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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Friday, May 03, 2019Most Meritorious Player: 1916 DiscussionThe Red Sox defeated the Brooklyn Robins in the World Series four games to one. The Indianapolis ABC’s defeated the Chicago American Giants for the Colored Champion of the West. The Lincoln Stars were probably the best team in the East. Vote for 10. Player SH WS BBR WAR Tris Speaker 40.7 8.6 Ty Cobb 42.4 8.0 Zack Wheat 30.9 6.0 Eddie Collins 31.6 7.0 Joe Jackson 34.0 7.0 Art Fletcher 24.2 6.3 Heinie Groh 23.5 5.3 Max Carey 27.1 5.1 George Sisler 24.4 5.1 (includes pitching) Bobby Veach 27.6 5.0 Rabbit Maranville 27.6 5.3 Burt Shotton 26.5 4.8 Hal Chase 21.6 4.2 Del Pratt 23.0 4.8 Larry Doyle 20.8 3.9 Cy Williams 19.2 4.1 Jake Daubert 20.8 4.1 Rogers Hornsby 27.3 4.9 Buck Herzog 20.2 3.4 Bill Hinchman 25.0 4.2 Honus Wagner 16.9 2.6 Gavy Cravath 24.3 3.5 Benny Kauff 27.0 4.0 Amos Strunk 22.5 5.6 Happy Felsch 24.1 4.2 Ossie Vitt 20.7 3.3 Harry Hooper 26.4 4.0 Dave Robertson 23.7 4.1 Dave Bancroft 19.2 3.2 Ed Konetchy 24.8 3.7 Heinie Zimmerman 18.9 3.9 George Burns 25.3 3.2 Larry Gardner 26.0 4.7 Mike Mowrey 17.3 2.7 Roger Peckinpaugh 20.7 4.4 Wally Pipp 19.7 4.2 Frank Baker 16.9 3.6 Wally Schang 12.5 3.6 Ivey Wingo 8.1 3.5 Ray Schalk 16.9 3.2 Hank Gowdy 16.3 3.2 Dode Paskert 26.3 3.3 Cristobal Torriente 16.3 2.2 Ben Taylor 5.2 0.6 John Henry Lloyd 17.4 4.2 Pete Hill 16.0 3.6 Louis Santop 8.2 2.5 Eustaquio Pedroso 12.2 2.5 Candy Jim Taylor 7.3 1.9 Pitcher SH WS BBR WAR Pete Alexander 43.4 12.0 Walter Johnson 34.4 10.8 Babe Ruth 35.9 10.4 Jeff Pfeffer 30.7 7.3 Hippo Vaughn 21.8 5.8 Joe Bush 7.6 5.0 Bob Shawkey 26.1 6.3 Wilbur Cooper 18.3 5.9 Harry Coveleski 25.8 7.0 Harry Harper 18.3 5.0 Slim Sallee 14.0 3.3 Carl Mays 21.6 5.4 Dick Rudolph 21.8 3.9 Eppa Rixey 24.8 4.3 Dutch Leonard 22.1 5.3 Rube Marquard 19.8 4.4 Carl Weilman 19.2 4.8 Fred Toney 18.4 3.6 Joe Williams 8.6 2.9 Dick Redding 7.7 2.1 Dizzy Dismukes 8.1 0.5 Frank Wickware 11.6 1.5 Juan Padron 19.3 9.4 |
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1. DL from MN Posted: May 03, 2019 at 02:04 PM (#5837968)1) Pete Alexander - sustained excellence with almost 400 innings
2) Tris Speaker - best bat
3) Joe Williams - great rate stats this season, good bat too
4) Ty Cobb
5) Walter Johnson
6) Louis Santop - best rate production for hitting in his career is 1916-1918 (ages 27-29). Best catcher by a huge margin.
7) Babe Ruth - expect this won't be his only time on my ballot
8) Zack Wheat
9) Heinie Groh - good glove for Wheat and Groh
10) Eddie Collins
11-15) Joe Jackson, Juan Padron, Art Fletcher, John Henry Lloyd, Cristobal Torriente
16-21) Max Carey, Dick Redding, Jeff Pfeffer, Bobby Veach, George Sisler, Rabbit Maranville
Moore and Rogan are with the Wreckers at this time
1. Walter Johnson 11.63 WARR
2. Tris Speaker 9.30 WARR
3. Ty Cobb 8.75 WARR
4. Reb Russell 8.55 WARR
5. Babe Ruth 8.53 WARR Excellent pitching performance but with his ability as a hitter, he probably should become a position player some day .
6. Harry Coveleski 7.72 WARR
7. Art Fletcher 7.36 His fielding skills allowed him to rise to the top of a rather poor hitting NL position player group
8. Pete Alexander 7.22 WARR
9. Max Carey 6.71 WARR
10. Burt Shotton 6.44 WARR
Rest of the top 15
Joe Williams
Bobby Veach
John Henry Lloyd
Bob Shawkey
Zack Wheat
Comment: The obvious outlier in this ballot is Reb Russell. i have been using Michael Humphreys' DIPS formula to calculate RAA for the pitchers in these years to try to mitigate the influence of the poorer defenses of pitcher evaluation. for the most part, this method has given results which place the best pitchers in approx the same order as other methods. However, with Russell, the DIPS method efected his placement more the most pitchers.
Also baseball reference uses a 3 year park factor number (which is 98 for the White Sox); whereas I believe that a one year park factor is more appropriate for this project (which is 107 for the White Sox). This fact also had a positive effect on his placement.
1913 Walter Johnson 22.6
1985 Gooden 21.5
1995 Maddux 21.4
1972 Carlton 21.2
1994 Maddux 20.6
1997 Clemens 19.9
1968 Gibson 19.5
2000 P Martinez 19.5
2009 Greinke 19.1
1902 Waddell 19.1
1912 W Johnson 19.1
1944 Trout 19.0
1945 Newhouser 18.8
1963 Koufax 18.7
1946 Feller 18.6
1972 Seaver 18.3
2004 Santana 18.2
1971 Seaver 18.0
1999 P Martinez 18.0
1971 Wood 17.9
2015 Greinke 17.9
1901 Young 17.8
1916 Alexander 17.8
1978 Guidry 17.7
1972 Perry 17.7
1995 R Johnson 17.7
1980 Carlton 17.5
1953 Roberts 17.5
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