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Thursday, January 09, 2020

2020 Hall of Merit Election Results: Jeter, Tiant, Jones and Helton

Congratulations to our new members of the Hall of Merit - Derek Jeter, Luis Tiant, Andruw Jones and Todd Helton.

RK  LY  Player            PTS  Bal  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
1  n/e  Derek Jeter       658  30  22  2  1  1        1        1     1     1
2    4  Luis Tiant        370  25      2  4  3  1  2  2  1     3     2  1  3  1
3    7  Andruw Jones      348  21   2  4  4     2  1     1     2     1  2  1  1
4    5  Todd Helton       330  22   2     1  3  3  1  3  1  1  2  2  2     1     

5    6  Kenny Lofton      323  20      1  5  2  1  4     2  1  1  1        1  1
6   10  Johan Santana     246  19      2     1  1  2     1  4  2  1  2  2     1
7   12  Sammy Sosa        231  18      1     1  2  1  3  1  2  1  2  1  1  1  1
8    9  Jeff Kent         231  14      3  1  2  1  2  1  1     1        1     1
9   13  Lance Berkman     216  13   1        4  1  2     3  1  1              
10 n/e  Bobby Abreu       200  15      1  1     1  2  1  3  2     1     1  2  
11  17  Buddy Bell        189  12      1  1  3  1  1  2              1     1  1
12  11  Wally Schang      176  12      2  1  1  1     2           2  1  1     1
13  20  Bobby Bonds       155  13      1     1  1     1  1     1  1  2  2  1  1
14  21  Sal Bando         146  10      1     2     1     3  1        1        1

15  18  Vic Willis        136  11      1  1        1        1  1  3  1     2
16  16  Bob Johnson       121  11                     2  3     2  1     2     1
17   8  Ben Taylor        115  10      1           2  1        1  1        3  1
18  24  Andy Pettitte     109   9         1     1  1     1  1     1  1        2
19  23  Tommy John         98   8      1  1     1           1              1  3
20  22  Don Newcombe       95   8         1           1  1  1  1  1        1  1
21  19  Jorge Posada       87   6      1           2  1     1           1
22  30T Urban Shocker      85   7      1     1           1              2     2
23  15  Phil Rizzuto       84   7      1        1              1  1  2        1
24  14  Thurman Munson     81   6   1                 2  1              2
25 n/e  Jason Giambi       73   6               1        1  3           1 
26  26  Tommy Bridges      64   5      1        1                 1     1  1 
27  58T Hugh Duffy         64   3         1  2
28  33  Kevin Appier       61   5                  1  1     2           1  
29  30T Bert Campaneris    57   7                              1     2  1  2  1
30  28  Tommy Leach        56   5                  1  1        1     1     1 
31  46T Roy Oswalt         56   4   1           1                 1           1
32  64T Dizzy Dean         54   3   1     1                             1
33  42T Tommy Bond         48   3            2                                1
34  38  Vern Stephens      36   3               1        1                 1
35  25  Art Fletcher       35   3                     1        1  1           
36T 27  Gavvy Cravath      34   3                  1     1                    1
36T 40  Fred McGriff       34   3               1              1           1
38  36  Eddie Cicotte      34   2         1                 1
39T 32  Joe Tinker         33   3                           1  1  1
39T 29  Bucky Walters      33   3                     1           1  1
41  35  Bus Clarkson       31   2         1                          1
42  52T Hilton Smith       30   2               1     1
43  76T Brian Giles        29   3                           1  1              1
44T 44  Luke Easter        29   2         1                                1
44T 42T Addie Joss         29   2      1                                      1
46  50T Ernie Lombardi     28   2               1           1
47  39  Mickey Welch       26   3                                 1     2
48  34  Bobby Veach        26   2               1                 1
49  49  Babe Adams         24   2      0        1                       1
50  76T Luis Aparicio      23   2                        1        1
51  41  Jim McCormick      23   1      1
52  --  Tony Perez         22   2                  1                       1
53T 46T Dwight Gooden      22   1         1
53T 37  Dolf Luque         22   1         1
55  --  Lou Brock          21   1            1
56  76T Dale Murphy        17   2                                    1  1  
57T --  Charlie Buffinton  16   1               1                              
57T --  Elston Howard      16   1               1                           
59  52T Nomar Garciaparra  15   1                  1                         
60T 56T Mickey Lolich      14   1                     1                        
60T 58T Tony Mullane       14   1                     1                   
62  48  Bob Elliott        13   1                        1                   
63T 68T Kiki Cuyler        12   1                           1                 
63T 73T Luis Gonzalez      12   1                           1                 
63T --  Al Rosen           12   1                           1                 
63T 56T Lee Smith          12   1                           1               
67T --  Darryl Strawberry  11   1                              1             
67T --  Javier Vazquez     11   1                              1             
67T 58T Billy Wagner       11   1                              1              
70T 71T Dave Bancroft      10   1                                 1            
70T 58T Frank Chance       10   1                                 1           
70T --  Lance Parrish      10   1                                 1           
70T --  Bernie Williams    10   1                                 1          
74T 45  Johnny Evers        9   1                                    1       
74T 58T Chuck Finley        9   1                                    1       
74T --  Ron Guidry          9   1                                    1       
74T 64T Harry Hooper        9   1                                    1       
74T 71T Hurley McNair       9   1                                    1       
74T --  Jim Whitney         9   1                                    1
80T n/e Cliff Lee           8   1                                       1     
80T --  Jim Sundberg        8   1                                       1     
80T 50T Frank Tanana        8   1                                       1     
83T 52T Tommy Henrich       7   1                                          1  
83T --  Kirby Puckett       7   1                                          1  
83T --  Ned Williamson      7   1                                          1  
86T 68T Orel Hershiser      6   1                                             1
86T 55  John Olerud         6   1                                             1
86T 80  Robin Ventura       6   1                                             1 

