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Most Meritorious Player: 1895 Ballot

Here are the specific rules for this election:

Candidate Eligibility: Any North American professional baseball player is eligible for the Most Meritorious Player (MMP) award including players on independent teams. Voters should consider the player’s on-field contribution to Major League Baseball (MLB) team(s) in that season only. If part of the season was spent outside MLB, that value may be considered as well. However, the player’s on-field contribution should be judged in relation to the highest level major league, not relative to a minor league. A season may include playoff or World Series games but does not include spring training or exhibition games. No credit will be given for games not played due to injury, wartime service or contract holdouts.

Ballot Length: For 1895, each voter should rank 10 players.

Voter eligibility: All voters who did not vote in the previous year’s election must post a preliminary ballot in the ballot discussion thread. All voters must fill out a complete ballot. Voters must briefly explain their ballot choices. One person, one vote; anyone determined to have voted with multiple accounts will be banned and their votes will be disallowed. The MMP ballot committee has authority to exclude any ballot that does not meet these requirements.

Scoring: Points will be given in descending order with the highest-ranked player receiving 15 points, the second highest 14 points, and so on until the last player on the ballot receives 1 point. The player with the highest point total will be named the Most Meritorious Player. In case of a tie, the tiebreaker will be number of first place votes. If the tiebreaker does not determine a winner the players will share the title of Most Meritorious Player.

Balloting will close at 4pm EST on 2 February 2022.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 1 February 2022.

DL from MN Posted: January 23, 2022 at 10:48 AM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. DL from MN Posted: January 23, 2022 at 01:10 PM (#6062106)

1895 Ballot

1) Hughie Jennings - replacement level for SS is low this season. Good glove
2) Pink Hawley - 444 innings pitched
3) Ed Delahanty - best hitter
4) Cy Young - Hawley had more innings and a better bat. Young was the better pitcher by rate stats
5) Sam Thompson
6) Jesse Burkett - Thompson v Burkett is purely scarcity. RF had less talent than LF.
7) Kid Nichols
8) Bill Lange
9) Mike Griffin
10) Joe Kelley - the bats are all in the outfield

11-15) Billy Hamilton, Willie Keeler, Jake Stenzel, John McGraw (best 3B), Jack Clement (best C)

Frank Grant is my best 2B

2. kcgard2 Posted: January 23, 2022 at 04:31 PM (#6062127)

1895 ballot

1) Cy Young
2) Pink Hawley - close, difficult choice between 1 and 2
3) Kid Nichols
4) Hughie Jennings
5) Ed Delahanty
6) Billy Hamilton
7) Sam Thompson - essential tie with Hamilton
8) George (Nig) Cuppy
9) Clark Griffith - another virtual tie with Cuppy
10) Joe Kelley

11-15) Amos Rusie, Willie Keeler, Jesse Burkett, Mike Griffin, Bill Lange

3. bjhanke Posted: January 23, 2022 at 05:19 PM (#6062133)

Here's Brock Hanke's ballot, compiled again from the Win Shares listed in the book Win Shares for the year 1895. I'd like to note, just for amusement, that the only players on the list who are not in the Hall of Fame are pitchers Hawley, Hoffer and Cuppy. I don't know how uncommon this is.

1. Pink Hawley 44
2. Young 37
3. Burkett 35
4. B. Hoffer 35
5. Nichols 34
6. Griffith 34
7. Nig Cuppy 33
8. Delahanty 31
9. Hamilton 30
10. Jennings 29

4. MrC. Posted: January 24, 2022 at 02:13 PM (#6062262)

1895 Ballot

1. Pink Hawley 9.34 WARR
2. Cy Young 8.31 WARR
3. Ed Delahanty 7.86 WARR
4. Billy Hamilton 7.72 WARR
5. Ted Breitenstein 7.42 WARR
6. Hugh Jennings 7.19 WARR
7. Bill Lange 7.18 WARR
8. Kid Nichols 6.45 WAR
9. Jesse Burkett 6.62 WARR
10, Sam Thompson 6.53 WARR

