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Monday, October 25, 2004

Eddie Rommel

A very good pitcher who I personally don’t feel is HoM worthy, but you can prove me wrong if you want to. :-)

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 25, 2004 at 02:44 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dag Nabbit at Posted: October 25, 2004 at 05:07 AM (#936217)
Eddie Rommel.

Wow his run support sucked. Not enough career, IMHO.
   2. PhillyBooster Posted: October 25, 2004 at 03:28 PM (#936528)
Sorry, John. I got my hands full defending the length of Lip Pike, Roger Bresnahan, and Gavvy Cravath's careers.

Don't have time for a starter with fewer innings than Caruthers and no bat.

While I like to Boost all Philly players, AL and NL, Rommel is not Coveleski, he's not even close, and I've got Coveleski at #16 (#14 for next year).
   3. Howie Menckel Posted: October 25, 2004 at 03:38 PM (#936541)
Meanwhile, in 1917-22, Sisler's OPS rankings for the entire American League were:
Without even looking, I suspect a large portion of those who finished ahead of him are HOMers.

He's damn overrated post-1923, but this guy was a stud in the first half of his career. Sometimes I almost think voters penalize Sisler for having the mediocre second part, like it's so 'romantic' to only have 7-8 years of significant play.
Sisler's in the middle of my ballot.
   4. Howie Menckel Posted: October 25, 2004 at 03:38 PM (#936543)
I should have moved this stuff to Sisler vs. Konetchy, and will do so now. Let's move it over there..
   5. OCF Posted: October 25, 2004 at 03:39 PM (#936546)
I have Rommel's RA+-equivalent record as 167-117, very close to his actual record. Turn that into FWP (147) and it puts him in the same neighborhood as Phillippe, Doc White, Pennock, Mays, Grimes, Chesbro, Vaughn. Compared to the rest of that group, Rommel had by far the least value from big seasons. (Chesbro the most, of course.) Good pitchers, all of them, but none of them look like HoMers to me.
   6. Mark Shirk (jsch) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 05:59 AM (#2109241)
I don't have him in my top 60 or anything but after looking at him he still has an NRA and DERA below 4.00 when adjusted for all-time, i.e. after he is run thourgh the WARP timeline. Not much career sure, but even his peak isnt 'too bad for a pitcher with two seasons over 9.0 WARP1. Does anyone have him in their top 50? top 60?

I think that he, Willis, and Shocker are guys who have fallen through a cracks a bit and may not be run over by some of the newer voters who use vote totals to decide which guys to look at. Kinda like how it took me a while to look at Bond, Mullane, and McCormick after I started in 1935.

Rommel is one of those guys that I always liked but could never put high enough to make him a serious candidate.
   7. rawagman Posted: July 24, 2006 at 09:46 AM (#2109323)
He's around 25 among my pitchers - it's the DERA that really sticks out for him
   8. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 24, 2006 at 12:13 PM (#2109341)
Rommel just wasn't durable enough or had a long enough career to make a real dent on our ballots.
   9. JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head Posted: July 25, 2006 at 09:41 AM (#2111247)
Shocker is the guy jschmeagol - I hope to have my new list up this week . . . still finishing it up, but Shocker to me is the one we really missed.

Rommel was good, as John and rawagman say, but there just isn't enough there. All of the little things really start adding up for Shocker. IMO, Shocker is 2nd only to Jack Quinn among the guys we've let slip through the cracks.
   10. Mark Shirk (jsch) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 09:48 AM (#2111248)
I do agree there, Shocker is in my top 30 and has been since I started. He has never made my ballot, however.
   11. Paul Wendt Posted: July 28, 2006 at 03:10 AM (#2115149)
Rommel pitched too much in relief. It's interesting that he stands out on some old lists of early relief pitchers, with both one of the worst teams and one of the best teams of his time.
   12. Paul Wendt Posted: July 28, 2006 at 03:12 AM (#2115153)
same manager, same pitcher, same clothes. But the rest of the team turned over.
   13. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: July 28, 2006 at 01:02 PM (#2115371)
speaking of shocker, just read this morning in tne Neyer/James Guide that Shocker, though grandfathered, didn't throw his spitter all that often. It probably wasn't his #1 or even #2 pitch.

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