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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Monday, December 19, 2016Mock Hall of Fame Ballot 2017IMPORTANT: Please read: This election should follow BBWAA rules, not Hall of Merit rules. However, we hope to see only players that each voter feels belong on their ballots. Leaving 1st-year candidates off your ballot is also frowned upon. IOW, we would like to see an absence of some of the silliness that permeates Hall of Fame voting by the writers. The election will end Thursday on December 22, 2016 (3 PM EST). Results will be posted a short time later. Please don’t post any vote tallies on this thread. Here are some of the rules by the BBWAA that pertain to our electorate: 3. Eligible Candidates — Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements: A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning twenty (20) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election. 4. Method of Election A. BBWAA Screening Committee — A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee. 5. Voting — Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played. Voting an alphabetical ballot will make it easier to tally votes Here are the players, in alphabetical order: Jeff Bagwell |
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1. DL from MN Posted: December 19, 2016 at 11:30 AM (#5370689)Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Gary Sheffield
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
No room for: Jeff Kent, Edgar Martinez, Jorge Posada, Sammy Sosa
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vlad Guererro
Jeff Kent
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
For the first time in a while, I don't feel terrible about the 10 person limit. I would definitely also vote for Sheffield and almost certainly for Vlad. And I would probably give a vote (in descending order) to Sosa, Kent, Posada, and maybe McGriff. But compared to some of the ridiculous decisions of past years, this one was actually pretty easy.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Would have made my ballot if not for space limits: Manny Ramirez, Gary Sheffield, Sammy Sosa, and maybe Kent, McGiff and Posada. The latter three all all left off because they rank well below he other 13; the former three are left off due to a combination of quality and non-quality (e.g. Raines last year on the ballot, Ramierez's positive tests after the rule changes, etc.) issues.
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Jeff Bagwell
Gary Sheffield
Fed McGriff
Tim Raines
Larry Walker
Note: Mike Mussina, in my RPA ratings, is the 11th best MLB pitcher since 1900. He should have been a first ballot HOF'er!! Almost unique in MLB history, every single year of his career, he was a premier pitcher! Every single year, in other words, Mussina was a plus run value to his team. When I totaled up his run value for his entire career, only 10 MLB pitchers had a higher run value, with Roger Clemens as Numero Uno.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Mike Mussina
Larry Walker
Gary Sheffield
Sammy Sosa
With room would add Curt Schilling, Ivan Rodriguez, Fred McGriff, Jeff Kent, Billy Wagner, Lee Smith, Trevor Hoffman. Maybe Manny Ramirez if feeling extra generous.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Larry Walker
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Jeff Kent
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
(Edgar was 11th)
Bonds
Clemens
Raines
Rodriguez
Mussina
Schilling
Ramirez
Walker
Martinez
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Copied and pasted the entire list and began deleting guys- first pass through left me with 18- knocking off 5 was easy, last 3 got harder, Vlad was the last guy I knocked off..
Boy the group think is strong here... everyone's ballot looks like everyone else's
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Larry Walker
My ballot (in alphabetical order, as requested):
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Jeff Kent
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Larry Walker
I would also vote for Vladimir Guerrero, Jorge Posada, Manny Ramirez, Ivan Rodriguez, and Sammy Sosa if not for the 10-man ballot limit.
Bonds
Clemens
Martinez
Mussina
Raines
Rodriguez
Schilling
Sosa
Walker
with more room I'd also vote for
Guerrero
Hoffman
Kent
McGriff
Ramirez
Sheffield
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
On the one hand, it does feel like the backlog has eased considerably. But, on the other hand, I count 18 ballots so far as I type this, and every single one of them has listed 10 names.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Jeff Kent
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Gary Sheffield
Larry Walker
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Gary Sheffield
Bonds
Clemens
Mussina
Raines
Ramirez
Rodriguez
Schilling
Sosa
Raines
Clemens
Bonds
Mussina
Schilling
Irod
Walker
Sosa
Edgar
Bonds
Clemens
Guerrero
Martinez
Mussina
Raines
Rodriguez
Schilling
Walker
Bonds
Clemens
Guerrero
Martinez
Mussina
Raines
Rodriguez
Schilling
Walker
Thought hard about Sheffield. He easily could've been there instead of Walker, Edgar, or Guerrero.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Larry Walker
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Gary Sheffield
Sammy Sosa
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Fred McGriff
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Larry Walker
The last two cuts were both excruciating. I imagine my voting criteria are pretty idiosyncratic, but then again so are the BWAA's, and I feel pretty good about my ballot. Would also vote for Martinez, Sheffield, I guess Schilling, probably Hoffman. I've never looked all that closely at Kent because he's never been a top-10 guy in any year I've paid attention.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Larry Walker
Funny thing is in other places I had Vlad instead of Sheffield. Doing my HoM ballot made me realize I had that one wrong.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Sammy Sosa
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Bonds
Clemens
Mussina
Posada
Raines
Ramirez
Rodriguez
Schilling
Sheffield
--MWE
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Vlad Guererro
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Guerrero
Kent
Martinez
McGriff
Mussina
Raines
Rodriguez
Schilling
Walker
If there were 8 deserving candidates instead of 18, I'd give Tim Wakefield a "Rookie, you were good" vote.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Mike Mussina
Curt Schilling
Edgar Martinez
Trevor Hoffman
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Mussina, Sosa, walker, Kent, and Edgar all float around my cut line. Could be a slightly different list tomorrow. I'm a sucker for fame as a tie breaker. Mussina is too good to leave out despite being boring IMO. Sosa and Big Mac are both in my personal HoF.
