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Most Meritorious Player: 1925 Ballot

For 1925 each voter should rank the top 10 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 1 April 2020.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 31 March 2020.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: March 23, 2020 at 02:14 PM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: March 23, 2020 at 03:01 PM (#5932849)
1925 Ballot

1) Oscar Charleston - I am overriding the MLEs for Charleston and Beckwith, they don't make sense given the Seamheads data
2) Rogers Hornsby - best MLB player
3) Bullet Rogan - another outstanding season, best P
4) John Beckwith
5) Kiki Cuyler - postseason bonus puts him just behind Beckwith
6) Dolf Luque - best MLB pitcher
7) Pie Traynor - postseason bonus moves him up. 7-16 are pretty tightly grouped
8) Joe Sewell
9) Dave Bancroft
10) Pete Donohue

11-15) Goose Goslin, Al Simmons, Eppa Rixey, Jack Scott, Herb Pennock
16-21) Dazzy Vance, Dobie Moore, Harry Heilmann, Tris Speaker, Turkey Stearnes, Urban Shocker
   2. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 23, 2020 at 03:32 PM (#5932867)
Official 1925 MMP Ballot (no postseason bonuses and NL players are dinged 3%):

1) Oscar Charleston: Best ML/NeL player and center fielder - no one close by my analysis.
2) Bullet Rogan: Best ML/NeL pitcher - had a hard time closing between Joe and the Rajah, but I'm comfortable with my decision.
3) Rogers Hornsby: Best ML player and second baseman.
4) John Beckwith: Best ML/NeL shortstop.
5) Turkey Stearnes: Best NeL center fielder from the foul family.
6) Al Simmons: Best ML center fielder.
7) Kiki Cuyler: Kiki is the ML right field guyguy.
8) Harry Heilmann: Best ML right fielder.
9) Goose Goslin: Best ML left fielder.
10) Walter Johnson: Best ML pitcher.

Best NL pitcher: Pete Donoghue.
   3. MrC. Posted: March 28, 2020 at 05:17 PM (#5934539)
1925 Final Ballot

1. Rogers Hornsby 9.44 WARR
2. Kiki Cuyler 8.00 WARR
3. Bullet Rogan 7.96 WARR
4. Al Simmons 7.56 WARR
5. Dazzy Vance 7.51 WARR
6. Goose Goslin 6.65 WARR
7. Al Wingo 6.12 WARR
8. Walter Johnson 6.11 WARR
9. Pete Donahue 6.11 WARR
10. Dolf Luque 5.95 WARR

Rest of top 20
Jim Bottomley
Tris Speaker
Joe Sewell
Jack Fournier
Herb Pennock
Oscar Charleston
Jack Scott
Dave Bancroft
Pie Traynor
Harry Heilman



   4. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 29, 2020 at 09:41 AM (#5934680)
Best NL pitcher: Pete Donoghue.


Oops! I accidentally typed a "g" there.
   5. Doug Jones threw harder than me Posted: March 31, 2020 at 03:55 PM (#5935301)


I've never done one of these before. This is a combination of looking mostly at Win Shares, and trying to balance between the two different leagues.

1. Bullet Rogan
2. Rogers Hornsby
3. Turkey Stearns
4. Oscar Charleston
5. Dolf Luque
6. Al Simmons
7. Kiki Cuyler
8. Pete Donahue
9. Eppa Rixey
10. Nipp Winters

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   6. DL from MN Posted: March 31, 2020 at 04:07 PM (#5935305)
Ballot looks good. Explanation is okay.
   7. bjhanke Posted: April 01, 2020 at 03:03 AM (#5935413)
This is Brock Hanke’s Ballot for 1925. No essays this time. Just a ballot.

1 Rogers Hornsby
2 Bullet Rogan
3 Harry Heilmann
4 Kiki Cuyler
5 Al Simmons
6 Pete Donohue
7 Goose Goslin
8 Dolf Luque
9 Oscar Charleston
10 Walter Johnson
   8. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: April 01, 2020 at 08:40 AM (#5935441)
Final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Pennant-contender

1. Bullet Rogan --a great all around year, the small credit of playing for a Pennant-contender helped push him past Hornsby
2. Rogers Hornsby --best MLB player by far in a year with not many standout seasons
3. Oscar Charleston
4. Harry Heilmann --odd season as lots of good offensive seasons by Detroit & St Louis which didn't translate into anything close to a Pennant
5. Kiki Cuyler --a big part of Pittsburgh's Pennant run and best NL position player by a decent margin not named Hornsby
6. Al Simmons --Bucketfoot AL helps bring the A's back to relevance
7. Stan Coveleski --best MLB pitcher in a weak year for MLB hurlers, would've been higher with more innings
8. Eppa Rixey --best NL pitcher, preferred his year over Luque's
9. John Beckwith --would've been higher with more games played
10.Turkey Stearnes --edges out Fournier
   9. Qufini Posted: April 01, 2020 at 10:19 AM (#5935460)
1925 Ballot

