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Tuesday, May 31, 2022

Most Meritorious Player: 1900 Discussion

No World Series yet so no postseason consideration. Roughly 140 game schedule with only 8 teams so replacement level is high and compiled stats will be low.

Player			BBR WAR
Honus Wagner		6.5
Elmer Flick		5.9
John McGraw		5.3
Jesse Burkett		5.3
Kip Selbach		5.2
Jake Beckley		4.3
Napoleon Lajoie		4.2
Billy Hamilton		4.2
George Davis		4.1
Willie Keeler		3.7
Joe Kelley		3.5
George Van Haltren	3.4
Bill Dahlen		3.2
Jimmy Barrett		3.1
Jimmy Collins		3.1
Roy Thomas		3.0
Ed Delahanty		2.9
Dan McGann		2.9
Claude Ritchey		2.8
Ed McFarland		2.3

Grant Johnson		3 recorded games, 118 OPS+
Frank Grant		4 recorded games, 61 OPS+
Carlos Moran		29 recorded games, 200 OPS+

Pitcher
Cy Young		7.5
Bill Dinneen		6.7
Noodles Hahn		6.4
Joe McGinnity		5.8
Deacon Phillipe		5.1
Kid Nichols		4.8
Sam Leever		4.8
Clark Griffith		4.5
Ned Garvin		4.3
Brickyard Kennedy	4.2
Jesse Tannehill		4.1
Rube Waddell		3.8

Luis Padron		7.1 (185.1 IP, 174 ERA+)

 

DL from MN Posted: May 31, 2022 at 08:56 AM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: May 31, 2022 at 09:15 AM (#6079164)
Last historical MMP vote. It will just become a yearly vote like the HoM from now on. Not sure if there is any interest in doing anything else. I don't feel like tackling managers or executives.

1900 Prelim
1) Honus Wagner - clear #1
2) Elmer Flick - best bat
3) Napoleon Lajoie
4) John McGraw
5) Billy Hamilton
6) Kip Selbach
7) Noodles Hahn - contraction dramatically raised the talent level for pitchers, moreso than for position players.
8) Cy Young
9) Grant Johnson - I have him ranked as the best SS this season. Wagner was still not playing SS full time
10) Willie Keeler

11-15) Jake Beckley, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Jesse Burkett, Clark Griffith
16-20) Jimmy Collins, Joe Kelley, Bill Dinneen, Jesse Tannehill, Win Mercer

I still haven't figured out how to rate Luis Padron. He's clearly worth consideration but I haven't found MLE projections.
   2. kcgard2 Posted: June 01, 2022 at 07:51 AM (#6079327)
1900 prelim

1) Cy Young
2) Honus Wagner
3) Elmer Flick
4) Noodles Hahn
5) Jesse Burkett
6) John McGraw
7) Kip Selbach
8) Billy Hamilton
9) Bill Dinneen
10) Nap Lajoie

11-15) Willie Keeler, Luis Padrón, Grant Johnson, George Davis, Joe McGinnity
16-20) Deacon Phillipe, Jake Beckley, Sam Leever, Joe Kelley, Bill Dahlen
   3. kcgard2 Posted: June 01, 2022 at 07:52 AM (#6079328)
Shout out to Ed Scott, who must have an interesting story and had a pretty solid season in 1900.
   4. DL from MN Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:06 AM (#6079486)
Luis went 13-4 for the Havana Reds in 1900 and led the Cuban Winter League in wins, winning percentage, complete games (17), hits (31) and homers (1, tied for the lead), batting .313 and slugging .394. He was second in the league in average and led in slugging as a fine two-way threat.


In July of 1909, the Cuban Stars brought Luis to the US and the 1909 White Sox gave him a try-out. The Washington Post reported that he signed with Chicago and the Chicago Tribune reports he did well in his try-out as an outfielder for the club, needing some help there. A Cuban paper predicted his success in the majors. He never did appear in Chicago there and some cite racism as the reason. Instead, Luis spent the summer with the Cuban Stars.


