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Most Meritorious Player: 1926 Discussion

The Cardinals beat the Yankees 4 games to 3 in the World Series.

The Chicago American Giants defeated the Bacharach Giants 5 games to 4 in the Colored World Series.

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Player			SH WS		BBR WAR
Babe Ruth		44.7		11.5
Joe Sewell		28.5		5.9
Paul Waner		28.7		5.3
Lou Gehrig		30.3		6.8
Goose Goslin		32.6		6.8
Johnny Mostil		28.1		6.3
Kiki Cuyler		27.6		4.6
Hack Wilson		25.7		5.2
Willie Kamm		21.7		5.1
Tris Speaker		28.0		5.4
Bibb Falk		23.9		5.6
Harry Heilmann		26.6		5.2
Al Simmons		27.6		5.1
Topper Rigney		16.5		4.6
Dave Bancroft		19.4		4.1
Pie Traynor		22.1		3.0
Heinie Manush		25.8		5.1
Curt Walker		22.3		3.9
Les Bell		25.3		4.4
Sparky Adams		20.7		4.4
Eddie Collins		17.3		4.1
Ray Blades		18.5		3.4
Frankie Frisch		20.2		4.6
George Burns		23.5		5.0
Travis Jackson		17.3		4.5
Rogers Hornsby		20.7		4.4
Bob O'Farrell		23.1		4.0
Bubbles Hargrave	17.7		3.6
Sam Rice		23.0		3.4
Jim Bottomley		22.3		3.2

Mule Suttles				6.7			
Turkey Stearnes				5.4
John Beckwith				2.2
Martin Dihigo				5.3
Biz Mackey				3.4
Cool Papa Bell				3.5
Bullet Rogan				4.0				
Dewey Creacy				4.3
Cristobal Torriente			4.3
Willie Wells				4.1
Jud Wilson				3.9
Judy Johnson				3.5
Dick Lundy				2.7
Oscar Charleston			1.3
Dobie Moore				1.4

Pitcher			SH WS		BBR WAR
Hal Carlson		23.2		8.7
George Uhle		32.2		9.2
Lefty Grove		24.7		6.6
Ray Kremer		23.4		6.5
Jesse Petty		23.7		5.0
Ted Lyons		23.1		5.8
Charlie Root		23.1		4.8
Eddie Rommell		17.1		4.3
Tom Zachary		18.2		4.4
Urban Shocker		19.0		4.9
Carl Mays		20.4		4.4
Doug McWeeny		17.0		3.6
Bob Smith		13.1		3.5
Walter Johnson		15.1		3.8
Stan Coveleski		15.1		3.7
Pete Donohue		20.4		3.2

Willie Foster				8.3
William Bell				4.7
George Harney				4.7		
Nip Winters				4.6
Willie Gisentaner			4.1
Reuben Curry				4.0
Andy Cooper				3.8
Rats Henderson				3.5
Chet Brewer				3.4			
DL from MN Posted: April 04, 2020 at 09:45 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: April 04, 2020 at 10:04 AM (#5936422)
Eric C NGL MLE's
Player Name Age Lg Pos G PA Rbat Rbaser Rdp Rfield Rpos RAA WAA Rrep RAR WAR
Jud Wilson 30 NL 3B 130 550 42 1 0 3 4 50 5.0 17 67 6.8
Dick Lundy 27 NL SS 134 570 32 0 0 5 8 44 4.5 18 62 6.4
Turkey Stearnes 25 NL CF 151 640 37 0 0 2 -4 37 3.7 20 57 5.8
Oscr Charleston 29 NL CF 146 620 36 2 0 2 -3 36 3.6 19 55 5.7
John Beckwith 26 NL 3B 134 570 35 0 0 -4 4 35 3.5 18 52 5.3
Newt Allen 25 NL 2B 148 630 1 0 0 14 4 20 2.1 20 40 4.2
Martin Dihigo 21 NL CF 111 470 22 1 0 5 -3 25 2.5 15 39 4.1
Bullet Rogan 32 NL RF 134 570 25 1 0 1 -6 21 2.1 18 39 4.0
Biz Mackey 28 NL C 113 480 18 0 0 1 3 22 2.2 15 37 3.8
George Scales 25 NL 2B 132 560 11 0 0 3 4 17 1.7 17 34 3.5
Willie Wells 20 NL SS 94 400 11 0 0 4 6 21 2.2 12 34 3.5
Mule Suttles 25 NL 1B 134 570 17 0 0 2 -6 14 1.5 18 32 3.3
Heavy Johnson 31 NL RF 120 510 17 0 0 -1 -5 11 1.1 17 28 2.9
Alejandro Oms 30 NL CF 141 600 11 0 0 -1 -3 7 0.7 21 27 2.8
Cool Papa Bell 23 NL CF 148 630 6 2 0 -1 -4 3 0.4 20 23 2.4
Ben Taylor 37 NL 1B 99 420 10 0 0 3 -4 8 0.9 13 21 2.2
Hurley McNair 37 NL RF 97 410 6 0 0 1 -4 3 0.3 13 16 1.7
Dobie Moore 30 NL SS 40 170 5 0 0 3 2 10 1.0 5 15 1.6
Crist Torriente 32 NL LF 139 590 6 1 0 -4 -6 -3 -0.3 18 15 1.6