1. Rogers Hornsby, 2B, St. Louis Cardinals: 210 OPS+ and 185 Runs Created crushes the competition
2. Oscar Charleston, CF, Harrisburg Giants: leads the Negro Leagues with a 228 OPS+
3. Turkey Stearnes, CF, Detroit Stars: 187 OPS+ in almost 100 more PA than Charleston
4. Al Simmons, LF, Philadelphia Athletics: best player in AL with 149 OPS+ and league-leading 157 RC
5. Bullet Rogan, P/CF, Kansas City Monarchs: 246 ERA+ in 181 innings
6. Kiki Cuyler, RF, Pittsburgh Pirates: 152 OPS+ and 154 RC
7. Harry Heilmann, RF, Detroit Tigers: a good year for Detroit outfielders
8. Dolf Luque, P, Cincinnati Reds: best pitcher in MLB with 156 ERA+ in 291 IP
9. Tris Speaker, CF, Cleveland Indians: 166 OPS+ is 2nd in AL
10. Jim Bottomley, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals: 148 OPS+ is 4th in NL

11. Ty Cobb, CF, Detroit Tigers: leads the AL with a 171 OPS+ in only 121 games
12. John Beckwith, SS, Birmingham Black Sox: best shortstop in baseball
13. Jack Fournier, 1B, Brooklyn Dodgers: 160 OPS+ is 2nd in NL; -7 fielding runs holds him back
14. Eppa Rixey, P, Cincinnati Reds: 142 ERA+ is 2nd in NL behind his teammate Luque
15. Goose Goslin, LF, Washington Senators
16. Pete Donohue, P, Cincinnati Reds
17. Herb Pennock, P, New York Yankees: best pitcher in the American League
18. Zack Wheat, LF, Brooklyn Dodgers
19. Stan Coveleski, P, Washington Senators
20. Al Wingo, LF, Detroit Tigers: the fourth best outfielder in Detroit
   10. Qufini Posted: April 01, 2020 at 10:20 AM (#5935461)
I've never done one of these before. This is a combination of looking mostly at Win Shares, and trying to balance between the two different leagues.
Welcome to the MMP project, Doug Jones!
   11. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: April 01, 2020 at 11:00 AM (#5935483)
1925 MMP ballot:

1. Rogers Hornsby (36.80)
2. Oscar Charleston (23.85) - NgL MMP
3. Bullet Rogan (21.08) - NgL MMPitcher
4. Kiki Cuyler (20.74)
5. John Beckwith (18.65)
6. Goose Goslin (17.44) - AL MMP
7. Walter Johnson (16.46) - AL MMPitcher
8. Tris Speaker (15.34)
9. Dolf Luque (14.87) - NL MMPitcher
10. Pete Donohue (14.86)

11-15. Dazzy Vance, Ty Cobb, Harry Heilmann, Herb Pennock, Al Simmons

1925 mWAR All-Stars:

c- Gabby Hartnett
1b - Jack Fournier
2b - Rogers Hornsby
ss - John Beckwith
3b - Pie Traynor
lf - Goose Goslin
cf - Oscar Charleston
rf - Kiki Cuyler

sp - Bullet Rogan, Walter Johnson, Dolf Luque, Pete Donohue
   12. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: April 01, 2020 at 12:19 PM (#5935511)
REVISED

Official 1925 MMP Ballot (no postseason bonuses and NL players are dinged 3%):

1) Oscar Charleston: Best ML/NeL player and center fielder - no one close by my analysis.
2) Bullet Rogan: Best ML/NeL pitcher - had a hard time closing between Joe and the Rajah, but I'm comfortable with my decision.
3) Rogers Hornsby: Best ML player and second baseman.
4) John Beckwith: Best ML/NeL shortstop.
5) Turkey Stearnes: Best NeL center fielder from the foul family.
6) Al Simmons: Best ML center fielder.
7) Kiki Cuyler: Kiki is the ML right field guyguy.
8) Harry Heilmann: Best ML right fielder.
9) Tris Speaker: Best center fielder with prematurely-gray hair.
10) Walter Johnson: Best ML pitcher.

Best NL pitcher: Pete Donoghue.
   13. DL from MN Posted: April 01, 2020 at 03:48 PM (#5935606)
Revised your ballot and still misspelled Donohue
   14. DL from MN Posted: April 01, 2020 at 04:00 PM (#5935611)
Election is over, results soon
   15. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: April 01, 2020 at 05:41 PM (#5935647)
Revised your ballot and still misspelled Donohue


Heh. That's because I cut-and-pasted my original error. :-)

Thanks, Dan!

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