frank Thomas
The majority were no-brainers. Biggio was my last choice.I could easily see any of Kent,Martinez,Mussina, Raines,Sosa,Trammell,Walker taking his spot.
Bagwell
Biggio
Glavine
Maddux
Martinez
Mussina
Piazza
Schilling
Thomas
Trammell
My Ballot- Ranked
Maddux (Top tier of HOF starting pitchers.)
Thomas (Top of the middle tier of HOF first basemen.)
Bagwell (Top of the middle tier of HOF first basemen.)
Piazza (Top of the middle tier of HOF catchers.)
Trammell (solidly in the middle tier of HOF shortstops.)
Martinez (Solidly in the middle tier of HOF third basemen, which is the comp I would use.)
Schilling (Solidly in the middle tier of HOF starting pitchers.)
Mussina (Solidly in the middle tier of HOF starting pitchers.)
Glavine (Safely in the middle tier of HOF starting pitchers.)
Biggio (Safely in the middle tier of HOF second basemen.)
Toughest Cuts
Raines (Bottom of the middle tier of HOF left fielders)
Walker (Borderline middle tier HOF right fielder)
Kent (Borderline middle tier HOF second baseman)
Bonds, Clemens (Would vote for them if there were less than ten middle tier or better candidates. I am not against their induction, but I would vote for middle tier or better guys with less PED issues before them.)
Almost did the same myself...
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds,
Roger Clemens,
Tom Glavine,
Greg Maddux,
Mike Mussina,
Mike Piazza,
Tim Raines,
Curt Schilling,
Frank Thomas
Biggio/Bagwell/Mussina/Trammell battle royal for the last couple of slots.
Biggio, Craig
Bonds, Barry
Clemens, Roger
Glavine, Tom
Maddux, Greg
Mussina, Mike
Piazza, Mike
Thomas, Frank
Trammell, Alan
This is the 1st time I've maxed out a ballot, and there are four other names I'd love to've included on my ballot: Curt Schilling, Tim Raines, Larry Walker, & Edgar Martinez. And I consider myself a small Hall supporter. . . .
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Frank Thomas
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Edgar Martinez
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Frank Thomas
Alan Trammell
It says specifically what "voting shall be based on." Not included? Strategic considerations.
There's a reason "and Museum" is named separately from "Hall of Fame."
Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Mussina
Piazza
Schilling
Thomas
Trammell
bagwell
biggio
bonds
clemens
glavine
maddux
mussina
piazza
raines
thomas
Clemens
Piazza
Bagwell
Thomas
Glavine
Maddux
Schilling
Mussina
Raines
So, with that said, here are the 10 guys who made my ballot, in alphabetical order.
Bagwell
Biggio
Glavine
Maddux
Mussina
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Thomas
Trammell
I really struggled to eliminate one of Mussina, Trammell, and Larry Walker. I feel bad excluding Walker - and Martinez and Kent and Bonds and Clemens and McGwire and Palmeiro and Sosa - and I feel bad that I couldn't even really bother considering Fred McGriff's case or even Lee Smith, who I think has a reasonably strong case for a relief pitcher, but not on this ballot.
I'm much more interesting in hearing who people think are the best candidates and why. I'm a lot less interested in hearing theories about what sort of candidates are best to vote for given what other people will do.
Wait, do people think Trevor Hoffman is or shouldn't be a Hall of Famer (in the abstract, not against the actual ballot competition)? I think of him as a deserving shoo-in.
Biggio
Glavine
Maddux
Martinez
Mussina
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Thomas
Probably puts me in the minority, but i did not run out of ballot space. Other than those 10, I didn't want to vote for anyone else.
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
McGwire
Piazza
Schilling
Thomas
Bagwell
Piazza
Thomas
Biggio
Raines
Glavine
Schilling
Mussina
Kent
I admit to some strategic voting here...I left off Bonds and Clemens because I know they won't fall off the ballot but won't make it this year either, and put on Mussina and Kent because I don't want them falling below 5% right away. When I can count 18 players I would vote for, I guess I can stomach leaving off the known steroid guys to make sure the "clean" guys get a chance at election or staying on the ballot. Apologies to Edgar, Trammell, Walker, McGwire, McGriff and Palmeiro as well who I would have voted for had there been space.
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