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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Monday, August 26, 2019Most Meritorious Player: 1919 BallotFor 1919 each voter should rank the top 10 players from all leagues combined. Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 4 September 2019. Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 3 September 2019. |
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1. DL from MN Posted: August 27, 2019 at 12:15 PM (#5874768)1) Babe Ruth - tops the list as a position player or a pitcher due to lapping the field in HR
2) Walter Johnson - another top season, top 20 of all the seasons in the project to date
3) Cannonball Dick Redding - best season from him
4) Dick Whitworth - best season from Whitworth also
5) Heinie Groh - solid defender, best NL position player
6) Pete Alexander - best NL pitcher
7) Bobby Veach - good bat, good fielder too, still not Ruth
8) George J Burns - the NL Bobby Veach
9) Hippo Vaughn - another great year for pitchers
10) Edd Roush - small postseason bonus, though I'm not exactly sure what to do with this postseason
11-15) Eddie Cicotte, Roger Peckinpaugh, Eddie Collins, Ty Cobb, George Sisler
16-18) Rogers Hornsby, Tris Speaker, Oscar Charleston
1. Walter Johnson 10.16 WARR
2. Dick Whitworth 10.13 WARR
3. Bobby Veach 9.32 WARR.
4. Eddie Cicotte 9.26 WARR
5. Babe Adams 8.18 WARR
6. Pete Alexander 7.92 WARR
7. Babe Ruth 7.75 WARR
8. Roger Peckinpaugh 7.18 WARR
9. Tris Speaker 7.14 WARR
10 Dick Redding 7.05 WARR
Rest of the top 15
11. Art Fletcher
12. John Donaldson
13. George Burns (NL)
14. George Sisler
15. Del Pratt
1. Babe Ruth
2. Walter Johnson
3. Eddie Cicotte
4. Oscar Charleston
5. Bobby Veach
6. Hippo Vaughn
7. Shoeless Joe
8. Pete Alexander
9. Ty Cobb
10. Stan Covaleski
1. Babe Ruth (29.68)
2. Dick Whitworth (26.98) - NgL MMP
3. Walter Johnson (25.32) - AL MMPitcher
4. Eddie Cicotte (23.16)
5. Dick Redding (20.99)
6. John Donaldson (20.72)
7. Pete Alexander (19.20) - NL MMP
8. Hippo Vaughn (16.80)
9. Rogers Hornsby (16.68) - NL MMPositon Player
10. Stan Coveleski (15.80)
11-15. Oscar Charleston (NgL MMPosition Player), Babe Adams, Bobby Veach, George Sisler, Heinie Groh.
Made some changes from Preliminary ballot
1. Babe Ruth
2. Walter Johnson
3. Eddie Cicotte
4. Bobby Veach
5. George Sisler
6. Dick Redding
7. Ty Cobb
8. Rogers Hornsby
9. Dick Whitworth
10.Pete Alexander
1. Babe Ruth, RF/P, Boston Red Sox: 1st place even before I include his pitching credit
2. Oscar Charleston, CF, Chicago American Giants: one of the greatest seasons in NgL history, with a 235 OPS+ and +9 fielding runs
3. Walter Johnson, P, Washington Senators: ho-hum, just another season with a 215 ERA+ in 290 IP
4. Eddie Cicotte, P, Chicago White Sox: a wonderful regular season followed by a suspiciously poor postseason
5. Cristobal Torriente, LF, Chicago American Giants: another legend having an outstanding season with a 194 OPS+
6. Hippo Vaughn, P, Chicago Cubs: another Chicago player, now with an NL best 306 IP and 160 ERA+
7. Dick Redding, P, Brooklyn/Atlantic City: a 233 ERA+ to go with a war-shortened 96 IP
8. Ty Cobb, CF, Detroit Tigers: 166 OPS+ and 109 runs created
9. Bobby Veach, LF, Detroit Tigers: 158 OPS+ and 109 runs created
10. Rogers Hornsby, UT, St. Louis Cardinals: top position player in the NL
11. Joe Jackson, Chicago White Sox
12. George Sisler, St. Louis Browns
13. Pete Alexander, P, Chicago Cubs
14. Babe Adams, P, Pittsburgh Pirates
15. Schang/Groh
1. Babe Ruth 78.72 runs
2. Eddie Cicotte 39.27 runs
3. Walter Johnson 39.02 runs
4. Ty Cobb 38.35 runs
5. Babe Adams 36.33 runs
6. Bobby Veach 34.45 runs
7. Rogers Hornsby 32.08 runs
8. Shoeless Joe Jackson 31.31 runs
9. George Sisler 31.10 runs
10. George Burns 28.44 runs
11. Pete Alexander 26.13 runs
12. Gavvy Cravath 25.21 runs
1) Babe Ruth: ML player and left fielder - IMO, no one close to him outside of the Negro Leagues.
2) Smokey Joe Williams: Best ML/NeL pitcher and NeL player by a ton.
3) Oscar Charleston: Best NeL position player and ML/NeL center fielder.
4) Walter Johnson: Best AL pitcher.
5) Ed Cicotte: Best crooked pitcher.
6) Hippo Vaughn: Best NL pitcher and player.
7) Ty Cobb: Best AL center fielder.
8) Pete Alexander: Best pitcher named Grover.
9) Edd Roush: Best NL center fielder.
10) Shoeless Joe Jackson: Best crooked left fielder.
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