Dropped Out: Sam Bankhead(76T), Fred Dunlap(64T), Silvio Garcia(73T), Heavy Johnson(68T), Carlos Moran(58T), Tony Phillips(73T), Jack Quinn(64T).

Ballots Cast: 30

DL from MN Posted: January 09, 2020 at 10:04 PM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: January 09, 2020 at 10:18 PM (#5914396)
Sorry if the formatting is off, it's not easy to get it to set up correctly. I thought the numbers were more important than getting all the rows to show up correctly.
   2. DL from MN Posted: January 09, 2020 at 10:26 PM (#5914397)
BTW - thanks to all the volunteer ballot counters
   3. Bleed the Freak Posted: January 09, 2020 at 10:44 PM (#5914398)
Congrats to 3 front/backloggers!!!

With Tim Hudson and Mark Buehrle as the strongest newbies, we have a year to do our earnest homework on the backlog.
   4. Rob_Wood Posted: January 10, 2020 at 12:37 AM (#5914413)
Thanks to all who voted, both old and new voters, and everyone who posted on the Discussion thread throughout the year.

And special thanks to the HOM admin team including DL and the ballot counters.

P.S. If we are still doing plaques, someone should probably volunteer to write the plaques for the 2020 HOM electees.
   5. Jaack Posted: January 10, 2020 at 02:05 AM (#5914421)
Congrats to the inductees! I was hoping that Lofton would complete his comeback but I can't be to upset with Helton hanging on. Lofton looks to be a lock for next year anyway.

Abreu looks like he'll join the frontlog. Giambi's showing isn't too bad, but he was destined to be a polarizing candidate. Glad that Cliff Lee got a vote - keeps him from joining the not votes team.
   6. bbmck Posted: January 10, 2020 at 07:35 AM (#5914430)
Gavvy Cravath and Nomar Garciaparra are typos.

RK  LY  Player            PTS  Bal  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
1  n
/e  Derek Jeter       658  30  22  2  1  1        1        1     1     1
2    4  Luis Tiant        370  25      2  4  3  1  2  2  1     3     2  1  3  1
3    7  Andruw Jones      348  21   2  4  4     2  1     1     2     1  2  1  1
4    5  Todd Helton       330  22   2     1  3  3  1  3  1  1  2  2  2     1     

5    6  Kenny Lofton      323  20      1  5  2  1  4     2  1  1  1        1  1
6   10  Johan Santana     246  19      2     1  1  2     1  4  2  1  2  2     1
7   12  Sammy Sosa        231  18      1     1  2  1  3  1  2  1  2  1  1  1  1
8    9  Jeff Kent         231  14      3  1  2  1  2  1  1     1        1     1
9   13  Lance Berkman     216  13   1        4  1  2     3  1  1              
10 n
/e  Bobby Abreu       200  15      1  1     1  2  1  3  2     1     1  2  
11  17  Buddy Bell        189  12      1  1  3  1  1  2              1     1  1
12  11  Wally Schang      176  12      2  1  1  1     2           2  1  1     1
13  20  Bobby Bonds       155  13      1     1  1     1  1     1  1  2  2  1  1
14  21  Sal Bando         146  10      1     2     1     3  1        1        1

