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Friday, December 22, 2017

Mock 2018 Hall of Fame Election Results

BBTF would elect Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Chipper Jones, Mike Mussina, Curt Schilling, Jim Thome and Larry Walker to the Hall of Fame.

Player Name	Votes	Percent
Chipper Jones	59	97%
Jim Thome	59	97%
Roger Clemens	57	93%
Barry Bonds	56	92%
Curt Schilling	56	92%
Mike Mussina	55	90%
Larry Walker	48	79%
Edgar Martinez	45	74%
Scott Rolen	40	66%
Vlad Guerrero	37	61%
Manny Ramirez	31	51%
Sammy Sosa	14	23%
Jeff Kent	6	10%
Gary Sheffield	6	10%
Johan Santana	5	8%
Billy Wagner	5	8%
Trevor Hoffman	3	5%
Andruw Jones	3	5%
Fred McGriff	2	3%
Johnny Damon	1	2%
Hideki Matsui	1	2%
Jamie Moyer	1	2%
Omar Vizquel	1	2%
Chris Carpenter	0	0%
Livan Hernandez	0	0%
Orlando Hudson	0	0%
Aubrey Huff	0	0%
J Isringhausen	0	0%
Carlos Lee	0	0%
Brad Lidge	0	0%
Kevin Millwood	0	0%
Kerry Wood	0	0%
Carlos Zambrano	0	0%
	votes	591
	voters	61

DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 01:25 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 01:30 PM (#5596939)

Edgar missed by one vote. Rolen probably makes it if the 10 vote per ballot limit is lifted, not sure about Vlad.

2. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 01:38 PM (#5596941)

We first elected Bonds and Clemens in 2015. Schilling and Mussina in 2016.

3. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 01:49 PM (#5596946)

Voters who voted the BBTF top 10

SOSH
ajnrules
snapper
Steve Parris
Rally
vortex
McDowell
Obo
Brady Anderson

4. ajnrules Posted: December 22, 2017 at 03:45 PM (#5596980)

Voters who voted the BBTF top 10

List of 9 names

Interesting. So far only one person out of 88 on the Thibodaux's Tracker has submitted that same ballot: Mark Newman.

5. John DiFool2 Posted: December 22, 2017 at 03:53 PM (#5596984)

In another fora I frequent, they run an identical poll each year. There Bonds, Clemens, and the other 'roid gang do much worse than they do here, and in point of fact typically mirror the actual voting. They also elect far fewer players (last year I don't think anyone made it).

6. BDC

Posted: December 22, 2017 at 04:47 PM (#5596997)

So, are there any really good HOF controversies to be had here at BBTF? I think that the top 12 there, through Sosa, are unobjectionable HOFers in Halls of the current size and standards, if you are not hung up on steroids and it seems very few here are.

At the same time, there are very few Primates who are interested in seeing more closers in the HOF, and evidently only one interested in Vizquel.

That leaves maybe Kent, Sheffield, and Santana as possible sources of pitched arguments. Santana's case has provoked a couple of interesting threads here. (As of course has Martinez, for a lot longer, but those tend to fall under arguments over the DH.)

7. cardsfanboy

Posted: December 22, 2017 at 05:34 PM (#5597003)

Oops, I missed the voting, I thought I had more time for some reason.

(my ballot would have been Bonds, Clemens, Chipper, Schilling, Mussina, Thome, Walker, Rolen, Manny, and Sosa...and I feel guilty leaving off Edgar(who I feel belongs, or at least half the time I feel that way) Kent, Santana, Sheffield and Vlad(those four I think belong on some days, and other days not so much) (with respect to McGriff, Hoffman and Wagner who I get the arguments, but just can't bring myself to ever put them over the line) (and I could never see an argument for Vizquel or Damon.)

8. cardsfanboy

Posted: December 22, 2017 at 05:41 PM (#5597004)

So, are there any really good HOF controversies to be had here at BBTF? I think that the top 12 there, through Sosa, are unobjectionable HOFers in Halls of the current size and standards, if you are not hung up on steroids and it seems very few here are.

To get the "good" controversies, you need to push the argument a little tougher... To me, it's hard to justify Vlad over Sheffield, so in a binary vote of either of those two guys who do you pick and why? Or you could have fun, why Moyer over Carpenter/Zambrano?

And of course why Wagner over Hoffman(or the other way around) and how do you really separate the two?

9. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 09:36 PM (#5597042)

9 people expressly mentioned they would have voted for Rolen with more room. At least one did for Edgar also.

10. BDC

Posted: December 23, 2017 at 08:52 AM (#5597071)

To me, it's hard to justify Vlad over Sheffield, so in a binary vote of either of those two guys who do you pick and why?

I did vote for Guerrero and not Sheffield, and at least a couple dozen others must have. For me it was mostly because Guerrero was more of an all-round player (very much like a Dave Parker who didn't get drugged-down or fat). Partly this approach values athleticism over results, but since (as you say) the results are close anyway, style points are something of a tiebreaker.

11. The Duke Posted: December 23, 2017 at 10:11 AM (#5597080)

Would seem to argue that the narrative voters who come in last ( or not at all) will
Muster up enough votes to keep Santana on the ballot, Manny will never get in, and Hoffman may inexplicably plateau just short of 75.

12. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 23, 2017 at 12:49 PM (#5597109)

I had been wondering when you guys were doing a mock ballot again this year and I somehow missed the thread! Oh well. C'est la vie.

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