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Hall of Merit— A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best
Wednesday, January 07, 2015
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1. karlmagnus Posted: January 07, 2015 at 04:33 PM (#4875432)Edit: HOF vote that is. Since the others are in the HOM, then Manny can go in too.
BBRef has Manny a bit ahead in WAR while FanGraphs has them even. Looking at the individual seasons there isn't a lot to say McGwire deserves a lot of "great year" credit ahead of Manny. Mac's got a bit of an edge in the top seasons but not by enough to feel conclusive.
I'm not saying Manny is meaningfully ahead of McGwire either. I just am curious the argument for McGwire as being clearly ahead of Manny to be referenced with Bonds and Clemens who obviously are leaps and bounds ahead of both.
I see them about even, though if they came on the ballot the same year, and I had to make an either/or, I'd take the briefly held HR record as a tiebreaker. As things are, McGwire should go in first because he's been on the ballot longer. If there was ever a change in how the HOF sees the steroid candidates, I'd like to see Manny wait his turn.
Wait, why is Manny eligible in 2016 with Griffey? Shouldn't he be eligible in 2017 with Pudge and Vlad?
From the HOF perspective, I think that there is a clear difference between using female fertility drugs before they were banned versus after they were banned. The suspension is different than BALCO, Mitchell, etc. and different even than the 2003 pre-testing that supposedly tripped up Sosa. I suspect some HOF voters will place Braun, Manny, ARod in a different basket than Bonds, McGwire, et al.
Or if they've already missed a year the retirement clock does not restart unless they play significantly. This is subjective, which is why Moyer may or may not be considered eligible in 2016.
Gotcha, thanks! Didn't know that.
I don't know when his back injury was, but when I watched him in Oakland and he was comically awkward lumbering fruitlessly after pop ups in the vast expanse of foul ground at the Coliseum.
Yes.
It's somewhat open-ended, though the voter should be able to specify a reason/incident beyond "I don't like him." The discussion example was Roberto Alomar's spitting incident against umpire John Hirschbeck. A voter could have boycotted Alomar for one year for that incident though, per my recollection, no one chose to do so.
EDITED for grammar.
Cap Anson was boycotted by 6 voters for his role in building the color line, dropping him from first to second in 1903 though not delaying his induction
Shoeless Joe Jackson was boycotted by half of the voters (23 of 46) delaying his induction from 1926 to '27
Pete Rose was boycotted by 16 voters, allowing Bobby Grich to sneak ahead of him, and delaying his induction from 1992 to '93
Mark McGwire was boycotted by 2 voters though it did not effect McGwire's standing or induction
Rafael Palmeiro received up to 9 protest votes (some voters may have left him out of their top 15 for other reasons) though it probably didn't impact his induction as he would have finished fourth anyway
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