BBREF bullpen link
   5. DL from MN Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:37 AM (#6079489)
BTW - thanks to everyone who participated in this 11 year project along the way. I've learned a lot about players I'd never heard of before going through year-by-year. I have enjoyed the discussions. I will be visiting the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum in Kansas City this summer and I have a visit to Cooperstown on my list of things to do after the kids move out.
   6. kcgard2 Posted: June 03, 2022 at 06:39 PM (#6079789)
Thanks for organizing so much of the MMP/HOM projects, DL.
   7. HAWK Posted: June 09, 2022 at 01:30 PM (#6080848)

1) Honus Wagner – 6.4 WAR, 176 OPS+, 201 hits, 100 RBI, Best hitter
2) Elmer Flick – 5.9 WAR, 172 OPS+, 200 hits, 110 RBI, 11 HR
3) Cy Young – 7.2 WAR, 20 Wins, 120 ERA+, 2.76 FIP
4) John McGraw – 5.3 WAR, 157 OPS+, Best non-outfield hitter, excellent fielder
5) Joe McGinnity – 5.1 WAR, 28 Wins, 130 ERA+, 3.81 FIP, Regular Season Champion
6) Nap Lajoie – 4.2 WAR, 140 OPS+, Best fielding 2nd Baseman
7) Kip Selbach – 5.2 WAR, 150 OPS+, Best fielding Outfielder
8) Bill Dinneen – 6.9 WAR, 20 Wins, 132 ERA+, 3.67 FIP, good fielding pitcher
9) Jesse Burkett – 5.3 WAR, 151 OPS+, 203 hits
10) Willie Keeler – 3.7 WAR, 130 OPS+, 204 hits, Regular Season Champion

11) George Davis – 4.1 WAR, Best fielding Shortstop, 121 OPS+
12) Deacon Phillippe – 4.8 WAR, 20 Wins, 128 ERA+, 3.14 FIP
13) Joe Kelley – 3.5 WAR, 138 OPS+, Regular Season Champion
14) Billy Hamilton – 4.2 WAR, 123 OPS+, excellent fielder
15) Bill Dahlen – 3.2 WAR, excellent fielder, Regular Season Champion
16) Ed Delahanty – 2.9 WAR, 123 OPS+, 100 RBI, excellent fielder
17) Jake Beckley – 4.3 WAR, 129 OPS+
18) Jesse Tannehill – 4.9 WAR, 20 Wins, 126 ERA+, 3.34 FIP
19) Noodles Hahn – 6.2 WAR, 112 ERA+, 3.07 FIP
20) Jimmy Collins – 3.1 WAR, Best fielding 3rd Baseman
21) George Van Haltren – 3.4 WAR, 117 OPS+
22) Rube Waddell – 3.5 WAR, 153 ERA+, 2.75 FIP
23) Sam Leever – 4.7 WAR, 134 ERA+, 2.94 FIP
24) Ned Garvin – 3.8 WAR, 149 ERA+, 3.16 FIP
25) Clark Griffith – 5.0 WAR, 118 ERA+, 3.46 FIP
   8. DL from MN Posted: June 22, 2022 at 01:32 PM (#6083260)
I think Padron works out right around the 20-25 range for me but I'm rating starting pitchers fairly low this season.
   9. Harmon Ripkowski Posted: June 29, 2022 at 01:14 AM (#6084424)
1900 ballot

1 - Elmer Flick
2 - Honus Wagner
3 - Cy Young
4 - Jesse Burkett
5 - John McGraw

6 - Billy Hamilton
7 - Bill Dineen
8 - Nap Lajoie
9 - George Davis
10- Kip Selbach


The rest would be Noodles Hahn, Jake Beckley, Willie Keeler, Joe McGinnity, and Deacon Phillippe
   10. Bettymel Posted: September 01, 2022 at 05:33 AM (#6093990)
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