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Mussina
Jorge Posada
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
I'd also vote yes to these guys, but I can't since I only get 10 spots.
Edgar Martinez
Sammy Sosa
Larry Walker
Vladimir Guerrero
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Jeff Kent
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Sammy Sosa
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
I'd also definitely vote for Vlad, Sheffield and Sosa if I had room, and maybe McGriff. Kent and Posada.
Bonds
Clemens
Guerrero
Mussina
Raines
Ramirez
Rodriguez
Schilling
Walker
(The 'if allowed' votes wold be Martinez, Sheffield, McGriff)
J. Bagwell
B. Bonds
R. Clemens
E. Martinez
M. Mussina
T. Raines
M. Ramirez
I. Rodriguez
C. Schilling
G. Sheffield
Bonds
Clemens
Bagwell
Schilling
Mussina
Raines
Rameriz
Walker
Martinez
Rodriguez
Sosa, Vlad, Kent, Sheffield, and McGriff would also make my ballot with unlimited room. I'd probably add both Posada and yes - Hoffman (Fame not Merit) and space permitting, might even be persuaded to include Smith. If I were to vote 'strategically, I think that I'd swap Sosa and Rodriguez mainly because I'm pretty sure I-Rod will make it easily and Sosa needs the votes. I might also consider swapping one of Vlad or Kent for Bagwell if only because Bags is on the cusp of election, too.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Larry Walker
If I could vote for more than 10, I'd include Curt Schilling, Jeff Kent, Sammy Sosa, Trevor Hoffman, and Fred McGriff.
Schilling,
Raines,
Mussina,
Clemens,
Walker,
Martinez
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Larry Walker
But there are so many good choices at the end of the ballot; on a different day I'd pick different ones.
Bonds
Clemens
Martinez
Mussina
Schilling
Raines
Ramirez
Rodriguez
Walker
Bonds
Clemens
Guerrero*
Mussina
Raines
Ramirez
Rodriguez
Schilling
Sosa*
If I could - Walker, Edgar, Sheffield, Kent, and maybe McGriff. Just say "NO" to closers.
* This is the HOF, not the HOM. Vlad and Sammy were much bigger stars (more memorable, relevant to their era, etc) than Walker was, and that matters too, IMO.
Clemens
Bagwell
Mussina
Raines
I-Rod
Schilling
Martinez
Ramirez
Walker
Vlad's a yes for me too, but slips off for want of space. Sheffield is damn close, but a no for now. Sosa and Kent are also in the conversation, but solid nos this year.
Bonds
Clemens
E. Martinez
Mussina
Raines
Manny Ramirez
I. Rodriguez
Schilling
G. Sheffield
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
aka the AROM / dlf / Snapper / Steve Parris, Je t'aime ballot
With apologies to Manny Ramirez, Gary Sheffield, Sammy Sosa, Fred McGriff, Billy Wagner, Magglio Ordonez, Tim Wakefield
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
The cuts were Vladimir Guerrero, Jeff Kent, Gary Sheffield, and Sammy Sosa.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
I had 4 or 5 others I might vote for if I could - Kent, McGriff, maybe Wagner, maybe Sheffield, maybe Sosa. I've left Manny off for the failed drug tests after the rules changed - he'll get my vote next year.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Gary Sheffield
Lee Smith
I don't think I would vote for more than these ten, so we are possibly at the point where the ballot can be deemed 'cleared', and can go back to first-ballot silliness with a clear conscience. YMMV.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Would also vote for Sheffield, Sosa and Guerrero, in that order, if I could.
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Larry Walker
Left off due to lack of room: Guerrero, Posada, and Ramirez.
I probably would adjust this if in the BBWAA poll for strategic purposes, but it would still be ten of these thirteen players.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Larry Walker
Guerrero, Kent, Rodriguez, and Sosa also worthy.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
No relief pitchers
No designated hitters
No one disciplined for ped use after rules and testing were implemented
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Jeff Kent
Mike Mussina
Iim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Gary Sheffield
Larry Walker
I could have added at least 5 more players eligible (or should be eligible). BBWAA, you are ridiculous.
Very much a minority opinion around here. Only a smaller-than-Cooperstown-Hall voter would exclude Walker, Mussina and Schilling.
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