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Monday, October 27, 2003

Ballot explanation issues

This is an attempt to move the discussion started with RMc, Rob C and John Murphy to it’s own area.

I have to agree with John and Rob, we’ve got to enforce the policies we’ve agreed to. I realize that RMc thoughtfully thinks through his ballot and he isn’t just throwing darts or anything. But, explaining the ballots is part of the process, in fact it’s been one of the foundations of this whole project from the outset.

I don’t have any problem with including his (or others like it) for this week, as he has established credibility, it’s really late in the process, etc..

However, if we don’t nip this in the bud now, there will be more people only submitting lists of names in the future, and we’re just asking for trouble. Remember the first Historical Abstract, where Bill James wrote about rules that are selectively enforced (like speed limits) and how that is just asking for trouble? That’s what I’m thinking of.

For example, I realize you might not have anything to add on the Start debate, but explaining what arguments convinced you to vote him 3rd (as opposed to 12th, 5th or 1st) is important. Please include more explanation next week. JeffM, Ed, Mark McKinniss, Dan B, Ken Fischer and MichaelD . . . this would apply to you guys also. It’s possible I missed one, but I think all of the other ballots have at least a minimal explanation for each player.

As for the policy regarding explaining players that are left off a ballot, if they were in the top 10 in the voting the year before . . . I think we need to enforce that also. We are asking everyone to explain who they are voting for - it’s not unreasonable to ask people why they are leaving off players most of the others are voting for.

Some people feel strongly about this issue, and they really are on the right side of the coin; so I will do a better job of enforcing both of these policies in the future.

JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head Posted: October 27, 2003 at 08:48 PM | 3 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jeff M Posted: October 27, 2003 at 09:14 PM (#518727)
I left off explanations for economy's sake, because Start has held pretty steady on my ballot for several years. I was trying not to repeat the same old comments that I've made in the past. Now that you mention it, that only works for everyone who was around then. It doesn't help anyone who didn't read my prior explanations.

I'll return to explaining each candidate on future ballots.
   2. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 27, 2003 at 09:43 PM (#518728)
I don't have any problem with including his (or others like it) for this week, as he has established credibility, it's really late in the process, etc..

I agree. RMc is a longtime voter who certainly has a creditable ballot. My thoughts from the other thread were directed more towards the future.
   3. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 28, 2003 at 12:14 AM (#518730)
Should I just cut-and-paste other's comments so that my reasoning fits in the "mainstream"?

No, of course not. If you feel Charlie Comiskey is a HoMer and you can make a coherent argument for him, great. We just want the opportunity to debate you on it and to see if there are any holes in your logic. You still can ignore us and vote for the Old Roman anyway.

Funny, it seems to me like you're doing exactly that; selectively enforcing this "rule" (which, as you have admitted, doesn't even appear in your charter).

It wasn't in the charter, but it was put up for a vote a while back without any nays.

I know others have mentioned your lack of input before from other elections.

Again, this shouldn't be a big deal. Just regurgitate the same info via cut-and-paste. It doesn't have to be a term paper. :-)

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