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Hall of Merit— A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 28, 2007 at 12:18 PM (#2381147)The way he looked during the mid-Eighties and sporting his knuckleball, I thougt he had a chance at making at least 250 wins by age 50. But that wasn't to be.
In 1986, Texas posted nineteen games of eight or more walks. And the next season, the Rangers had twenty-nine such games. That latter figure is the most since at least 1957.
I agree he hasn't done it yet; if he retires next year he's nowhere close. But if he has a Niekro late career he'll have a darn good argument.
Wakefield will need a whole lot more than 215 for him to be a serious candidate. He will need at least 290 wins for him to be a candidate.
As I think about it, which Red Sox manager would one not elected to the hall of stupid managers?
In '93, he had an ERA+ of 72. In '00, he had an ERA+ of 91. Every other season, he's been above average.
Wakefield will need a whole lot more than 215 for him to be a serious candidate. He will need at least 290 wins for him to be a candidate.
At the rate he's going, he'll get win #290 at about age 52. Even the way knucklers age, I don't like his chances.
I may not be as baseball-savvy as you and Jimy but I do know that 1999-2002 is four baseball seasons, not three.
Unless you're all about to elect Jack Morris, IP and ERA+ have been more important than wins; Wake should do quite well on those IF he gets another 5 yeasrs in. He won't need 290 (and anyway you have to add 30-40 for Jimy stupidity -- 215+35=250, which might well do it if his ERA+ is 112, both optimistic projections, I agree.)
Sox had Dick Williams in '67 and Ed Barrow in '18. And I don't think the current incumbent is bad. Other than that, I agree, yuck!
Joe McCarthy 1948 - 1950
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