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Wednesday, January 25, 2023

Reranking Left Fielders Ballot

Election will end 1st Feb 2023

Please rank the following left fielders

Lance Berkman
Barry Bonds
Jesse Burkett
Fred Clarke
Ed Delahanty
Goose Goslin
Rickey Henderson
Charley Jones
Charlie Keller
Joe Kelley
Ralph Kiner
Monte Irvin
Sherry Magee
Joe Medwick
Minnie Minoso
Stan Musial
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Jimmy Sheckard
Al Simmons
Willie Stargell
Harry Stovey
Zack Wheat
Billy Williams
Ted Williams
Carl Yastrzemski

DL from MN Posted: January 25, 2023 at 02:18 PM | 20 comment(s) | Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: January 25, 2023 at 02:25 PM (#6114437)
1) Ted Williams - I'm pretty sure he won't be unanimous this time. War credit gives him this top spot.
2) Barry Bonds - clear #2, almost #1
3) Stan Musial
4) Rickey Henderson
5) Ed Delahanty
6) Carl Yastrzemski
7) Tim Raines
8) Fred Clarke
9) Jesse Burkett
10) Manny Ramirez
11) Billy Williams
12) Al Simmons
13) Monte Irvin
14) Willie Stargell
15) Charlie Keller
16) Zack Wheat
17) Joe Kelley
18) Minnie Minoso
-- Bob Johnson
19) Sherry Magee
20) Jimmy Sheckard
21) Harry Stovey
22) Charley Jones
23) Goose Goslin
24) Joe Medwick - not PHoM from here down
25) Lance Berkman
26) Ralph Kiner
   2. kcgard2 Posted: January 26, 2023 at 05:48 PM (#6114677)
1. Barry Bonds
2. Ted Williams
3. Stan Musial
4. Rickey Henderson
5. Carl Yastrzemski
6. Ed Delahanty
7. Al Simmons
8. Manny Ramirez
9. Tim Raines
10. Fred Clarke
11. Goose Goslin
12. Jesse Burkett
13. Billy Williams
14. Sherry Magee
15. Willie Stargell
16. Lance Berkman
17. Minnie Minoso
-- Bob Johnson
18. Monte Irvin
19. Joe Medwick
20. Ralph Kiner
21. Zack Wheat
22. Joe Kelley
23. Charlie Keller
24. Harry Stovey
25. Jimmy Sheckard
26. Charley Jones
   3. Bleed the Freak Posted: January 27, 2023 at 08:41 PM (#6114831)
1) Barry Bonds
2) Ted Williams
3) Stan Musial
4) Rickey Henderson
5) Carl Yastrzemski
6) Manny Ramirez
7) Ed Delahanty
8) Fred Clarke
9) Al Simmons
10) Tim Raines
11) Charlie Keller
12) Goose Goslin
13) Billy Williams
14) Monte Irvin - interested to hear the latest from Doc C
15) Lance Berkman
16) Willie Stargell
17) Jesse Burkett
18) Minnie Minoso
19) Jimmy Sheckard
20) Sherry Magee
Bobby Veach
Brian Giles - if in LF, I've seen both. Rates higher in an LF list with RF being deeper.
Bob Johnson

Borderline:
21) Zack Wheat
George Foster

Below HOM line:
22) Ralph Kiner
23) Joe Kelley
24) Charley Jones
25) Joe Medwick
26) Harry Stovey
   4. Rob_Wood Posted: January 27, 2023 at 11:50 PM (#6114844)
1. Ted Williams
2. Barry Bonds
3. Stan Musial
4. Rickey Henderson
5. Ed Delahanty
6. Carl Yastrzemski
7. Al Simmons
8. Fred Clarke
9. Jesse Burkett
10. Manny Ramirez
11. Goose Goslin
12. Tim Raines
13. Monte Irvin
14. Charlie Keller
15. Minnie Minoso
16. Sherry Magee
17. Billy Williams
18. Joe Medwick
19. Willie Stargell
20. Joe Kelley
21. Lance Berkman
22. Harry Stovey
23. Ralph Kiner
24. Zack Wheat
25. Charley Jones
26. Jimmy Sheckard
   5. cookiedabookie Posted: January 28, 2023 at 03:41 PM (#6114894)
1. Barry Bonds
2. Ted Williams
3. Stan Musial
4. Rickey Henderson
5. Carl Yastrzemski
6. Manny Ramirez
7. Ed Delahanty
8. Fred Clarke
9. Al Simmons
10. Tim Raines
11. Charlie Keller
12. Minnie Minoso
13. Monte Irvin
14. Willie Stargell
15. Lance Berkman
16. Sherry Magee
17. Billy Williams
18. Goose Goslin
19. Jesse Burkett
20. Zack Wheat
21. Harry Stovey
22. Jimmy Sheckard
23. Joe Medwick
24. Ralph Kiner
25. Joe Kelley
26. Charley Jones
   6. Jaack Posted: January 28, 2023 at 03:55 PM (#6114900)
1. Barry Bonds
2. Ted Williams
3. Stan Musial
4. Rickey Henderson
5. Carl Yastrzemski
6. Ed Delahanty
7. Al Simmons
8. Fred Clarke
9. Jesse Burkett
10. Billy Williams
11. Manny Ramirez
12. Charlie Keller
13. Willie Stargell
14. Lance Berkman
15. Goose Goslin
16. Tim Raines
17. Jimmy Sheckard
18. Monte Irvin
19. Sherry Magee
20. Minnie Minoso
21. Harry Stovey
22. Joe Kelley
23. Zack Wheat
24. Joe Medwick
25. Ralph Kiner
26. Charley Jones


