His last name is pronounced HUFF, not HOW.

The way he looked during the mid-Eighties and sporting his knuckleball, I thougt he had a chance at making at least 250 wins by age 50. But that wasn't to be.

Interesting fact: Hough qualified for the ERA title 12 times in his career, all of them after he turned 34.

Ace of the '86 and '87 Rangers, two of the wildest (as in, walks allowed) teams in recent memory.
In 1986, Texas posted nineteen games of eight or more walks. And the next season, the Rangers had twenty-nine such games. That latter figure is the most since at least 1957.

Looks like Tanan minus. Wakefield's better; if he carries on well for another 5 years THERE's my Beckley for the 21st Century.

That's Tanana minus. Sorry.

Karl are you saying you'd support Wakefield for HOM? If so I want Beckley retroactively removed.

Tim Wakefield will not be inducted into either the HOF or HoM. You can bank on it.

My Charlie Hough moment is watching Dan Gladden pull an abdominal muscle trying to hit a Hough knuckler.

Grandma, you won't be able to bank on it if he retires with say 215 wins, as is possible, about 3800IP and a 110 ERA+. You also need to add a "stupid manager credit" for him being bullpened by Jimy Williams for 3 prime years in '99-02 and that would get him to 250-ish.

I agree he hasn't done it yet; if he retires next year he's nowhere close. But if he has a Niekro late career he'll have a darn good argument.

I thought it was pronounced "Charlie Who."

Grandma, you won't be able to bank on it if he retires with say 215 wins, as is possible, about 3800IP and a 110 ERA+. You also need to add a "stupid manager credit" for him being bullpened by Jimy Williams for 3 prime years in '99-02 and that would get him to 250-ish.

I agree he hasn't done it yet; if he retires next year he's nowhere close. But if he has a Niekro late career he'll have a darn good argument.

Wakefield will need a whole lot more than 215 for him to be a serious candidate. He will need at least 290 wins for him to be a candidate.

I'll vote to elected Jimy Williams to the hall of stupid managers. But Wakefield to the HoM. No way.

As I think about it, which Red Sox manager would one not elected to the hall of stupid managers?

Since this slowly evolving into a Wakefield thread, I'll just say I noticed this here:

In '93, he had an ERA+ of 72. In '00, he had an ERA+ of 91. Every other season, he's been above average.

Wakefield will need a whole lot more than 215 for him to be a serious candidate. He will need at least 290 wins for him to be a candidate.

At the rate he's going, he'll get win #290 at about age 52. Even the way knucklers age, I don't like his chances.

bullpened by Jimy Williams for 3 prime years in '99-02

I may not be as baseball-savvy as you and Jimy but I do know that 1999-2002 is four baseball seasons, not three.

Wakefield was rescued from the bullpen in about June '02 (no Jimy, by then -- Grady no Einstein but better) and had spot starts in '00, from memory. The bullpen exile is about 3 years all told.

Unless you're all about to elect Jack Morris, IP and ERA+ have been more important than wins; Wake should do quite well on those IF he gets another 5 yeasrs in. He won't need 290 (and anyway you have to add 30-40 for Jimy stupidity -- 215+35=250, which might well do it if his ERA+ is 112, both optimistic projections, I agree.)

Sox had Dick Williams in '67 and Ed Barrow in '18. And I don't think the current incumbent is bad. Other than that, I agree, yuck!

Sox had Dick Williams in '67 and Ed Barrow in '18. And I don't think the current incumbent is bad. Other than that, I agree, yuck!

Joe McCarthy 1948 - 1950

McCarthy may have been a HOF manager with the Yankees, but he was not fondly remembered in Boston due to the failures in 1948 (Denny Galehouse?) and 1949 (the lost weekend) with what was arguably the better team.

In the early days there were the champion player-managers Jimmy Collins, Jake Stahl, Bill Carrigan. Not to say they were great managers, the point should probably be Red Sox managers since Ed Barrow.