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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Monday, November 25, 2019Most Meritorious Player: 1922 DiscussionThe US Supreme Court declared that baseball games are not interstate commerce and are exempt from anti-trust laws. Babe Ruth was suspended for illegal barnstorming until May 20. The Giants beat the Yankees in 5 games where one was declared a tie (4-0-1). All World Series games are played at the Polo Grounds. The Chicago American Giants and Indianapolis ABCs are the top teams in the Negro National League. Vote for 10. Player SH WS BBR WAR Rogers Hornsby 47.2 10.0 Ken Williams 30.0 8.7 George Sisler 29.4 7.9 Babe Ruth 28.2 6.3 Ty Cobb 28.9 6.7 Tris Speaker 29.9 6.9 Bob O'Farrell 25.6 5.9 Ray Grimes 28.0 5.6 Dave Bancroft 27.5 6.0 Max Carey 28.9 5.1 Charlie Hollocher 23.8 4.9 Harry Heilmann 24.0 5.4 Rabbit Maranville 22.4 1.5 Bobby Veach 22.5 4.9 Frankie Frisch 20.2 4.4 Ross Youngs 21.8 3.8 Carson Bigbee 23.1 4.2 Zack Wheat 26.4 4.3 Jake Daubert 23.5 4.0 Marty McManus 20.3 4.4 Joe Sewell 21.6 2.7 Irish Meusel 22.8 3.3 Ray Schalk 21.7 4.0 Wally Schang 17.6 4.2 Highpockets Kelly 20.5 3.9 Bob Meusel 20.6 3.3 Wally Pipp 21.5 4.6 Eddie Collins 22.2 3.9 Harry Hooper 21.1 3.7 Earl Sheely 19.2 3.9 Baby Doll Jacobson 19.7 3.9 Tillie Walker 21.9 3.6 Curt Walker 16.3 3.9 Bing Miller 21.5 4.2 Pat Duncan 21.2 2.7 Oscar Charleston 26.8 Cristobal Torriente 11.2 Alejandro Oms 3.9 John Beckwith 17.4 Biz Mackey 17.3 Hurley McNair 17.2 Ben Taylor 16.4 Heavy Johnson 14.9 Charlie Blackwell 12.1 Jimmie Lyons 7.1 John Henry Lloyd 5.8 Jud Wilson 7.6 Dobie Moore 13.0 Frank Warfield 7.4 Louis Santop 7.7 Dick Lundy 2.0 Edgar Wesley 13.1 Bill Pettus 12.3 Pitcher SH WS BBR WAR Red Faber 30.9 9.2 Wilbur Cooper 25.9 7.5 Eddie Rommel 26.8 7.0 Urban Shocker 27.3 7.2 Bob Shawkey 27.8 6.8 Dutch Ruether 20.6 5.1 Walter Johnson 21.1 5.4 Herman Pillette 21.7 5.5 Stan Coveleski 21.8 5.8 Lee Meadows 16.8 4.9 Jeff Pfeffer 20.1 4.4 Johnny Morrison 21.6 5.9 Tom Zachary 15.9 4.3 Elam Vangilder 21.1 5.6 Pete Alexander 18.8 4.2 George Uhle 20.7 5.7 Jack Quinn 19.7 4.7 Dixie Leverett 17.4 4.4 Joe Bush 25.7 4.9 Dazzy Vance 16.6 3.9 Eppa Rixey 22.8 3.7 Waite Hoyt 21.0 4.0 Sam Jones 19.7 2.5 Art Nehf 19.3 3.7 Babe Adams 12.7 4.4 Bullet Rogan 31.6 Jim Jeffries 20.0 Lewis Hampton 23.3 Juan Padron 13.2 Reuben Curry 16.1 Bill Holland 16.5 Dave Brown 12.9 Joe Williams 5.8 Bill Force 15.9 Dick Redding 11.6 Cool Papa Bell 9.1 |
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1. DL from MN Posted: November 25, 2019 at 05:25 PM (#5903852)Completed
1961-1977 +2012
1978-1988 +2013
1950-1960 +2014
1901-1911 +2015
1989-1999 +2016 (1950-1999 covered)
2000-2011 +2017 (1950-2017 covered)
1940-1949 +2018 (1940-2018 covered)
1912-1921 +2019 (1901-1921 plus 1940-2019 covered)
To-do
