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2. Chris Cobb
Posted: January 04, 2005 at 03:00 PM (#1055605)
Clint Thomas Data
Seasonal Data from Holway
1920 no data, rookie with Brooklyn Royal Giants; 2b
1921 .264 for Columbus Buckeyes; 2b
1922 .339 for Detroit Stars; cf
1923 .254 for Hilldale; cf; 7 sb 2nd in league
8-24 vs. major-league competition
1924 .295 for Hilldale; rf; 7 hr 2nd in league; 13 hr/550 ab 3rd, 5 3b 2nd
8-38 in World Series vs. Monarchs
39-105 in Cuban Play
1925 .314 for Hilldale; cf; 20 2b 4th in league, 16 sb 3rd; all-star
6-22 in World Series vs. Monarchs
1926 .271 for Hilldale; cf; 12 hr 1st in league, 17 hr/550 5th, 17 2b 1st, 7 3b 1st, 12 sb 2nd; not all-star but should have been
39-118 in Cuban Play
1927 .269 for Hilldale; cf
1928 .250 for Hilldale; ut; 5 3b 1st in league
.275 for AC Bacharach Giants; cf
40-138 in Cuban Play
1929 .342 for AC Bacharach Giants
1930 .437 for NY Lincoln Giants; lf; ba 2nd in league, 14 2b 2nd; all-star
9-37 in World Series vs. Homestead
1931 .132 for NY Harlem Stars/Bombers; cf
1932 .317 for NY Black Yankees; cf
1933 .318 for NY Black Yankees; cf; all-star
1934 .221 for NY Black Yankees; cf
1935 no data, played for NY Black Yankees
1936 .333 for NY Cubans; cf; 6 2b 2nd in league
1937 .278 for NY Black Yankees; cf
1938 no data, played for NY Black Yankees
career, calculated from seasonal data
.290 mean avg. for 16 seasons with data
8-24 vs. major league competition
118-361, .327 in Cuban play
23-97, .237 in post-season play
3-time all-star (should have been 4)
Black Ink 10
Gray Ink 36
Comments. Definitely better than Chaney White, he had more power and speed on the bases, and was probably the better defensive outfielder (in the two seasons they played together, Thomas played center, while White shifted to the corner). His black and gray ink scores are comparable to those of Dobie Moore (who achieved his, of course, in sig. fewere seasons) and Dick Lundy (who achieved his while playing a great defensive shortstop). If he had hit like he did and been a great defensive infielder, he might have a HoM case. Hitting like he did and playing a possibly great defensive center field, he's a candidate for the Hall of Very Good as Cool Papa Bell lite.
3. KJOK
Posted: January 05, 2005 at 01:09 AM (#1057219)
Not sure if GaryA is around, so I'll post 1928 stats for Thomas:
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 04, 2005 at 04:04 AM (#1055039)Seasonal Data from Holway
1920 no data, rookie with Brooklyn Royal Giants; 2b
1921 .264 for Columbus Buckeyes; 2b
1922 .339 for Detroit Stars; cf
1923 .254 for Hilldale; cf; 7 sb 2nd in league
8-24 vs. major-league competition
1924 .295 for Hilldale; rf; 7 hr 2nd in league; 13 hr/550 ab 3rd, 5 3b 2nd
8-38 in World Series vs. Monarchs
39-105 in Cuban Play
1925 .314 for Hilldale; cf; 20 2b 4th in league, 16 sb 3rd; all-star
6-22 in World Series vs. Monarchs
1926 .271 for Hilldale; cf; 12 hr 1st in league, 17 hr/550 5th, 17 2b 1st, 7 3b 1st, 12 sb 2nd; not all-star but should have been
39-118 in Cuban Play
1927 .269 for Hilldale; cf
1928 .250 for Hilldale; ut; 5 3b 1st in league
.275 for AC Bacharach Giants; cf
40-138 in Cuban Play
1929 .342 for AC Bacharach Giants
1930 .437 for NY Lincoln Giants; lf; ba 2nd in league, 14 2b 2nd; all-star
9-37 in World Series vs. Homestead
1931 .132 for NY Harlem Stars/Bombers; cf
1932 .317 for NY Black Yankees; cf
1933 .318 for NY Black Yankees; cf; all-star
1934 .221 for NY Black Yankees; cf
1935 no data, played for NY Black Yankees
1936 .333 for NY Cubans; cf; 6 2b 2nd in league
1937 .278 for NY Black Yankees; cf
1938 no data, played for NY Black Yankees
career, calculated from seasonal data
.290 mean avg. for 16 seasons with data
8-24 vs. major league competition
118-361, .327 in Cuban play
23-97, .237 in post-season play
3-time all-star (should have been 4)
Black Ink 10
Gray Ink 36
Comments. Definitely better than Chaney White, he had more power and speed on the bases, and was probably the better defensive outfielder (in the two seasons they played together, Thomas played center, while White shifted to the corner). His black and gray ink scores are comparable to those of Dobie Moore (who achieved his, of course, in sig. fewere seasons) and Dick Lundy (who achieved his while playing a great defensive shortstop). If he had hit like he did and been a great defensive infielder, he might have a HoM case. Hitting like he did and playing a possibly great defensive center field, he's a candidate for the Hall of Very Good as Cool Papa Bell lite.
BATTING
G-57
AB-220
H-68
2B-10
3B-5
HR-2
R-40
BB-8
HBP-1
Sac-5
SB-8
AVE-.309
OBP-.336
SLG-.427
FIELDING
LF
G-28
INN-243 2/3
PO-63
A-4
E-1
DP-0
(NOTE: Looks like led league in Range Factor in LF and committed only 1 error.)
RF
G-18
INN-159 2/3
PO-28
A-3
E-0
DP-0
(Also played 2 G CF, 1 G Catcher, 1 G 2B)
Clint Thomas' Real Stats
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