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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Friday, December 22, 2017Mock 2018 Hall of Fame Election ResultsBBTF would elect Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Chipper Jones, Mike Mussina, Curt Schilling, Jim Thome and Larry Walker to the Hall of Fame. Player Name Votes Percent Chipper Jones 59 97% Jim Thome 59 97% Roger Clemens 57 93% Barry Bonds 56 92% Curt Schilling 56 92% Mike Mussina 55 90% Larry Walker 48 79% Edgar Martinez 45 74% Scott Rolen 40 66% Vlad Guerrero 37 61% Manny Ramirez 31 51% Sammy Sosa 14 23% Jeff Kent 6 10% Gary Sheffield 6 10% Johan Santana 5 8% Billy Wagner 5 8% Trevor Hoffman 3 5% Andruw Jones 3 5% Fred McGriff 2 3% Johnny Damon 1 2% Hideki Matsui 1 2% Jamie Moyer 1 2% Omar Vizquel 1 2% Chris Carpenter 0 0% Livan Hernandez 0 0% Orlando Hudson 0 0% Aubrey Huff 0 0% J Isringhausen 0 0% Carlos Lee 0 0% Brad Lidge 0 0% Kevin Millwood 0 0% Kerry Wood 0 0% Carlos Zambrano 0 0% votes 591 voters 61
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1. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 01:30 PM (#5596939)SOSH
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Interesting. So far only one person out of 88 on the Thibodaux's Tracker has submitted that same ballot: Mark Newman.
At the same time, there are very few Primates who are interested in seeing more closers in the HOF, and evidently only one interested in Vizquel.
That leaves maybe Kent, Sheffield, and Santana as possible sources of pitched arguments. Santana's case has provoked a couple of interesting threads here. (As of course has Martinez, for a lot longer, but those tend to fall under arguments over the DH.)
(my ballot would have been Bonds, Clemens, Chipper, Schilling, Mussina, Thome, Walker, Rolen, Manny, and Sosa...and I feel guilty leaving off Edgar(who I feel belongs, or at least half the time I feel that way) Kent, Santana, Sheffield and Vlad(those four I think belong on some days, and other days not so much) (with respect to McGriff, Hoffman and Wagner who I get the arguments, but just can't bring myself to ever put them over the line) (and I could never see an argument for Vizquel or Damon.)
To get the "good" controversies, you need to push the argument a little tougher... To me, it's hard to justify Vlad over Sheffield, so in a binary vote of either of those two guys who do you pick and why? Or you could have fun, why Moyer over Carpenter/Zambrano?
And of course why Wagner over Hoffman(or the other way around) and how do you really separate the two?
I did vote for Guerrero and not Sheffield, and at least a couple dozen others must have. For me it was mostly because Guerrero was more of an all-round player (very much like a Dave Parker who didn't get drugged-down or fat). Partly this approach values athleticism over results, but since (as you say) the results are close anyway, style points are something of a tiebreaker.
Muster up enough votes to keep Santana on the ballot, Manny will never get in, and Hoffman may inexplicably plateau just short of 75.
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