No changes from prelim, still not confident where Irvin belongs.
   7. Howie Menckel Posted: January 28, 2023 at 08:53 PM (#6114926)
NEW all-time Left Fielder HOM ballot, after reading the LF Discussion Thread. not a lot has changed with my first go-round of this years ago.
comments for top 4 for and 3 other newcomers

1. TED WILLIAMS - Led, or would have led with enough G, AL in OBP every year he played from 1940-58 (same for 1960). 6th as a rookie in 1939, would have been 9th in 1959. 145 RBI and a 161 OPS+ as a rookie, which is good but then Teddy Ballgame beat that OPS+ figure, in various numbers of games, every year he wasn't off at war (except 1959).
2. BARRY BONDS - Also perfect, basically, by the numbers. Led NL in OBP 10 times, won 7 MVPs. A record 762 HR. Agree with concept that Ted needs war credit to claim first place - but there's just no hint that he wouldn't have put up his usual absurd numbers in those years as well.
3. STAN MUSIAL - 3 MVPs, 4 runnerups, 14 times in the top ten. 7 batting titles, 2 2nds, 5 3rds, 2 4ths, a 5th - that's 17 times in the top 5 (woulda been 18, no doubt, in 1945). From 1942 to 1958, a serious BA title contender every year he played. Then there's adjusted OPS+, where he was 1st 6 times, 2nd 4 times... well, I think you get the idea.
4. RICKEY HENDERSON - Top 5 in AL in R 10 times from 1980-90. First in SB 11 times from 1980-91. Quietly over 120 OPS+ 14 straight years. Started 407 G in CF.
5. ED DELAHANTY
6. CARL YASTRZEMSKI
7. AL SIMMONS
8. BILLY WILLIAMS
9. TIM RAINES
10. MANNY RAMIREZ - Bad fielder when not DHing. And a .996 career OPS, 12th all-time. Over 1.000 eight times.

11. MONTE IRVIN - Benefited from my re-reading of his "real time" thread in 2005: https://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/hall_of_merit/discussion/monte_irvin
12. JESSE BURKETT
13. WILLIE STARGELL
14. FRED CLARKE
15. SHERRY MAGEE
16. JIMMY SHECKARD
17. GOOSE GOSLIN
18. ZACK WHEAT
19. JOE KELLEY
20. LANCE BERKMAN - A fine slugger - for about 10 years. See Kiner, Ralph.
21. RALPH KINER
22. CHARLIE KELLER
23. JOE MEDWICK
24. MINNIE MINOSO
25. HARRY STOVEY
26. CHARLEY JONES

   8. Chris Cobb Posted: January 29, 2023 at 05:57 PM (#6115051)
A few small changes from the preliminary ranking.

1. Barry Bonds
2. Ted Williams
3. Rickey Henderson
4. Stan Musial
5. Carl Yastrzemski
6. Ed Delahanty
7. Manny Ramirez
8. Tim Raines
9. Fred Clarke
10. Al Simmons
11. Jesse Burkett
12. Minnie Minoso
13. Sherry Magee
14. Monte Irvin
15. Willie Stargell
16. Goose Goslin
17. Charlie Keller
18. Zack Wheat
19. Billy Williams
20. Joe Kelley
21. Lance Berkman
22. Ralph Kiner
23. Harry Stovey
24. Jimmy Sheckard
25. Charley Jones
26. Joe Medwick

   9. DL from MN Posted: January 30, 2023 at 05:11 PM (#6115192)
I spent the afternoon going through the postseason pW data and want to revise my LF ballot