15  18  Vic Willis        136  11      1  1        1        1  1  3  1     2
16  16  Bob Johnson       121  11                     2  3     2  1     2     1
17   8  Ben Taylor        115  10      1           2  1        1  1        3  1
18  24  Andy Pettitte     109   9         1     1  1     1  1     1  1        2
19  23  Tommy John         98   8      1  1     1           1              1  3
20  22  Don Newcombe       95   8         1           1  1  1  1  1        1  1
21  19  Jorge Posada       87   6      1           2  1     1           1
22  30T Urban Shocker      85   7      1     1           1              2     2
23  15  Phil Rizzuto       84   7      1        1              1  1  2        1
24  14  Thurman Munson     81   6   1                 2  1              2
25 n
/e  Jason Giambi       73   6               1        1  3           1 
26  26  Tommy Bridges      64   5      1        1                 1     1  1 
27  58T Hugh Duffy         64   3         1  2
28  33  Kevin Appier       61   5                  1  1     2           1  
29  30T Bert Campaneris    57   7                              1     2  1  2  1
30  28  Tommy Leach        56   5                  1  1        1     1     1 
31  46T Roy Oswalt         56   4   1           1                 1           1
32  64T Dizzy Dean         54   3   1     1                             1
33  42T Tommy Bond         48   3            2                                1
34  38  Vern Stephens      36   3               1        1                 1
35  25  Art Fletcher       35   3                     1        1  1           
36T 27  Gavvy Cravath      34   3                  1     1                    1
36T 40  Fred McGriff       34   3               1              1           1
38  36  Eddie Cicotte      34   2         1                 1
39T 32  Joe Tinker         33   3                           1  1  1
39T 29  Bucky Walters      33   3                     1           1  1
41  35  Bus Clarkson       31   2         1                          1
42  52T Hilton Smith       30   2               1     1
43  76T Brian Giles        29   3                           1  1              1
44T 44  Luke Easter        29   2         1                                1
44T 42T Addie Joss         29   2      1                                      1
46  50T Ernie Lombardi     28   2               1           1
47  39  Mickey Welch       26   3                                 1     2
48  34  Bobby Veach        26   2               1                 1
49  49  Babe Adams         24   2      0        1                       1
50  76T Luis Aparicio      23   2                        1        1
51  41  Jim McCormick      23   1      1
52  
--  Tony Perez         22   2                  1                       1
53T 46T Dwight Gooden      22   1         1
53T 37  Dolf Luque         22   1         1
55  
--  Lou Brock          21   1            1
56  76T Dale Murphy        17   2                                    1  1  
57T 
--  Charlie Buffinton  16   1               1                              
57T 
--  Elston Howard      16   1               1                           
59  52T Nomar Garciaparra  15   1                  1                         
60T 56T Mickey Lolich      14   1                     1                        
60T 58T Tony Mullane       14   1                     1                   
62  48  Bob Elliott        13   1                        1                   
63T 68T Kiki Cuyler        12   1                           1                 
63T 73T Luis Gonzalez      12   1                           1                 
63T 
--  Al Rosen           12   1                           1                 
63T 56T Lee Smith          12   1                           1               
67T 
--  Darryl Strawberry  11   1                              1             
67T 
--  Javier Vazquez     11   1                              1             
67T 58T Billy Wagner       11   1                              1              
70T 71T Dave Bancroft      10   1                                 1            
70T 58T Frank Chance       10   1                                 1           
70T 
--  Lance Parrish      10   1                                 1           
70T 
--  Bernie Williams    10   1                                 1          
74T 45  Johnny Evers        9   1                                    1       
74T 58T Chuck Finley        9   1                                    1       
74T 
--  Ron Guidry          9   1                                    1       
74T 64T Harry Hooper        9   1                                    1       
74T 71T Hurley McNair       9   1                                    1       
74T 
--  Jim Whitney         9   1                                    1
80T n
/e Cliff Lee           8   1                                       1     
80T 
--  Jim Sundberg        8   1                                       1     
80T 50T Frank Tanana        8   1                                       1     
83T 52T Tommy Henrich       7   1                                          1  
83T 
--  Kirby Puckett       7   1                                          1  
83T 
--  Ned Williamson      7   1                                          1  
86T 68T Orel Hershiser      6   1                                             1
86T 55  John Olerud         6   1                                             1
86T 80  Robin Ventura       6   1                                             1 
   7. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: January 10, 2020 at 09:13 AM (#5914448)
No exaggeration, this one was up for grabs, and Joe D being unable to cast a ballot made a big difference. On his 2019 ballot, Joe had Lofton high on it and Helton off it by a good amount by his own reckoning. Since Lofton lost out by 8 points, as long as Joe had placed him 13th or higher, or place him eight points ahead of Helton, he'd have been our fourth. Wow, that's a razor thin margin.