1922-1932 +2020 (1901-1932 plus 1940-2020 covered)
1933-1939 +2021 (1901-2021 finished in 10 years)
Alex Rodriguez - 10
Joey Votto - 8
Miguel Cabrera - 8
Clayton Kershaw - 7
Justin Verlander - 7 (soon to be 8)
Mike Trout - 7 (also will be 8)
Andrew McCutchen - 6
Andruw Jones - 6
Chase Utley - 6
Dale Murphy - 6
David Ortiz - 6
Fred McGriff - 6
Jason Giambi - 6
Lance Berkman - 6
Nomar Garciaparra - 6
Robinson Cano - 6
Todd Helton - 6
Adrian Beltre - 5
Albert Belle - 5
Buster Posey - 5
CC Sabathia - 5
Carlos Beltran - 5
Dave Concepcion - 5
David Wright - 5
Derek Jeter - 5
Joe Mauer - 5
Max Scherzer - 5
Sammy Sosa - 5
Troy Tulowitzki - 5
Bryce Harper - 1
Josh Hamilton - 2
Fred Lynn - 2
Phil Rizzuto - 2
Dwight Gooden - 2
Dizzy Trout - 2
1) Rogers Hornsby - best hitter
2) Bullet Rogan - better than he was in 1921 - improved pitching and hitting
3) Ken Williams - good glove
4) Oscar Charleston - best NGL position player
5) Red Faber - best MLB pitcher but not as good as 1921
6) George Sisler
7) Babe Ruth - getting royally screwed by the barnstorming suspension, 2nd best rate production to Hornsby
8) Dobie Moore - playing SS moves him just ahead of a crowd of players
9) Ty Cobb
10) Joe Williams - last great season
11-15) Tris Speaker, Biz Mackey, Alejandro Oms, Dick Redding, Bob O'Farrell
16-21) Andy Cooper, Heavy Johnson, Ray Grimes, Reuben Curry, Eddie Rommel, Dave Bancroft
I think the NGL MLEs need at least as strong of a standard deviation adjustment as the NL (0.91), perhaps more. There can't be that many pitchers that far above average, especially considering how regressed the MLB pitchers are. I basically did my own 90% standard deviation adjustment on those numbers.
Harper may never another year like 2015 but he's got time to improve his position on this list.
George Sisler wiki page
1. Rogers Hornsby, 2B, St. Louis Cardinals: 207 OPS+, 202 runs created, laps the field
2. George Sisler, 1B, St. Louis Browns: 170 OPS+, 163 RC and +6 fielding
3. Bullet Joe Rogan, P/CF, Kansas City Monarchs: 151 ERA+ in 202 IP and 193 OPS+
4. Oscar Charleston, CF, Indianapolis ABCs: 195 OPS+ in 467 PAs with +9 dWAR
5. Ken Williams, CF, St. Louis Browns: 164 OPS+ and 146 RC with +8 fielding
6. Red Faber, P, Chicago White Sox: 143 OPS+ with an otherworldly 352 IP
7. Urban Shocker, P, St. Louis Browns: 140 ERA+ in 348 IP to nip at Faber's heels
8. Tris Speaker, CF, Cleveland Indians: 177 OPS+ and 123 RC
9. Ty Cobb, CF, Detroit Tigers: 169 OPS+ and 131 RC
10. Babe Ruth, LF, New York Yankees: 182 OPS+ leads AL, though only in 110 games
11. Bob Shawkey, P, New York Yankees
12. Bob O'Farrell, C, Chicago Cubs
13. Ray Grimes, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals
14. Harry Heilmann, RF, Detroit Tigers
15. Wilbur Cooper, P, Pittsburgh Pirates: top pitcher in the NL
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