1) Ted Williams - I'm pretty sure he won't be unanimous this time. War credit gives him this top spot.
2) Barry Bonds - clear #2, almost #1
3) Stan Musial
4) Rickey Henderson
5) Ed Delahanty
6) Carl Yastrzemski
7) Tim Raines
8) Fred Clarke
9) Manny Ramirez - moves up one slot
10) Jesse Burkett
11) Billy Williams
12) Al Simmons
13) Monte Irvin
14) Charlie Keller - moves up 1 spot
15) Willie Stargell
16) Zack Wheat
17) Joe Kelley
18) Minnie Minoso
-- Bob Johnson
19) Sherry Magee
20) Jimmy Sheckard
21) Harry Stovey
22) Goose Goslin - moves up 1 spot
23) Charley Jones
24) Joe Medwick - not PHoM from here down
25) Ralph Kiner
26) Lance Berkman - I was actually overcrediting his postseason
   10. Guapo Posted: January 31, 2023 at 12:52 AM (#6115234)
1. Ted Williams
2. Barry Bonds
3. Stan Musial
4. Rickey Henderson
5. Carl Yastrzemski
6. Tim Raines
7. Manny Ramirez
8. Ed Delahanty
9. Minnie Minoso
10. Al Simmons
11. Monte Irvin
12. Fred Clarke
13. Goose Goslin
14. Billy Williams
15. Sherry Magee
16. Willie Stargell
17. Zack Wheat
18. Jesse Burkett
19. Charlie Keller
20. Lance Berkman
21. Joe Medwick
22. Joe Kelley
23. Ralph Kiner
24. Jimmy Sheckard
25. Harry Stovey
26. Charley Jones
   11. Alex02 Posted: January 31, 2023 at 05:56 PM (#6115337)
1. Barry Bonds
2. Ted Williams
3. Stan Musial
4. Rickey Henderson
5. Carl Yastrzemski
6. Al Simmons
7. Ed Delahanty
8. Tim Raines
9. Goose Goslin
10. Manny Ramirez
11. Jesse Burkett
12. Fred Clarke
13. Billy Williams
14. Monte Irvin
15. Minnie Minoso
16. Willie Stargell
17. Zack Wheat
18. Ralph Kiner
19. Charlie Keller
20. Sherry Magee
21. Lance Berkman
22. Joe Kelley
23. Harry Stovey
24. Joe Medwick
25. Jimmy Sheckard
26. Charley Jones
   12. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: January 31, 2023 at 10:06 PM (#6115351)
HoM LF ranking in my WAA/WAPM/WAG rate-based system:

1. Barry Bonds - 518.32 - #2 player all-time
2. Ted Williams - 425.77 - #4 player all-time
3. Stan Musial - 290.07 - #13 player all-time
4. Rickey Henderson - 257.97 - #21 player all-time
5. Carl Yastrzemski - 151.91
6. Ed Delahanty - 147.10
7. Tim Raines - 122.73
8. Manny Ramirez - 120.90
9. Monte Irvin - 110.55
10. Willie Stargell - 102.76
11. Al Simmons - 100.92
12. Lance Berkman - 92.22
13. Charlie Keller - 89.93
(Albert Belle - 86.07)
14. Charley Jones - 86.03
15. Fred Clarke - 78.22
16. Billy Williams - 75.34
17. Ralph Kiner - 72.80
18. Minnie Minoso - 69.61
19. Goose Goslin - 69.58
20. Harry Stovey - 68.31
21. Sherry Magee - 63.68
22. Joe Medwick - 63.35
23. Joe Kelley - 60.98
(Roy White - 60.18)
24. Jimmy Sheckard - 59.62
25. Jesse Burkett - 55.71
(Bob Johnson - 53.01)
26. Zack Wheat - 46.15
   13. theorioleway Posted: February 01, 2023 at 02:58 PM (#6115413)
1. Barry Bonds (Tier 5)
2. Ted Williams (Tier 5)
3. Rickey Henderson (Tier 5)
4. Stan Musial (Tier 5)
5. Carl Yastrzemski (Tier 4)
6. Ed Delahanty (Tier 4)
7. Monte Irvin (Tier 4)
8. Tim Raines (Tier 3)
9. Jesse Burkett (Tier 3)
10. Fred Clarke (Tier 3)
11. Minnie Minoso (Tier 3)
12. Manny Ramirez (Tier 3)
13. Billy Williams (Tier 3)
14. Sherry Magee (Tier 3)
15. Al Simmons (Tier 3)
16. Joe Kelley (Tier 3)
17. Willie Stargell (Tier 2)
18. Charlie Keller (Tier 2)
19. Goose Goslin (Tier 1)
20. Lance Berkman (Tier 1)
21. Harry Stovey (Tier 1)
22. Ralph Kiner (Tier 0.5)
23. Zack Wheat (Tier 0.5)
24. Charley Jones (Tier 0.5)
25. Jimmy Sheckard (N/A)
26. Joe Medwick (N/A)
   14. Esteban Rivera Posted: February 01, 2023 at 10:09 PM (#6115462)
My LF rankings this go around:

