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Friday, December 10, 2021

Mock 2022 Hall of Fame Election Results

BBTF would elect Roger Clemens, Scott Rolen, Barry Bonds and Gary Sheffield to the Hall of Fame

Player Name	Votes	Percent
Roger Clemens	39	92.9%
Scott Rolen	39	92.9%
Barry Bonds	38	90.5%
Gary Sheffield	33	78.6%
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Alex Rodriguez	31	73.8%
Curt Schilling	31	73.8%
Todd Helton	29	69.0%
Manny Ramirez	27	64.3%
David Ortiz	26	61.9%
Sammy Sosa	24	57.1%
Andruw Jones	18	42.9%
Jeff Kent	14	33.3%
Bobby Abreu	12	28.6%
Tim Hudson	9	21.4%
Mark Buehrle	8	19.0%
Andy Pettitte	8	19.0%
Billy Wagner	5	11.9%
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Joe Nathan	1	2.4%
Jake Peavy	1	2.4%
AJ Pierzynski	1	2.4%
Jimmy Rollins	1	2.4%
Carl Crawford	0	0.0%
Prince Fielder	0	0.0%
Ryan Howard	0	0.0%
Torii Hunter	0	0.0%
Tim Lincecum	0	0.0%
Justin Morneau	0	0.0%
Jonathan Papelbon	0	0.0%
Mark Teixeira	0	0.0%
Omar Vizquel	0	0.0%
	votes	395
	voters	42
DL from MN Posted: December 10, 2021 at 01:09 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: December 10, 2021 at 01:16 PM (#6056895)
Last year's results

BBTF has elected Bonds and Clemens every year since 2015, Rolen since 2019
Schilling had been elected every year since 2016 but dropped off
Manny was elected 2020-21, Helton last year. This is the first time we have elected Sheffield.
   2. The Duke Posted: December 10, 2021 at 02:24 PM (#6056906)
The most interesting answer here is Ortiz. This has to be one do the more favorable Ortiz communities so this would suggest he’ll end up in the 40-50 range. How does sammy Sosa end up almost identical to Ortiz ?
   3. Doug Jones threw harder than me Posted: December 10, 2021 at 02:33 PM (#6056910)
I would think Ortiz would be elected by the voters. He was well-loved by the writers (actually, who doesn't) and Fangraphs even likes him, and the article in Fangraphs also points out the lack of definite evidence re:steroids.
   4. kcgard2 Posted: December 10, 2021 at 03:06 PM (#6056912)
Looking at the players who missed election here, Sheffield is such an odd choice to be one of the ones to make it.
   5. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 10, 2021 at 03:06 PM (#6056913)
[1] I feel like Sheffield was a victim of the crowded ballot for a long time. Lots of people siad they supported him but didn’t have room to vote for him, but now they have room.
   6. Jaack Posted: December 10, 2021 at 04:37 PM (#6056925)
Sheffield placing 4th is a fun little oddity. The consensus top 5 players are Bonds, Clemens, Rolen, ARod, and Schilling, but the latter two have their issues obviously.

Is Sheffield the 6th best player on the ballot? I'm not sure I'd say that, but he definitely is in that conversation.
   7. Moeball Posted: December 10, 2021 at 10:39 PM (#6056963)
Lack of evidence for David Ortiz steroids usage? He has the same Mitchell-verified positive steroids test in 2003 that a lot of other players have. His complaint that it was due to some medicine or whatever he took rings every bit as hollow as Barry's comments that he didn't know what was in the flaxseed oil he was putting on his knees. The writers will elect Ortiz because they love him and will gladly turn a blind eye to his failed drug test. Other players with no more actual evidence than this have been treated far worse by the writers and this will continue to happen going forward.
   8. progrockfan Posted: December 11, 2021 at 02:18 PM (#6057012)
Let's watch the loose talk about 'roids, please.

Per Wikipedia:

"On July 30, 2009, The New York Times, citing anonymous sources, reported that Ortiz was among a group of over 100 major league players on a list compiled by federal investigators, that allegedly tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs during Major League Baseball survey testing conducted in spring training of 2003...

"On August 8, 2009, Ortiz held a press conference before a game at Yankee Stadium and denied ever buying or using steroids [...] On the same day, both Major League Baseball and the Major League Baseball Players Association issued statements pointing out that because of several factors, any player appearing on the list compiled by federal investigators in 2003 did not necessarily test positive for performance-enhancing drugs. Among those factors were that the total number of players said to be on the list far exceeded the number of collected specimens that tested positive. In addition, there were questions raised regarding the lab that performed the testing and their interpretation of the positive tests. Also, the statement pointed out that certain legal supplements that were available over the counter at the time could cause a positive test result.

"On October 2, 2016 at a press conference at Fenway Park, MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred said it was "entirely possible" Ortiz did not test positive during the MLB survey drug testing in 2003. The commissioner stated that the alleged failed test should not harm Ortiz's legacy, and that there were "legitimate scientific questions about whether or not those were truly positives". Manfred added "Those particular tests were inconclusive because "it was hard to distinguish between certain substances that were legal, available over the counter, and not banned under our program." He also said "Ortiz has never been a positive at any point under our program" since MLB began testing in 2004 and that it is unfair for Hall of Fame voters to consider "leaks, rumors, innuendo and non-confirmed positive test results" when assessing a player."
   9. progrockfan Posted: December 11, 2021 at 02:29 PM (#6057015)
"[Ortiz's] complaint that it was due to some medicine or whatever he took rings every bit as hollow as Barry's comments that he didn't know what was in the flaxseed oil he was putting on his knees."

The weight of evidence against Bonds is staggering and meticulously documented. Game of Shadows gives a good overview.

The 'evidence' against Ortiz is the one test - and I think the line "the total number of players said to be on the list far exceeded the number of collected specimens that tested positive" says everything we need to know about the validity of that 'evidence.'
   10. progrockfan Posted: December 11, 2021 at 02:33 PM (#6057016)
...Curse this editing system!!
   11. The Duke Posted: December 11, 2021 at 05:40 PM (#6057031)
This discussion reminds me of the famous quote from Love, Actually by Billy Mack on his comeback tour when addressing a studio full of pre-teens

“Hiya kids. Here is an important message from your Uncle Bill. Don't buy drugs. Become a pop star, and they give you them for free.”

Saying you never bought drugs doesn’t really say anything.

   12. DL from MN Posted: December 17, 2021 at 03:45 PM (#6057782)
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