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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Thursday, June 06, 2019Most Meritorious Player: 1917 DiscussionThe Chicago White Sox defeated the New York Giants in the World Series four games to two. As the season went on many players enlisted in military service for World War I. John Thorn lists 76 players enlisted in 1917. The “Colored Championship” exhibition featured the Chicago American Giants and the New York Lincoln Stars despite the fact that the New York Lincoln Giants were the best team in the East. Vote for 10. Player SH WS BBR WAR Ty Cobb 46.8 11.3 Rogers Hornsby 37.0 9.9 Tris Speaker 37.2 7.7 Heinie Groh 35.3 7.0 Ray Chapman 31.6 7.8 George Burns 34.5 6.1 Bobby Veach 30.2 6.6 Art Fletcher 26.9 7.4 Eddie Collins 31.8 5.0 Max Carey 23.5 5.1 George Sisler 28.8 5.8 Rabbit Maranville 22.9 4.5 Heinie Zimmerman 26.0 5.3 Joe Jackson 28.9 5.8 Benny Kauff 30.8 4.7 Gavy Cravath 25.7 4.4 Happy Felsch 29.8 4.7 Edd Roush 29.3 4.9 Duffy Lewis 24.0 3.9 Roger Peckinpaugh 20.6 4.0 Donie Bush 21.5 3.6 Dave Bancroft 18.3 3.4 Braggo Roth 20.6 4.1 Casey Stengel 20.5 2.7 Ping Bodie 20.6 3.9 Ray Schalk 19.7 3.7 Wally Schang 12.8 3.6 Frank Baker 21.5 4.5 Jack Smith 21.8 3.0 Harry Hooper 23.4 3.2 Walton Cruise 23.5 3.0 Larry Gardner 19.1 4.0 Sam Rice 23.8 3.7 John Henry Lloyd 17.8 4.4 Louis Santop 4.5 1.4 Pete Hill 14.7 3.7 Ben Taylor 8.8 2.4 Oscar Charleston 8.3 1.9 Bill Pettus 3.8 0.8 John Donaldson 3.4 1.8 Candy Jim Taylor 7.6 1.6 Dick Lundy 1.0 Leroy Grant 11.2 1.6 Cristobal Torriente 3.1 0.5 Jose Mendez 2.6 -0.1 Pitcher SH WS BBR WAR Pete Alexander 37.8 9.8 Eddie Cicotte 35.0 11.5 Jim Bagby 30.9 8.6 Stan Coveleski 28.5 7.6 Walter Johnson 27.8 8.0 Babe Ruth 35.0 8.6 Hippo Vaughn 23.8 6.3 Wilbur Cooper 20.5 7.4 Carl Mays 28.4 6.6 Leon Cadore 19.9 5.5 Ferdie Schupp 22.2 5.0 Jeff Pfeffer 18.4 4.6 Bob Shawkey 16.3 4.1 Ray Caldwell 17.0 3.7 Lefty Tyler 16.7 3.6 Reb Russell 17.7 4.2 Dutch Leonard 21.9 4.4 Fred Toney 20.8 3.4 Joe Williams 18.9 4.8 Dick Redding 17.2 4.1 Juan Padron 11.3 5.8 Jose Junco 8.6 4.1 String Bean Williams 12.8 3.7 |
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1. DL from MN Posted: June 06, 2019 at 05:19 PM (#5849213)1) Ty Cobb - this is a monster season
2) Joe Williams - Best pitcher
3) Pete Alexander - 388 IP
4) Heinie Groh - almost as good at bat as Hornsby with a lot more glove
5) Rogers Hornsby
6) Tris Speaker - 2nd best bat
7) Ray Chapman
8) Eddie Cicotte
9) Louis Santop - one of his best seasons hitting
10) Dick Redding
11-15) John Henry Lloyd, George Burns, Jim Bagby, Bobby Veach, Art Fletcher
16-19) Stan Coveleski, Eddie Collins, Walter Johnson, Babe Ruth
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/yearly/yr1917a.shtml
Speaker was ultimately suspended 3 games for pushing an umpire to the ground. There is a well written description in this book:
https://epdf.pub/tris-speaker-the-rough-and-tumble-life-of-a-baseball-legend.html
The book says the suspension was in April - the August 28 suspension was in 1918 for punching an umpire.
