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Hall of Merit— A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best
Tuesday, January 11, 2005
Frankie Frisch
Great player. Lousy voter.
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 11, 2005 at 01:55 AM (#1071127)37 Morgan Bulkeley
37 Ban Johnson
37 Connie Mack
37 John McGraw
37 George Wright
38 Alexander Cartwright
38 Henry Chadwick
39 Cap Anson
39 Charlie Comiskey
39 Candy Cummings
39 Buck Ewing
39 Charley Radbourn
39 Al Spalding
OWP:
Frisch - .560
Sewell - .549
Runs Created Above Position:
Sewell - 346
Frisch - 291
Plate Appearances:
Frisch - 10100
Sewell - 8330
Defense
Frisch - 2B, EXCELLENT
Sewell - SS, VERY GOOD
Maybe just a slight edge to Frisch, but Sewell can't be far behind.
With Dobie Moore, Dick Lundy, and part of John Beckwith's career added, Sewell's RCAP takes a tumble - and Frisch is better in OWP, PA, and defense. I still believe that Sewell belongs in the HoM, but Frisch is a full step ahead of Sewell.
Still, RCAA isn't going to tell the full story because Sewell did play a more defensive position.
Frisch has nice peak with some 30+ WS seasons, a lengthy career, and was an A+ fielder but he's quite a bit below some other 2B we've had recently. He's not near Collins, Hornsby or even Gehringer. A Lazzeri/Herman comparison might be fruitful, here.
Yes, but how many times have we read that Gehrig, Foxx and Greenberg aren't the standard for the Hall of Merit. The same can be said for Collins and Hornsby. At first glance Frisch will be high on my ballot. (Haven't looked at any of the Negro Leaguers newly eligible this year yet)
True... he'll make my top five easily.
On a side note... is Frisch the only non-Yankee to play in 8 World Series?
There are a bunch of 1950s era Dodgers with 7 (Carl Furillo, Pee Wee Reese, Gil Hodges), but it looks like even though Brooklyn/LA won 10 pennants in 20 years (1947-1966), no one player was on more than seven of these teams.
King Kelly and Jim O'Rourke each played on 8 pennant winners. If there had been a World Series every year, they might have equaled it.
Kelly (1880,81,82,85,86,90P,91,92)
O'Rourke (1873,74,75,77,78,79,88,89)
The VC was Landis, the league presidents, and some other front office people (this was mentioned on another thread). I don't think it was that they were "tasked" so much as that that was who they were comfortable selecting.
1937 VC Meeting:
"Well, we have to elect Ban Johnson."
"Agreed. Who was the first NL President?"
"Some guy named Bulkeley. Never heard of him."
"Oh he was a US Senator back in the Oughts."
"President of Aetna Insurance, too."
"Good. Very good."
"Managers?"
"Mack and McGraw."
"Agreed."
"I heard that an old ballplayer, George Wright, just died recently. He was 90."
"Never heard of him either."
"Connie said he was very good back in the day."
"Good enough for me. Are we agreed?"
Wright was on the Mills Commission, so he signed on to Abner Doubleday and William Cooper's Town in 1908.
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