Pitcher Name Age Lg G IP R RA9 lgRA9 RAA WAA pWAR Rrep RAR PA Rbat Rpos RAA bWAR WAR 
Bullet Rogan 32 NL 39 260 98 3.38 4.54 34 3.6 6.2 25 58 87 5 9 14 0.9 7.1
Dick Redding 36 NL 34 200 62 2.79 4.54 39 4.3 6.2 19 58 67 -3 7 4 0.2 6.4
William Bell 28 NL 34 200 69 3.11 4.54 32 3.5 5.4 19 51 67 -2 7 5 0.3 5.7
Willie Foster 22 NL 39 260 107 3.72 4.54 24 2.5 5.2 25 48 87 -7 9 1 0.1 5.3 
Joe Williams 40 NL 25 150 62 3.75 4.54 13 1.4 2.9 14 27 50 -1 5 3 0.2 3.1
Bill Holland 25 NL 39 260 130 4.48 4.54 2 0.2 2.9 25 26 87 -10 9 -2 -0.3 2.6
Webs McDonald 26 NL 34 200 95 4.29 4.54 5 0.6 2.6 19 24 67 -7 7 0 -0.1 2.5
Martin Dihigo 21 NL 17 100 42 3.79 4.54 8 0.9 1.9 9 18 33 1 3 4 0.2 2.1 

   2. DL from MN Posted: April 04, 2020 at 10:07 AM (#5936424)
NGL hitters by OPS+

Mule Suttles 248
Martin Dihigo 237
Turkey Stearnes 202
Jud Wilson 192
Jesse Hubbard 179
Willie Wells 171
Charlie Smith 170
Cristobal Torriente 170
Heavy Johnson 166
Dewey Creacy 166
John Beckwith 165
Oscar Charleston 164
Robert Hudspeth 160
Dick Lundy 150
   3. DL from MN Posted: April 04, 2020 at 10:10 AM (#5936425)
NGL Pitchers by ERA+

Willie Flournoy 192
Willie Foster 190
Hubert Lockhart 179
George Britt 158
Rats Henderson 156
Eustaquio Pedroso 155
Dick Redding 150
Chet Brewer 149
Willie Gisentaner 143
Nip Winters 141
Andy Cooper 136
William Bell 130
Bullet Rogan 100
   4. DL from MN Posted: April 04, 2020 at 11:20 AM (#5936447)
High standard deviations in both leagues this season but really high in the American League.