http://www.thisgreatgame.com/1917-baseball-history.html
http://www.thisgreatgame.com/1917-baseball-history.html
I agree that this legend seems false. Cicotte pitched 9/16, 9/19, 9/25 and 9/29 with win 28 coming on 9/29. There was only one game remaining in the season at that point.
https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/1f272b1a
1. Ty Cobb. 13.41 WARR
2. Eddie Cicotte 10.67 WARR
3. Pete Alexander 10.35 WARR
4. Walter Johnson 9.42 WARR
5. Rogers Hornsby 9.29 WARR
6. Art Fletcher 8.49 WARR
7. Ray Chapman 8.39 WARR
8. Bobby Veach 8.33 WARR
9. Tris Speaker 8.17 WARR
10. Joe Williams 7.46 WARR
Rest of the top 15
11. Stan Coveleski
12. John Donaldson
13. Heinie Groh
14. Babe Ruth
15. George Burns
For comparison
Not sure why Donaldson rates higher on the MLE. It looks like Redding and Williams are clearly the top pitchers in the NGL.
On the Cicotte issue, I would not make a deduction. Cicotte did not play in a ballpark that severely distorted pitching stats towards lefties or righties. Doctored baseballs were completely legal in 1917, although Ban Johnson had specifically outlawed the emery ball in 1915. I think you might take a deduction on the "grandfather clause" pitchers after 1920, who were allowed to keep doctoring balls because they were central to their pitching, even though it was illegal for anyone else. Every pitcher had a legal right to doctor balls in Cicotte's time. Only a sixteenth of all players were allowed to play their home games in the Baker Bowl. It's not really the same. But only a few pitchers were allowed to keep doctoring balls after 1920. That's much more like the Baker Bowl.
1. Ty Cobb 66.70 runs
2. Stan Coveleski 41.65 runs
3. Bobby Veach 38.84 runs
4. George Burns 37.42 runs
5. Heinie Groh 37.11 runs
6. Pete Alexander 35.01 runs
7. Edd Roush 34.70 runs
8. Babe Ruth 34.09 runs (28.08 pitching + 6.01 hitting)
9. Eddie Cicotte 33.28 runs
10. Rogers Hornsby 32.88 runs
11. Shoeless Joe Jackson 31.84 runs
12. Benny Kauff 31.45 runs
13. Jim Bagby 29.44 runs
14. George Sisler 29.12 runs
15. Eddie Collins 28.95 runs
16. Tris Speaker 28.46 runs
17. Gavvy Cravath 25.59 runs
1. Ty Cobb, CF, Detroit Tigers: a dominant season for the Georgia Peach
2. Rogers Hornsby, SS, St. Louis Cardinals: leads the NL with 169 OPS+; adds +18 fielding
3. Cannonball Dick Redding, P, Chicago American Giants: edges Cicotte as top pitcher with 265 ERA+ in 153 innings
4. Eddie Cicotte, P, Chicago White Sox: leads AL with 174 ERA+ and 346 IP
5. Pete Alexander, P, Philadelphia Phillies: 388 IP leads NL; 154 ERA+ is 2nd
6. Tris Speaker, CF, Cleveland Indians: 2nd in AL with 172 OPS+ and 108 RC
7. John Henry Lloyd, SS, Chicago American Giants: 175 OPS+ as a shortstop
8. Stan Coveleski, P, Cleveland Indians: 2nd in AL with 156 ERA+
9. Heinie Groh, 3B, Cincinnati Reds: 148 OPS+ and +3 fielding at the hot corner
10. Smoky Joe Williams, P, New York Lincoln Giants: similar rate as Redding with 263 ERA+ but only 101 IP in league play
11. Jim Bagby, P, Cleveland Indians
12. Hippo Vaughn, P, Chicago Cubs
13. Ray Chapman, SS, Cleveland Indians
14. Bobby Veach, LF, Detroit Tigers
15. Carl Mays, P, Boston Red Sox
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