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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Wednesday, November 04, 2015Most Meritorious Player: 1911 DiscussionMost Meritorious Player: 1911 Discussion The Athletics defeat the Giants in the World Series. Player SH WS BBR WAR Ty Cobb 47.8 10.7 Joe Jackson 38.2 9.2 Eddie Collins 34.7 6.5 Honus Wagner 30.8 6.5 Frank Baker 34.5 6.4 Jimmy Scheckard 30.6 5.0 Birdie Cree 25.4 5.5 Sam Crawford 32.5 5.7 Tris Speaker 26.2 6.1 Frank Schulte 30.6 5.3 Ed Konetchy 26.0 5.1 Danny Murphy 24.5 4.3 Larry Doyle 26.6 5.3 Jim Delahanty 24.7 3.4 Chief Meyers 17.5 3.7 Fred Snodgrass 24.1 3.4 Larry Gardner 18.9 4.2 Art Fletcher 16.5 3.4 Joe Tinker 21.7 4.4 Johnny Bates 21.9 4.2 Harry Hooper 19.4 4.0 Sherry Magee 19.5 3.5 Clyde Milan 27.4 5.0 Jake Daubert 19.6 3.6 Fred Merkle 17.7 3.8 Matty McIntyre 22.9 4.1 Buck Herzog 12.2 2.5 Roger Bresnahan 13.3 2.8 Fred Clarke 20.0 3.7 Fred Luderus 19.6 3.5 Harry Wolter 16.5 3.6 Bris Lord 21.4 3.8 John Henry Lloyd Pete Hill Bill Handy Bill Pettus Louis Santop Pitcher SH WS BBR WAR Nap Rucker 29.2 8.9 Pete Alexander 32.4 8.0 Walter Johnson 30.9 8.8 Vean Gregg 28.3 8.8 Ed Walsh 30.8 9.1 Christy Mathewson 31.4 7.3 Babe Adams 23.6 6.8 Joe Wood 25.3 6.4 Lefty Leifield 22.7 6.6 Russ Ford 28.1 6.7 Earl Moore 23.2 4.9 George Mullin 22.3 6.3 Eddie Plank 23.0 6.3 Rube Marquard 26.6 5.8 Ray Caldwell 21.9 6.2 Jose Mendez Walter Ball Charles Dougherty |
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1. DL from MN Posted: November 04, 2015 at 04:20 PM (#5088736)1) Ty Cobb - hit .420, nuff said
2) Joe Jackson
3) John Henry Lloyd - age 27 season
4) Eddie Collins
5) Honus Wagner
6) Nap Rucker
7) Frank Baker - leads league in Home Runs
8) Jimmy Sheckard
9) Pete Alexander
10) Walter Johnson
11-15) Bill Handy, Bill Pettus, Birdie Cree, Vean Gregg, Sam Crawford
16-20) Jose Mendez, Ed Walsh, Tris Speaker, Frank Schulte, Christy Mathewson
21-25) Babe Adams, Joe Wood, Lefty Leifield, Walter Ball, Ed Konetchy
1) Ty Cobb
2) Honus Wagner
3) Eddie Collins
4) Joe Jackson
5) Christy Mathewson
6) Frank Baker
7) Jose Mendez
8) Pete Alexander
9) Babe Adams
10) Nap Rucker
1) Ty Cobb
2) Honus Wagner
3) Eddie Collins
4) Joe Jackson
5) Christy Mathewson
6) Frank Baker
7) John Henry Lloyd - forgot him before
8) Jose Mendez
9) Pete Alexander
10) Babe Adams
1) Ty Cobb
2) Honus Wagner
3) Eddie Collins
4) Joe Jackson
5) Christy Mathewson
6) Frank Baker
7) John Henry Lloyd - forgot him before
8) Ed Walsh
9) Jose Mendez
10) Pete Alexander
2. Jose Mendez - DL has a good point above, it's hard to slot Mendez. But, he was the best pitcher in both the 10-11 Cuban winter league and the American Negro Leagues, per Seamheads. He pretty much dominated the Cuban league, which was the better competition in my view. That's pretty impressive, enough so that I'm slotting him at the top of my pitchers.
3. Christy Mathewson - best ML pitcher
4. Pete Alexander
5. Eddie Collins - with a WS bump.
6. Ed Walsh - best AL pitcher
7. Frank "Home Run" Baker - with a WS bump.
8. Honus Wagner - best NL position player
9. Sam Crawford
10. Walter Johnson
Shoeless Joe Jackson is the first man out; of course he could be on if I'm just overrating the Cuban pitchers. Luis Gonzalez of Habana also had a nice season and I considered him, but I don't think it quite slips into the top 10. John Henry Lloyd looked like he had good but not outstanding seasons in either Cuba or the U.S., so he doesn't make the ballot either.
Mendez is a tough one- I'm basing this on 1910-11 winter and 1911 US
accomplishments. ERA+ and IP are used for pitchers as well as the
advanced stats, helping to distinguish among the glut of good pitchers.
1. Ty Cobb
2. Joe Jackson
3. Walter Johnson
4. Jose Mendez
5. Eddie Collins
6. Ed Walsh
7. Frank "HR" Baker
8. Vean Gregg
9. Christie Mathewson (NL MMPi; #2 Alexander)
10. Honus Wagner (NL MMPP; #2 Sheckard)
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