1926 Prelim

1) Babe Ruth - this one was easy
2) Willie Foster - best pitcher in the NGL and a down year for MLB pitchers
3) Hal Carlson - best MLB pitcher
4) Joe Sewell - great defense
5) George Uhle - best AL pitcher
6) Turkey Stearnes - best NGL position player
7) Paul Waner - great defense
8) Mule Suttles - best bat who isn't Babe Ruth
9) Dick Lundy - playing time depresses his NGL WAR above, rate stats are good
10) Lou Gehrig - best MLB hitter who isn't Ruth

11-15) Lefty Grove, Ray Kremer, Johnny Mostil, Goose Goslin, Martin Dihigo
16-20) Willie Kamm, Hack Wilson, Willie Wells, Jesse Petty, John Beckwith
21-26) Jud Wilson, Tris Speaker, Cristobal Torriente, Kiki Cuyler, William Bell, Nip Winters

Biz Mackey - best catcher
   5. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: April 05, 2020 at 06:21 PM (#5936813)
1926 Prelim:

1) Nip Winters
2) Babe Ruth
3) Mule Suttles
4) Bullet Rogan
5) Turkey Stearnes
6) George Uhle
7) Goose Goslin
8) Oscar Charleston
9) Tris Speaker
10) Joe Sewell
   6. DL from MN Posted: April 06, 2020 at 09:04 AM (#5936909)
4) Bullet Rogan


Curious about this one. His NGL stats show this as a down year. 106 ERA+, K/BB ratio way down, not even one of his best hitting seasons. Also having a really hard time seeing how Nip Winters is ahead of Babe Ruth.
   7. bjhanke Posted: April 10, 2020 at 04:12 AM (#5938161)
DL - The Yankees beat the Cardinals in 1926? I think Rogers Hornsby and Pete Alexander might want to dispute that. Heck, you'd dispute that yourself.
   8. DL from MN Posted: April 10, 2020 at 11:42 AM (#5938230)
Good catch, I think I'm just used to copying and pasting the Yankees winning
   9. bjhanke Posted: April 11, 2020 at 03:12 AM (#5938553)
Ha. I'm glad you realized that I had my tongue in cheek. Your instincts about the Yankees are pretty good there, but the Yankees have not beaten the Cardinals in the World Series since 1943, which is four years before I was even born. This is mainly because those two teams have not met very often in World Series after WWII. The other reason is Gibson, Brock, and Boyer in 1964.
   10. DL from MN Posted: April 11, 2020 at 09:52 AM (#5938572)
Foster divided each of his first three seasons between the American Giants and a southern team, registering marks of 5-2, 6-1, and 7-1 before playing his first complete season in Chicago in 1926, the year after Rube Foster yielded the managerial reins to David Malarcher. That year Foster was still in college in Tennessee in the early stages of the season.
   11. DL from MN Posted: April 11, 2020 at 09:53 AM (#5938573)
In the 1926 season he won 26 consecutive games against all levels of competition while compiling an 11-4 league record to lead the American Giants to the second half title. In the Negro National League playoffs against the Kansas City Monarchs, first-half winners, for the championship, the American Giants needed to win both games in a final-day doubleheader to capture the pennant. With the team's back to the wall, Foster started and won both ends of the doubleheader, defeating Bullet Rogan in each contest to claim the Negro National League flag.

Foster followed this with a sensational performance in the World Series against the Eastern Colored League champion Bacharach Giants. He pitched 3 complete games while relieving in another, getting 2 victories, including a shutout, and compiling a 1.27 ERA.


From the NLB E Museum

Source: James A. Riley, The Biographical Encyclopedia of the Negro Baseball Leagues, New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1994.
   12. bjhanke Posted: April 25, 2020 at 02:17 PM (#5944242)
I am having EXTREME trouble with the internet right now. It's slow as molasses, probably because everyone is staying home with extra time on their hands and an internet connection. Anyway, I DID manage to get to here with actual posting privileges (also a problem), so I'm going to post my 1926 ballot now, and ask DL to transfer it to the Ballot Thread when it opens. I also have an essay about Rogers Hornsby to post up, but it's not quite done yet, and I'm afraid to get off the internet to finish it before I post my ballot. So, here is my 1926 ballot, with no comments:

