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Most Meritorious Player: 1929 Ballot

For 1929 each voter should rank the top 10 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 5 August 2020. Please let me know if you want your preliminary ballot counted as your final ballot.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 4 August 2020.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: July 24, 2020 at 03:27 PM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: July 24, 2020 at 03:51 PM (#5965399)
1929 Ballot

1) Rogers Hornsby - this one is easy, best bat
2) Jimmie Foxx - outstanding postseason moves him up
3) Al Simmons - postseason bonus
4) Mel Ott
5) Willie Wells - best NGL player
6) Lefty O'Doul
7) Babe Ruth
8) Chet Brewer - good hitting season moves him up. Best pitcher.
9) Martin Dihigo - pitching and utility play was terrific
10) Tony Lazzeri - positional bonus helps him edge out his teammate Gehrig

11-15) Lou Gehrig, Red Lucas, Charlie Gehringer, Mickey Cochrane, Willis Hudlin
16-20) Firpo Marberry, Lefty Grove, Newt Allen, Paul Waner, Turkey Stearnes
   2. MrC. Posted: July 26, 2020 at 11:10 AM (#5965789)
1929 ballot

1. Rogers Hornsby 10.41 WARR
2. Mel Ott 8.22 WARR
3. Babe Ruth 7.20 WARR
4. Charlie Smith 7.06 WARR
5. Al Simmons 6.94 WARR
6. Lefty O'Doul 6.81 WARR
7. Jimmie Foxx 6.76 WARR
8. Willie Wells 6.74 WARR
9. Firpo Marberry 6.48 WARR
10. Lefty Grove 6.44 WARR

Rest of the top 20
11. Lou Gehrig
12. Tony Lazzeri
13. Red Lucas
14. Chet Brewer
15. George Uhle
16. Kiki Cuyler
17. Connie Rector
18. Rap Dixon
19. Watty Clark
20.John Williams
   3. Yardape Posted: July 29, 2020 at 04:24 PM (#5966714)
My ballot. The only change from the prelim is Chino Smith. I went back and read his HoM thread, and then looked closer at his park effect for this year. It appears to be pretty strong, so he falls behind the top ML players.

1. Rogers Hornsby
2. Willie Wells
3. Mel Ott
4. Jimmie Foxx
5. Al Simmons
6. Charlie "Chino" Smith
7. Rap Dixon
8. Hack Wilson
9. Lefty Grove
10. Babe Ruth

Next five: Chet Brewer, Martin Dihigo, Mickey Cochrane, Lefty O'Doul, Tony Lazzeri
Best NL pitcher: Pat Malone
   4. Qufini Posted: July 31, 2020 at 07:25 AM (#5967069)
1929 Ballot

I love these seasons when multpile all-time greats break out at the same time. Ballot debuts for Mel Ott and Jimmie Foxx.

1. Rogers Hornsby, 2B, Chicago Cubs: 178 OPS+ and 188 RC, great defensively this year as well
2. Lefty O'Doul, LF, Philadelphia Phillies: 161 OPS+ and 183 RC
3. Babe Ruth, RF/LF, New York Yankees: 193 OPS+ leads majors but 148 RC trails the NL guys by a wide margin
4. Mel Ott, RF, New York Giants: 165 OPS+ and 154 RC
5. Jimmie Foxx, 1B, Philadelphia Athletics: 173 OPS+ and tied for AL lead with 148 RC
6. Willie Wells, SS, St. Louis Stars: top Negro League player with 188 OPS+ at SS
7. Al Simmons, LF, Philadelphia Athletics: 159 OPS+ and +16 fielding after shifting to LF from CF
8. Tony Lazzeri, 2B, New York Yankees: 160 OPS+ and +3 fielding
9. Hack Wilson, CF, Chicago Cubs: 155 OPS+ and 150 RC
10. Charlie Smith, RF, New York Lincoln Giants: 228 OPS+ and +9 fielding

11. Chuck Klein, RF, Philadelphia Athletics
12. Lou Gehrig, 1B, New York Yankees
13. Babe Herman, RF, Brooklyn Robins
14. Charlie Gehringer, 2B, Detroit Tigers
15. Chet Brewer, P, Kansas City Monarchs: top pitcher with 221 ERA+ in 149 recorded innings
16. Lefty Grove, P, Philadelphia Athletics: top pitcher in MLB
17. Rap Dixon, LF, Baltimore Black Sox
18. Dale Alexander, 1B, Detroit Tigers
19. Travis Jackson, SS, New York Giants
20. Chick Hafey, LF, St. Louis Cardinals