Rest of top 15
11. Mike Griffin
12. George Cuppy
13. John McGraw
14. Amos Rusie
15. Bill Hoffer

5. HAWK Posted: February 01, 2022 at 01:39 PM (#6063361)

1) Hughie Jennings – 7.5 WAR, Best fielding shortstop, Best non-outfield hitter, 143 OPS+, 200+ hits, Regular Season Champion
2) Cy Young – 11.6 WAR, 35 Wins, 152 ERA+, 3.95 FIP, Best fielding pitcher
3) Pink Hawley – 11.1 WAR, 31 Wins, 143 ERA+, 4.19 FIP
4) Kid Nichols – 9.5 WAR, 27 Wins, 146 ERA+, 4.05 FIP
5) Ed Delahanty – 6.9 WAR, Best hitter, 186 OPS+, .404 BA, .500 OBP, .617 SLG, solid fielder
6) Sam Thompson – 6.0 WAR, 176 OPS+, .654 SLG, 200+ hits, 352 TB
7) George Cuppy – 8.5 WAR, 26 Wins, 140 ERA+, 4.27 FIP, excellent fielding pitcher
8) Bill Hoffer – 7.9 WAR, 31 Wins, 149 ERA+, 4.81 FIP
9) Billy Hamilton – 6.1 WAR, 153 OPS+, 200+ hits, 97 SB
10) Burkett, Jesse – 5.3 WAR, 152 OPS+, .405 BA, 225 hits

6. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: February 01, 2022 at 07:00 PM (#6063416)

Final ballot-some small credit for playing for a Pennant contender

1. Cy Young
2. Pink Hawley
3. Hugh Jennings
4. Kid Nichols
5. Sam Thompson
6. Ed Delahanty
7. Joe Kelley
8. Billy Hamilton
9. Bill Hoffer
10.Jesse Burkett

7. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: February 02, 2022 at 07:59 AM (#6063458)

Official 1895 MMP Ballot

1) Bill Hoffer: Best ML player and pitcher.
2) Pink Hawley: Best colorful name.
3) Kid Nichols: Best pitcher of the '1890s.
4) Cy Young: Best career player on this list.
5) Clark Griffith: Best future owner.
6) George Cuppy: Best (or worst) offensive nickname.
7) Jesse Burkett: Best ML positional player and left fielder.
8) Amos Rusie: Best fastball.
9) Ed Delahanty: Best player who stupidly killed himself in the future.
10) Hughie Jennings: Best ML shortstop.

8. DL from MN Posted: February 02, 2022 at 12:18 PM (#6063489)

I will move Michael Binkley prelim ballot over before the deadline if he doesn't post a final ballot before then

9. DL from MN Posted: February 02, 2022 at 03:47 PM (#6063546)

Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: January 07, 2022 at 11:45 AM (#6060155)
1895 MMP preliminary ballot:

1. Cy Young ($33.26M salary estimator)
2. Pink Hawley (28.69)
3. Ed Delahanty (22.50) - MMPosition Player
4. Hughie Jennings (21.93)
5. Kid Nichols (21.56)
6. George Cuppy (21.03)
7. Bill Hoffer (20.73)
8. Clark Griffith (18.39)
9. Billy Hamilton (17.04)
10. Bill Lange (16.75)

11-15. Sam Thompson, John McGraw, Joe Kelley, Mike Griffin, Jesse Burkett.

1895 mWAR All-Stars:

c - Jack Clements
1b - Ed Cartwright
2b - Bid McPhee
3b - John McGraw
ss - Hughie Jennings
lf - Ed Delahanty
cf - Billy Hamilton
rf - Sam Thompson

sp - Cy Young
sp - Pink Hawley
sp - Kid Nichols

10. DL from MN Posted: February 02, 2022 at 04:02 PM (#6063548)

Election is over. Results soon.

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