1. Babe Ruth
2. George Uhle
3. Goose Goslin
4. Lou Gehrig
5. Joe Sewell
7. Willlie Foster
8. Paul Waner
9. Tris Speaker
10. Lefty Grove.
   13. DL from MN Posted: April 27, 2020 at 04:13 PM (#5945116)
Brock - who is number 6? <cue Patrick McGoohan>
   14. DL from MN Posted: April 28, 2020 at 01:00 PM (#5945455)
In the 1926 Colored World Series, the Chicago American Giants, champions of the Negro National League (1920–1931), beat the Bacharach Giants of Atlantic City, New Jersey, champions of the Eastern Colored League, five games to four. Red Grier of the Bacharach Giants pitched a no-hitter in Game 3.[1]


Grier allowed six walks and struck out eight.
   15. DL from MN Posted: April 28, 2020 at 01:01 PM (#5945456)
The Chicago American Giants were led to the World Series by the hitting of Jim Brown (.333), Jelly Gardner (.329) and Sandy Thompson (.312). Webster McDonald (11-4), Bill Foster (11-5) and George Harney (11-6) anchored the pitching staff for Chicago. Atlantic City’s strength was the pitching of Red Grier (25-12) and Rats Henderson (15-8). Red Farrell (.348), Dick Lundy (.320) and Oliver Marcelle (.288) were the Bacharach Giants leading hitters during the season.

The highlight of the series was game 3 in Baltimore when Red Grier (Atlantic City Bacharach Giants) pitched the first and only no-hitter in the history of the Negro League World Series. The most amazing part of the feat was the fact that Grier had pitched the day before, had been hit hard by Chicago and had been knocked out of the game in the sixth inning.

The drama of the 3rd Negro League World Series came down to the 11th and final game (two games had ended in ties). The Chicago American Giants had come back from being down four games to two to force the 11th game. The final game of the series was a master piece with Chicago ace Bill Foster facing off against Hubert Lockhart. Going into the bottom of the ninth inning the game was still tied 0-0, when Jelly Gardner (Chicago) singled. Dave Malacher sacrificed to move Gardner to second. The next batter up Sam Thompson lined a ball to centerfield that got away from Chaney White, allowing Jelly Gardner to race home for the winning run and the World Series title for the Chicago American Giants.
   16. DL from MN Posted: April 28, 2020 at 01:02 PM (#5945457)
Top Hitters for the Series:

Chicago American Giants – Stanford Jackson (.314), Johnny Hines (.294) and George Sweat (.257) Atlantic City – Ambrose Reid (.400), Oliver Marcelle (.333), Chance Cumming (.310), Dick Lundy (.306) and Ed “Yump” Jones (.281)

Leading Pitchers for the Series:

Chicago American Giants - Bill Foster (2-0 w/ 2.57 ERA) and Willie Powell (1-1 w/ 3.10 ERA) Atlantic City - Rats Henderson (1-1 w/ 2.30 ERA) and Red Grier (2-2 w/ 5.53 ERA)

   17. DL from MN Posted: April 28, 2020 at 01:03 PM (#5945458)
Is Bill Foster inducted HoM as Bill or Willie?
   18. DL from MN Posted: April 28, 2020 at 01:10 PM (#5945462)
1926 World Series
Player Name G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SB CS E WPA
Les Bell 7 27 4 7 1 0 1 6 2 5 .259 .310 .407 .718 0 2 2 -0.17 

Lou Gehrig  7 23 1 8 2 0 0 4 5 4 .348 .464 .435 .899 0 0 0 0.17
Babe Ruth  7 20 6 6 0 0 4 5 11 2 .300 .548 .900 1.448 1 1 0 0.37

Pitcher Name G GS ERA W L SV CG IP H R ER BB SO WHIP WPA 
Pete Alexander 3 2 1.33 2 0 1 2 20.1 12 4 3 4 17 0.787 1.03

Herb Pennock 3 2 1.23 2 0  0 2 22.0 13 3 3 4 8 0.773 1.26
Urban Shocker 2 1 5.87 0 1 0 0 7.2 13 7 5 0 3 1.696 -0.26

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