Thanks to everyone who was able to vote this time around! It really made a difference in an exciting horse race.
   8. DL from MN Posted: January 10, 2020 at 09:56 AM (#5914463)
Thanks for the formatting, I updated above.

One new player who was an obvious pick, one player I have been supporting for years and two guys I would probably never vote for. I think Andruw Jones might be the worst player we've ever elected. I was kind of shocked when he slid in behind Nellie Fox and Willard Brown on my elected player rankings.
   9. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: January 10, 2020 at 10:04 AM (#5914468)
I think Andruw Jones might be the worst player we've ever elected.

A) That says amazingly good things about the HOM
B) We've got some real clinkers: Eppa Rixey, Earl Averill, Sam Thompson, Dickey Pearce, Ezra Sutton, Stan Hack, Lip Pike, Al Spalding. One might quibble with a name on this list, but it's hard to quibble with all of them.
   10. Jaack Posted: January 10, 2020 at 10:29 AM (#5914476)
It's funny Doc, the only two guys on that list that I think we're bad choices are Sutton and Pike. Everyone else is borderline in for me.

Now if you had said Edd Roush, then I would agree with you. The only guys I would outright kick out of the HoM are Roush, Willard Brown, and Nellie Fox.
   11. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: January 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM (#5914478)
Roush, definitely should have been on that list. And I agree with Fox as well. Everyone can likely find someone in that list of 10 fellas that they'd think is the worst.
   12. DL from MN Posted: January 10, 2020 at 10:57 AM (#5914485)
I'm not a fan of Lip Pike or Pete Browning but at least they are early candidates who are less data driven. Honestly Lip Pike rates the lowest of anyone on my list - except Rollie Fingers who is the absolute worst pick we have made.

My list of HoM who are unlikely to ever make PHoM (even in drought of several elections) in reverse order

Rollie Fingers
Lip Pike
Andruw Jones
Pete Browning
Willard Brown
George Sisler (career just too short, I understand why peak voters like him)
Nellie Fox
Joe McGinnity
Bob Lemon
Edd Roush
Bill Terry
Ralph Kiner
Todd Helton
   13. Carl Goetz Posted: January 10, 2020 at 11:00 AM (#5914487)
I'm going to disagree on Pearce. Being fair to all eras should include an inductee from the 1860s and Pearce was well known as the best of those. I agree he frustrates my ranking system and I choose not to rank him at all, but I think induction was the right way to go there. Just my 2 cents. I like all of the choices for election here, but am disappointed in the fall of Schang and Munson this year.
   14. Mike Webber Posted: January 10, 2020 at 11:02 AM (#5914489)
No exaggeration, this one was up for grabs, and Joe D being unable to cast a ballot made a big difference. On his 2019 ballot, Joe had Lofton high on it and Helton off it by a good amount by his own reckoning. Since Lofton lost out by 8 points, as long as Joe had placed him 13th or higher, or place him eight points ahead of Helton, he'd have been our fourth. Wow, that's a razor thin margin.


I got a text from Joe D this morning

"My vote would not have mattered whew. I would never have voted Lofton over Helton."

He followed up with a text saying he has cooled on both Lofton and Andruw, due to his perception that the fielding numbers are "shaky"
   15. JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head Posted: January 10, 2020 at 11:15 AM (#5914492)
I am less enamored with their big defensive numbers. Than I was (and I was never that high on them anyway). But maybe I would have.

Sorry for being completely AWOL this year everyone. Really appreciate you guys keeping the machine going, and 30 ballots is a great number!

Also, I think the case for a bunch of the players mentioned above has been a little forgotten. Sutton was a great candidate, for example, but the case is not obvious.
   16. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: January 10, 2020 at 11:30 AM (#5914501)
Yeah, Fingers and Lemon belong on the list too.