1. Barry Bonds
2. Ted Williams
3. Stan Musial
4. Rickey Henderson
5. Carl Yastrzemski
6. Ed Delahanty
7. Al Simmons
8. Fred Clarke
9. Tim Raines
10. Billy Williams
11. Manny Ramirez
12. Jesse Burkett
13. Willie Stargell
14. Goose Goslin
15. Monte Irvin
16. Zack Wheat
17. Minnie MiƱoso
18. Ralph Kiner
19. Harry Stovey
20. Sherry Magee
21. Charley Jones
22. Joe Medwick
23. Joe Kelley
24. Charlie Keller
25. Lance Berkman
26. Jimmy Sheckard
   15. DL from MN Posted: February 02, 2023 at 09:46 AM (#6115477)
Ballot will close at noon Eastern 2/2
   16. DL from MN Posted: February 02, 2023 at 09:50 AM (#6115478)
taxandbeerguy Posted: January 08, 2023 at 11:58 PM (#6112503)
Long time lurker, never voter.

Glad to see this positional thread being revisited. A lot has changed in 15 years or so since these were done.

Feel free to discount any or all of this - never voted so certainly not qualified to pass judgement on any orderings.

Just to throw it out there - here would be my best estimate as to where these great players rank. I'm career leaning.

1. Bonds
2. T. Williams (War credit gets him almost there)
3. Musial
4. Henderson
-----INNER CIRCLE ENDS-----
5. Delahanty (a pennant is a pennant)
6. Yastrzemski
-----VERY SMALL HALL ENDS-----
7. Ramirez (the bat is too much - but I may be overrating it.)
8. Clarke
9. Simmons
10. Irvin
11. Raines (maybe screwed by 81, 94 and 95 less than you might think)
12. Burkett
-----SMALL HALL ENDS?-----
13. Goslin
14. B. Williams
15. Stargell
16. Minoso
17. Stovey
18. Magee
19. Kelley
-----EVERONE BELOW HERE HAS PLENTY OF WARTS-----
20. Sheckard
21. Berkman
22. Keller
23. Kiner
24. Wheat
25. Jones
26. Medwick

Bob Johnson probably fits in between Wheat and Jones. I don't think anyone else passes Medwick for me.
   17. Mike Webber Posted: February 02, 2023 at 11:22 AM (#6115486)
### Name
1 Barry Bonds
2 Ted Williams
3 Stan Musial
4 Rickey Henderson
5 Carl Yastrzemski
6 Tim Raines
7 Manny Ramirez
8 Fred Clarke
9 Willie Stargell
10 Billy Williams
11 Zack Wheat
12 Al Simmons
13 Jesse Burkett
14 Ed Delahanty
15 Goose Goslin
16 Sherry Magee
17 Jimmy Sheckard
18 Monte Irvin
19 Minnie Minoso
20 Lance Berkman
21 Joe Medwick
22 Joe Kelley
23 Ralph Kiner
24 Charlie Keller
25 Harry Stovey
26 Charley Jones
   18. DL from MN Posted: February 02, 2023 at 01:32 PM (#6115505)
Election is over, results available when my ballot counter sends them to me. Thanks for participating.
   19. Tiboreau Posted: February 02, 2023 at 03:33 PM (#6115524)
My apologies, but do you have room for one more ballot? I just finished ranking HoM left fielders and and only now noticed the deadline. If not, I totally understand.
   20. Tiboreau Posted: February 02, 2023 at 03:38 PM (#6115526)
If it is okay, here is my ballot so y'all don't have to wait any longer; if not, please disregard!

1. Barry Bonds
2. Ted Williams
3. Stan Musial
4. Rickey Henderson
5. Carl Yastrzemski
6. Ed Delahanty
7. Manny Ramirez
8. Al Simmons
9. Tim Raines
10. Minnie Minoso
11. Monte Irvin
12. Jesse Burkett
13. Fred Clarke
14. Billy Williams
15. Charlie Keller
16. Goose Goslin
17. Lance Berkman
18. Willie Stargell
19. Harry Stovey
20. Joe Kelley
21. Sherry Magee
22. Ralph Kiner
23. Charley Jones
24. Joe Medwick
25. Zack Wheat
26. Jimmy Sheckard

 

 

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