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Thursday, May 23, 2019

Most Meritorious Player: 1916 Ballot

For 1916 each voter should rank the top 10 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 5 June 2019.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 4 June 2019.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: May 23, 2019 at 05:53 PM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: May 23, 2019 at 05:57 PM (#5845172)
1916 Ballot

1) Pete Alexander - sustained excellence with almost 400 innings
2) Tris Speaker - best bat
3) Joe Williams - great rate stats this season, good bat too
4) Ty Cobb
5) Walter Johnson
6) Babe Ruth - expect this won't be his only time on my ballot, postseason bump
7) Louis Santop - best rate production for hitting in his career is 1916-1918 (ages 27-29). Best catcher by a huge margin.
8) Zack Wheat
9) Heinie Groh - good glove for Wheat and Groh
10) Eddie Collins

11-15) Joe Jackson, Juan Padron, John Henry Lloyd, Art Fletcher, Cristobal Torriente
16-21) Max Carey, Dick Redding, Jeff Pfeffer, Bobby Veach, George Sisler, Rabbit Maranville
   2. MrC. Posted: May 28, 2019 at 05:32 PM (#5846259)
1916 ballot

1. Walter Johnson 11.63 WARR
2. Tris Speaker 9.30 WARR
3. Ty Cobb 8.75 WARR
4. Reb Russell 8.55 WARR
5. Babe Ruth 8.53 WARR Excellent pitching performance but with his ability as a hitter, he probably should become a position player some day .
6. Harry Coveleski 7.72 WARR
7. Art Fletcher 7.36 His fielding skills allowed him to rise to the top of a rather poor hitting NL position player group
8. Pete Alexander 7.22 WARR
9. Max Carey 6.71 WARR
10. Burt Shotton 6.44 WARR

Rest of the top 15
Joe Williams
Bobby Veach
John Henry Lloyd
Bob Shawkey
Zack Wheat
   3. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: May 28, 2019 at 08:20 PM (#5846285)
1916 MMP Ballot:

1) Pete Alexander (25.75)
2) Tris Speaker (24.60) - AL MMP
3) Walter Johnson (22.94) - AL MMPitcher
4) Ty Cobb (22.45)
5) Babe Ruth (21.34)
6) Art Fletcher (18.18) - NL MMPosition Player
7) Pop Lloyd (17.90) - NgL MMP
8) Eddie Collins (15.69)
9) Joe Jackson (15.14)
10) Joe Williams (14.63) - NgL MMPitcher

11-15) Louis Santop, Zack Wheat, Cristobal Torriente, Jeff Pfeffer, Harry Coveleski

1916 All-Star Team:
c- Louis Santop
1b- Bill Pettus
2b- Eddie Collins
3b- Rogers Hornsby
ss- Art Fletcher
lf- Joe Jackson
cf- Tris Speaker
rf- Dave Robertson
sp- Pete Alexander, Walter Johnson, Babe Ruth, Joe Williams
   4. Qufini Posted: June 04, 2019 at 01:03 PM (#5848232)
1916 Ballot

1. Pete Alexander, P, Philadelphia Phillies
2. Walter Johnson, P, Washington Senators
3. Tris Speaker, CF, Cleveland Indians
4. Babe Ruth, P/RF, Boston Red Sox
5. Ty Cobb, CF, Detroit Tigers
6. John Henry Lloyd, SS, Chicago American Giants
7. Harry Coveleski, P, Detroit Tigers
8. Jeff Pfeffer, P, Brooklyn Robins
9. Zack Wheat, LF, Brooklyn Robins
10. Rogers Hornsby, 3B/SS, St. Louis Cardinals

11. Shoeless Joe Jackson, RF
12. Eppa Rixey, P
13. Pete Hill, CF
14. Hippo Vaughn, P
15. Art Fletcher, SS

no comments this time due to hand injury
   5. caiman Posted: June 04, 2019 at 02:49 PM (#5848306)
Here's the RPA top players, per runs produced above the median:

1. Tris Speaker 56.30 runs
2. Ty Cobb 45.94 runs
3. Walter Johnson 35.67 runs
4. Gavvy Cravath 35.63 runs
5. Reb Russell 33.37 runs
6. Zack Wheat 29.33 runs
7. Benny Kauff 28.10 runs
8. Burt Shotton 27.98 runs
9. Shoeless Joe Jackson 27.85 runs
10. Hippo Vaughn 26.96 runs
11. Rogers Hornsby 26.13 runs
12. Bob Shawkey 25.54 runs
   6. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 04, 2019 at 08:38 PM (#5848480)
Official 1916 MMP Ballot (no postseason bonuses and a 3% deduction for NL players):

1) Smokey Joe Williams: Best pro/NeL player and pitcher.
2) Tris Speaker: Best ML player and center fielder.
3) Pete Alexander: Best ML pitcher.
4) Ty Cobb: Best Georgia Peach.
5) John Henry Lloyd: Best pro/NeL shortstop.
6) Cannonball Dick Redding:
7) Walter Johnson: Best AL pitcher.
8) Cristóbal Torriente: Best NeL center fielder.
9) Babe Ruth: Best-hitting pitcher.
10) Shoeless Joe Jackson: Best ML left fielder.

PS I can't think of any other MMP election with 10 better seasons than this one.
   7. bjhanke Posted: June 05, 2019 at 01:23 AM (#5848551)
This is Brock Hanke’s ballot for 1916. A weird ballot. The consensus of Win Shares and WAR was VERY strong; I had a four-way tie for second place. This is actually too much consensus, as it forces me to make more subjective decisions than I really want to do. Over in Negro ball, Smokey Joe Williams is coming off his peak, and is not the force that he had been; Dick Redding will start to be the pitcher I will consider for the next couple of years. Pop Lloyd is just starting to enter his decline phase, but it’s like dealing with Honus Wagner or Ty Cobb. It takes a position player of enormous quality a little longer to start seriously declining than it takes mortal men. So, anyway, here’s the ballot:

1. Pete Alexander
2. Babe Ruth
3. Tris Speaker
4. Ty Cobb
5. Walter Johnson
6. Pop Lloyd
7. Shoeless Joe Jackson
8. Eddie Collins
9. Jeff Pfeffer
10. Rabbit Maranville
   8. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: June 05, 2019 at 09:52 AM (#5848590)
Final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Pennant-contender

1. Alexander--what an amazing peak
2. Speaker--just edges Cobb for top MMP position player
3. Cobb--slight gap to #4
4. Ruth--I give him a slight edge over Johnson only due to his bat
5. W Johnson--top AL pitcher but behind Ruth overall
6. J Jackson
7. Joe Williams--top non-MLB player
8. Wheat--top NL position player
9. Pfeffer--just over Coveleski

Number 11 would be Pop Lloyd
   9. DL from MN Posted: June 05, 2019 at 10:25 AM (#5848600)
Tubbs - Please confirm Harry Coveleski, not Stan

Also I'm not intending to count caiman's entry since he does not consider Negro League players
   10. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: June 05, 2019 at 11:08 AM (#5848616)
DL, my apologies it was for Harry. It's interesting how as Harry's career fell off a cliff, Stan's got going

Caiman's ballot always intrigues me but I'm shocked to not see Alexander included on it

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