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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 28, 2007 at 12:57 PM (#2319419)So far, it looks like he'll be far from my ballot. I can see a peak voter supporting him (specially if your definition of peak is 5 years or less), but I will be surprised by any support beyond that.
The good news is that Parker's a rather extreme example, so I hope he's the exception that proves the rule for my system. There aren't that many guys who have five stud years in a row then are at or below a corner position's average for almost a dozen years thereafter....
-- MWE
Parker was probably better in the '70's, but not by as much as some might claim. Rice was clearly better in the '80s than Parker, by a substantial margin. Rice wasn't really a deserving all-star through the decade, but he was still a very useful player. Parker, with one or two exceptions, was not. I don't think either of them are deserving, but I think Rice was pretty clearly better over the course of their careers
I totally agree with you. If you just sliced off their 1980s careers and looked at them, you'd think you were looking at two players of wildly disperate talent. Rice had five 120+ OPS+ years, and Parker just the one sore thumb 148 in 1985.
Too bad you can't freeze time.
Tim McCarver, as a Mets announcer in the 80's, was actually both funny and insightful. One of my favorite lines I remember is after Parker ran at full speed (for him) after a flyball, the call was, "Parker... on his mule!"
I have a great picture of him, Kal Daniels, & Eric Davis---one of my favorite outfields of all time.
He almost started off that way, skill-wise, but it became apparent he had neither the temperment nor the fortitude to follow in Roberto's footsteps.
As I recall, Pirate fans didn't cry much when he was turned loose after 2 sub-par years in 1983. It had only been 4 years since "We are Family"; little did we know that it would be another 6 or 7 years before we won a divison cahmpionship with a completely rebuilt team.
I also remember how absolutely horrible that 1985 team with Hendrick, Madlock and Thompson were to watch. They had completely lost any sense of caring by mid-summer. Truly pathetic!
Ah, the memories. Those late 80's Reds teams were a lot of fun. The most fun that 2nd place baseball could ever be. I still remember the night that Ray Knight punched ED, and am still mad about it.
I've pointed out before how the counterbalanced trades of Hendrick for Tudor, Lapointe (+ Uribe) for Jack Clark were keys to the success of the '85-'87 Cardinals. Stare at that pair of trades long enough an it would seem that the Pirates and Giants could potentially have cut out the middleman and traded Tudor for Clark.
Age Games AB R HITS DBL TRP HR RBI BB AVG OBP SLG
1973 22 54 139 17 40 9 1 4 14 2 .288 .298 .453
1974 23 73 220 27 62 10 3 4 29 10 .282 .313 .409
1975 24 148 558 75 172 35 10 25 101 38 .308 .352 .541
1976 25 138 537 82 168 28 10 13 90 30 .313 .349 .475
1977 26 159 637 107 215 44 8 21 88 58 .338 .393 .531
1978 27 148 581 102 194 32 12 30 117 57 .334 .393 .585
1979 28 158 622 109 193 45 7 25 94 67 .310 .377 .526
1980 29 157 608 112 192 38 8 31 111 63 .315 .379 .560
1981 30 156 614 108 195 42 7 26 104 64 .318 .383 .536
1982 31 156 595 98 184 38 6 25 98 62 .309 .374 .521
1983 32 155 592 89 178 37 6 22 91 62 .301 .366 .493
1984 33 154 577 84 172 35 5 20 85 64 .297 .368 .481
1985 34 160 635 88 198 42 4 34 125 52 .312 .364 .551
1986 35 162 637 89 174 31 3 31 116 56 .273 .332 .477
1987 36 153 589 77 149 28 0 26 97 44 .253 .305 .433
1988 37 101 377 43 97 18 1 12 55 32 .257 .315 .406
1989 38 144 553 56 146 27 0 22 97 38 .264 .311 .432
1990 39 157 610 71 176 30 3 21 92 41 .289 .333 .451
1991 40 132 502 47 120 26 2 11 59 33 .239 .286 .365
TOT 2666 10184 1481 3025 594 97 404 1663 872 .297 .352 .493
My question- would that hypothetical drug free player be HOM worthy?
By my calculations, that Brock2 fills in the five year gap with OPS+'s of 157,156,146,134,133
1973-79 Actual 3500 PA, 142 OPS+
1980-84 From above 3300 PA, 145 OPS+
1985-91 Actual 4200 PA, 111 OPS+
Total with extrapolation 11000 PA, est OPS+ of 131.
Probably a HOM-er. That's in the neigborhood of Billy Williams level. From the rates above, that's a generous projection. Knocking it down a bit and he's likely still HOM level though (Goslin, Minoso).
Too bad about the mid-career slump.
The Knight/Davis brawl
I will have Rice and Parker back to back on my ballot -- Rice ahead.
Too bad you can't freeze time.
That was an interesting cover pic, makes Rice look like an infielder next to Big Dave. Bo Jackson was a powerful build for a baseball player, but if I could find that photo I had of him standing by the cage with John Mayberry, you might think he was a middle infielder.
The version I came up with here is very, very close to that: 2623 games, 2989 hits, 410 HRs, 130 OPS+.
Of course, he never would have attempted to get those 11 other hits. ;-)
I am a little surprised that I got this joke. I am far more surprised that someone bothered to make it.
Killjoy. ;-)
He did have one of the most powerful arms (though erratic at times) I have ever seen. Still, I saw Clemente make a laser throw at the age of 38 that was better than anything I ever saw from Parker ...even the 1979 all star game throws. Clemente had a much, much faster catch-and-release time and his throws cut through the air much quicker than Parker's throws. The two men briefly met at training camp in 1971-72 ...it would have been something to have had Clemente mentor the young Dave Parker beyond 1972. Perhaps then Parker would not have wasted his mid-years and he would be a valid HOF'r.
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