Sutton was a great candidate when we only had Win Shares. Other, more modern, systems have a really different opinion.
   17. Jaack Posted: January 10, 2020 at 11:51 AM (#5914514)
Pearce and Frank Grant are the two candidates that are basically impossible to rank. It's great that they are inducted, but if we ever end up creating a comtributor/pioneer wing or something, I would not be opposed to moving those two over.

---
My bottom ten HoMers
Nellie Fox
Edd Roush
Willard Brown
Joe McGinnity
Pete Browning
Dave Stieb
Bob Lemon
Clark Griffith
Will Clark
Lip Pike

Technically my system spits out Bob Caruthers and Dave Winfield with that bunch, but I don't consider either of those two mistakes.
   18. DL from MN Posted: January 10, 2020 at 12:09 PM (#5914523)
Just counted and Tiant has been on my ballot 33 times. This feels good.
   19. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: January 10, 2020 at 12:16 PM (#5914528)
The thing about Pearce that feels like a mistake to me (and no offense to our friend Grandma John) is that it feels like we elected him because of his pioneering in the areas of shortstop and bunting. Now I may be wrong about that because Pearce was being elected just as I was coming on as a voter, but the conversation most definitely included that as a selling point. We don't extend that kind of pioneering to any other player: Doc Adams (who invented shortstop), Candy Cummings (who may/not have invented the curve), Roger Bresnahan (who invented catching gear but whose election is about his performance), Bill Doak (for the webbed glove). Pearce was not a great player when we have stats for him, and we already had Start and, more important, George Wright from the 1860s. In fact, Wright, is generally acknowledged as the nation's best ballplayer during the 1860s. So I think Pearce was a weak selection. However, my perceptions, as I noted, might be off.
   20. karlmagnus Posted: January 10, 2020 at 02:09 PM (#5914590)
George Wright was born in 1847; really too young to represent the 1860s. I took some time to warm up on Pearce, but he and Joe Start were really the champions of that decade, during which a huge amount of poorly recorded baseball was played (it needs more of the work like we have done on African-American players.) Harry Wright, George's elder brother, is another possible candidate; he was a much better cricketer than George, but much of any baseball excellence is even further back.

(The 1859 all-professional cricket tour to Canada and the United States was the first international cricket tour, before any to Australia -- the Duke of Dorset's 1789 tour to France was abortive -- the Duke, who was Ambassador to France, met his team at Dover before they embarked, having fled the Revolution. Harry Wright was the biggest name among the 1859 team's opponents, and was regarded as a big star. George Wright played in those matches, but didn't do much. There was another tour in 1872, by an all-amateur team including the young W.G. Grace, which noted sadly that U.S. cricket had regressed -- Harry and George both played against that one.)
   21. karlmagnus Posted: January 10, 2020 at 02:30 PM (#5914602)
Sorry, the last edit didn't take. George Wright was 12 in 1859; he played in one match, all of which in the U.S. were against odds -- English eleven vs. XV of New York, or XXII of Philadelphia, etc. But Harry Wright even though playing in teams given odds was regarded as the equal of the English touring players, most of whom were the best then available.
   22. DL from MN Posted: January 10, 2020 at 02:36 PM (#5914605)
I don't see much cap controversy here. Helton and Jeter each played his whole career for one team. Tiant is a Red Sox cap and Andruw for the Braves.
   23. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 10, 2020 at 03:31 PM (#5914636)
FWIW, I pushed Pearce because he was deserving of the honor, not because he was a pioneer (which I would never, ever do). After all of these years, I'm still fully behind his induction (as well as Sutton, Spalding, etc.)
   24. kcgard2 Posted: January 10, 2020 at 07:05 PM (#5914707)
I have about 50 HOMers I would rate below Jones, without trying to compare against catchers, negro leaguers, or 19th-century guys, some of whom I would certainly also rate below Jones. In short, I strongly disagree with DL on this one.

As far as the HOM floor, of course every voter has thoughts on how they value players which will differ from other voters. Rollie Fingers, Bob Caruthers, Ray Brown, Willard Brown, Nellie Fox are the only ones I would be comfortable saying are outright mistakes, though I personally think several others (maybe a dozen more) are as well. Even in that list Caruthers had/has very strident defenders.

