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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Monday, September 22, 2008Election Results: Cobb, Mays, Spoke, Mantle, Charleston, Joe D, Stearnes and Hamilton Are Tops!
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Posted: September 22, 2008 at 11:40 PM | 14 comment(s)
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 23, 2008 at 02:01 AM (#2950692)I realize I am biased, but I think Dawson being ranked that low is a travesty. Edd Roush? Seriously? 1500 (seasonal length adjusted) games of Pete Browning?
There's more to playing than drawing walks. He had 2774 career hits (with some time lost to strikes) and it wasn't Lou Brock style. There were 448 HR mixed in there, an MVP caliber season, 309 SB at a 74% rate (in a lower scoring era where SB were more important than most), Gold Glove defense.
His career OBP was .009 below park adjusted league average, sure, but his rate stats were hurt by his last few years (OPS+ dropped from 123-119), which I give as zero value (1993-96). His career SLG was 87 points over park adjusted league average.
I'm just baffled that he finished dead last. I think he must just miss the boundaries of some systems or something.
Where did the career guys go? Do we only have peak voters left?
Rant over. :-)
If someone can send the itemized totals by ballot position (preferably in spreadsheet format), I'll format them, thanks!
OK, rant now over. Maybe. :-)
.. Name . . Pts Avg. Std.Dev
1. Cobb . . 587 1.48 0.50
2. Mays . . 582 1.70 0.75
3. Speaker 543 3.39 0.71
4. Mantle . 530 3.96 0.96
5. Charlstn 518 4.48 0.71
6. DiMaggio 481 6.09 0.28
7. Stearnes 454 7.26 0.74
8. Hamilton 426 8.48 1.02
9. Torrnte 393 9.91 1.47
10. ORourke 369 10.96 2.51
11. Snider . 361 11.30 2.14
12. Hines . 355 11.57 2.12
13. Doby . . 290 14.39 3.25
14. Gore . . 271 15.22 2.72
15. Hill . . 260 15.70 3.18
16. Ashburn 235 16.78 4.01
17. Carey . 216 17.61 4.82
18. Wynn . . 172 19.52 3.03
19. Averill 150 20.48 3.60
20. Oms . . 149 20.52 2.68
21. Bell . . 136 21.09 3.65
22. Roush . 131 21.30 3.38
23. Pike . . 129 21.39 3.51
24. Brown . 114 22.04 2.61
25. Browning 112 22.13 3.51
26. Dawson . 109 22.26 2.56
For the top two: Cobb had 12 first place votes and 11 second place votes. Mays had 10 first place votes, 11 second place votes, a third and a fourth. The one first place vote that leaves unaccounted went to Mantle (that was sunnyday2 who had Mays fourth); the unaccounted 2nd place vote also went to Mantle.
In my mind, that's too close a vote and we're too small a group to say that we've definitively chosen Cobb over Mays - let's just say that it's close. (And I say that as someone who did vote Cobb first, Mays second.)
Who got the most 26th place votes? Browning 6, Brown 5, Dawson 4, Roush 2, Bell 2, Pike 1, Oms 1, Averill 1, Hill 1. Dawson finsished last in the voting not so much be being placed last so often but because a few voters placed either Brown or Browning quite a bit higher. (My own vote had Dawson 23rd, Brown 24th, and Browning 25th. I couldn't see Dawson ahead of Carey, to name one marker.)
Consensus scores ranged from 82 to 91 with a mean of 88. That's so closely packed together that I'm not even going to bother breaking out the individual voters beyond saying that the 82 was Sean Gilman and sunnyday2 was at 83.
Sure, great fielder and baserunner, but mediocre hitter.
It amazes me also, Howie.
BTW Joe, if you don't mind, could you do your magic with the results at the top of the page? I would greatly appreciate it.
When you do that, push Cobb's numbers one notch to the right (12 first place votes) and pull Charleston (14 5th place votes) and Torriente (5 8th place votes) one notch back to the left. I think those are the only misalignments, but check to make sure the table makes sense.
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