I have Burleigh Grimes as my top NL pitcher at #24 overall.
   5. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: August 04, 2020 at 07:44 PM (#5967903)
Final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Pennant-contender

1. Rogers Hornsby -last great season by Hornsby
2. Babe Ruth
3. Jimmie Foxx -just barely beats out his teammate Bucketfoot AL
4. Al Simmons
5. Mel Ott
6. Lefty O'Doul -just under .400, no doubt aided by Baker Bowl but great season nonetheless
7. Lefty Grove -top pitcher in a weak year for hurlers. #2 Lefty on ballot
8. Willie Wells -top player outside MLB
9. Hack Wilson
10.Firpo Mayberry -very intriguing pitcher

Lazzeri & Gehrig just miss
Grimes is top NL pitcher

   6. DL from MN Posted: August 05, 2020 at 10:26 AM (#5967977)
Last day to vote, still looking for a couple previous voters
   7. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: August 05, 2020 at 12:59 PM (#5967997)
1929 MMP Ballot

1. Rogers Hornsby (28.50)
2. Lefty Grove (19.82) - AL MMP
3. Babe Ruth (18.94) - AL MMPosition Player
4. Tony Lazzeri (18.59)
5. Jimmie Foxx (17.76)
6. Firpo Marberry (16.72)
7. Al Simmons (16.30)
8. Wes Ferrell (15.07)
9. Mel Ott (14.90)
10. Willis Hudlin (14.76)

11-15. Dick Redding (NgL MMP), Lou Gehrig, Burleigh Grimes (NL MMPitcher), Travis Jackson, Jud Wilson (NgL MMPosition Player).

1929 mWAR All-Stars:

c- Mickey Cochrane
1b - Jimmie Foxx
2b - Rogers Hornsby
ss- - Travis Jackson
3b - Jud Wilson
lf - Lefty O'Doul
cf - Turkey Stearnes
rf - Babe Ruth

sp - Lefty Grove
sp - Firpo Marberry
sp - Wes Ferrell
sp - Willis Hudlin
sp - Dick Redding
   8. bjhanke Posted: August 05, 2020 at 04:16 PM (#5968033)
Nasty Note to BTF: It took me THREE HOURS to actually get BTF to give me permission to post a comment. I, right now, am FURIOUS at BTF for this. It's been going on for FOUR YEARS!!!!! Jeez, guys, FIX this!!!!!!!!!! It's YEARS overdue!!!!!!!!!

This is Brock Hanke’s MMP ballot for 1929. Consensus between Win Shares and WAR is VERY high this year, perhaps the best in the whole of the MMP. It’s also the year that the Cubs won the pennant, but not the World Series, coupling with 1930 to firmly establish the Billy Goat Jinx. This year, the Cubs were almost certainly the best team in the game, going into April. But Gabby Hartnett got hurt and lost the whole year, and they came up short in the WS. In 1930, Hartnett would be back, but Hornsby would miss the whole year, and the Cubs don’t win anything. I would have HATED not getting to vote because BTF would not let me post a comment. OK, calm down. Post list before BTF throws you out and won't even let you log in.

1. Rogers Hornsby
2. Jimmie Foxx
3. Babe Ruth
4. Al Simmons
5. Devil Wells
6. Lou Gehrig
7. Tony Lazzeri
8. Lefty O’Doul
9. Mel Ott
10. Chet Brewer
   9. bjhanke Posted: August 05, 2020 at 04:18 PM (#5968034)
And, as long as I am here, BTF REFUSED to let me SUBMIT the above comment, for almost half an hour. Love MMPlayers. HATE BTF!!!!
   10. DL from MN Posted: August 06, 2020 at 09:41 AM (#5968129)
Election is over. I share your frustration with the website, Brock. I plan on wrapping up the 1930s here but would love to archive everything elsewhere and run the MMP/HOM yearly elections on a different platform.
   11. Qufini Posted: August 07, 2020 at 12:34 PM (#5968284)
I agree that it's very annoying and should have been fixed long ago. However, I've found that I'm able to get around it by going to an older thread and posting someone else (including a single word like "test"). Once I do that, the newer threads become available to me as well.

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