The HOM has done a very good job of avoiding *clear* mistakes.
   25. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: January 10, 2020 at 07:20 PM (#5914709)
And many of what now appear to be clear mistakes looked just fine at the time. We were using WARP and Win Shares and defense wasn't as well understood. We didn't make errors of judgment, we made good judgment with the information we had.

Except for Fingers. But I might be in the minority on that.
   26. The Honorable Ardo Posted: January 10, 2020 at 07:52 PM (#5914715)
I tend to be generous-minded on these things; indeed, I find the Hall of Merit a refreshing counterpoint to the polemics that govern so much of online culture. It may be the biggest reason I've stayed involved with it for so long. I didn't vote for Jones, but I had him in my consideration set and I don't see his election as a mark against the Hall. Lofton, barring an earthquake, will be inducted in our 2021 election; he's far ahead of the backlog, with Hudson and Buehrle the only new candidates of note.
   27. The Honorable Ardo Posted: January 10, 2020 at 08:00 PM (#5914716)
Except for Fingers.
I voted for Rollie. Most '70s relief aces couldn't sustain the workload of (approx.) 70-appearance, 120-inning seasons for more than two or three seasons, either breaking down or losing effectiveness. Fingers did it for twelve years; excepting 1979, he was good to excellent in all of them. I also straight line credit 1981 and give him a healthy share of postseason credit.

I'm not making him out to be the equivalent of Gossage or Rivera, but I do have him just above my in-out line.
   28. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 11, 2020 at 10:28 AM (#5914759)
I voted for Rollie. Most '70s relief aces couldn't sustain the workload of (approx.) 70-appearance, 120-inning seasons for more than two or three seasons, either breaking down or losing effectiveness. Fingers did it for twelve years; excepting 1979, he was good to excellent in all of them. I also straight line credit 1981 and give him a healthy share of postseason credit.

I'm not making him out to be the equivalent of Gossage or Rivera, but I do have him just above my in-out line.


Yeah, if Ringers doesn't belong, than I'm not sure any fireman/closer belongs then.
   29. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 11, 2020 at 12:01 PM (#5914770)
Yeah, if Ringers doesn't belong, than I'm not sure any fireman/closer belongs then.


Yes Rollie Ringers and Fingo Starr. ;-)
   30. DL from MN Posted: January 11, 2020 at 01:41 PM (#5914784)
I find the Hall of Merit a refreshing counterpoint to the polemics


I have never suggested we should throw out players or that someone doesn't belong. We do a pretty good job selecting players. Hell, I think nearly everyone on the list is in the Hall of Fame. Someone has to be the worst though.
   31. cookiedabookie Posted: January 11, 2020 at 03:18 PM (#5914799)
My system doesn't like Fingers all that much. I only have two relievers in my PHoM - Mariano and Wilhelm. The next-best is Goose Gossage, but he's nowhere near induction for me - and he's head and shoulders above anyone else. Fingers clocks in at 9th among relievers, between Joe Nathan and Lindy McDaniel, and that doesn't include Eckersley. He'd be 8th if I removed Tom Gordon for accruing too much value as a starter.
   32. DL from MN Posted: January 15, 2020 at 12:25 PM (#5915999)
One of my #1 wants for the Hall of Merit is an improved plaque room - preferably at a location that can host the plaques with pictures, etc. It would be great if that location could also host all of our discussions and data over the years. Like a real website.
   33. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: January 15, 2020 at 12:37 PM (#5916008)
You can see a really dinky version of what DL's talking about the the Hall of Miller and Eric plaque room. It's super simpy with templated plaques and a really basic year-by-year layout.
   34. The Honorable Ardo Posted: January 29, 2020 at 06:26 PM (#5920345)
37 players received exactly one vote. I thought it would be fun to try and create a 25-man roster out of the bunch.

Batting order:
Lou Brock - LF
Frank Chance - 1B
Nomar Garciaparra - SS
Darryl Strawberry - RF
Kirby Puckett - CF
Al Rosen - 3B
Elston Howard - C
Johnny Evers - 2B
Pitcher's spot

Bench:
Jim Sundberg - C
Dave Bancroft - SS
Ned Williamson - 3B
Bob Elliott - corner IF
Bernie Williams, Harry Hooper, Hurley McNair - reserve OF

Rotation:
Dwight Gooden
Dolf Luque
Mickey Lolich
Jim McCormick
Orel Hershisher

Bullpen:
Frank Tanana
Ron Guidry
Lee Smith
Billy Wagner

Utility pitcher/fun clubhouse guy:
Tony Mullane

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