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Tuesday, July 07, 2020

Most Meritorious Player: 1929 Discussion

The Philadelphia Athletics beat the Cubs 4 games to 1 in the World Series.

The Kansas City Monarchs were the best team in the Negro National League winning both halves of the schedule. The Baltimore Black Sox did the same in the one season of the American Negro League.

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Player			SH WS		BBR WAR
Rogers Hornsby		40.6		10.4
Babe Ruth		32.6		8.0
Al Simmons		33.7		7.9
Jimmie Foxx		34.1		7.9
Tony Lazzeri		30.4		7.8
Lou Gehrig		32.0		7.6
Mel Ott			30.1		7.4
Lefty O'Doul		30.2		7.4
Charlie Gehringer	26.4		5.8
Mickey Cochrane		27.8		3.7
Paul Waner		28.1		4.8
Travis Jackson		23.4		5.7
Hack Wilson		31.5		6.1
Pinky Whitney		21.5		3.7
Chuck Klein		26.0		5.1
George Grantham		18.8		3.7
Kiki Cuyler		26.6		4.9
Riggs Stephenson	25.8		4.7
Lew Fonseca		24.4		5.5
Bill Terry		23.3		4.8
Lloyd Waner		28.1		3.5
Babe Herman		26.0		4.7
Jimmy Dykes		21.8		4.1
Joe Sewell		20.6		4.4
Earl Averill		25.4		4.2
Red Kress		20.2		3.6
Pie Traynor		21.0		2.8
Jim Bottomley		20.4		3.2
Heinie Manush		22.6		4.2
Frankie Frisch		20.1		3.2
Earle Combs		24.8		4.9
Dale Alexander		23.6		5.1
Chick Hafey		21.5		4.3
Joe Cronin		19.5		3.7
Rabbit Maranville	16.9		2.5
Lu Blue			20.4		4.6
Bing Miller		22.5		3.7

Willie Wells				7.3
Charlie Smith				5.5
Rap Dixon				5.1
Jud Wilson				4.2
Martin Dihigo				4.2
Turkey Stearnes				4.0
Mule Suttles				3.9
Bullet Rogan				3.7
Oscar Charleston			3.5
George Scales				3.2
Judy Johnson				3.1
Cool Papa Bell				2.9
Pythias Russ				2.8
Newt Allen				2.7

Pitcher			SH WS		BBR WAR
Lefty Grove		26.9		7.4
Red Lucas		25.2		6.0
Willis Hudlin		26.1		7.3
Firpo Marberry		25.1		7.0
Wes Ferrell		24.3		6.6
Rube Walberg		21.5		6.4
Sam Gray		24.4		6.2
Watty Clark		22.5		5.6
Charlie Root		23.2		4.5
George Earnshaw		22.3		5.4
Dazzy Vance		18.7		4.8
Burleigh Grimes		22.1		5.8
Pat Malone		21.9		4.8
Tommy Thomas		20.2		4.7
Milt Gaston		17.8		4.8
Jake Miller		17.7		4.5
Clarence Mitchell	12.0		4.1
George Uhle		15.8		4.7
Danny MacFayden		16.0		3.3
Erv Brame		17.3		4.1

Chet Brewer				7.0
John Williams				5.9
Yellow Horse Morris			4.7
William Bell				4.5
Connie Rector				4.5
Willie Foster				3.5
Laymon Yokely				3.2
Joe Williams				3.1
Webster McDonald			3.1
Satchel Paige				1.8
DL from MN Posted: July 07, 2020 at 11:23 AM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: July 07, 2020 at 11:45 AM (#5961453)
Eric C Negro League MLEs
Player Name Age Lg Pos G PA Rbat Rbaser Rdp Rfield Rpos RAA WAA Rrep RAR WAR
Newt Allen 28 NL 2B 146 640 34 0 0 14 4 53 4.8 20 73 6.7
Jud Wilson 33 NL 3B 144 630 38 1 0 4 3 46 4.1 20 65 5.9
Turkey Stearnes 28 NL CF 153 670 42 0 0 2 -3 42 3.8 21 63 5.8
Willie Wells 23 NL SS 153 670 18 1 0 6 9 34 3.1 21 55 5.1
John Beckwith 29 NL 3B 133 580 38 0 0 -4 3 37 3.3 18 55 5.0
Martin Dihigo 24 NL CF 142 620 26 1 0 7 -3 30 2.8 19 50 4.6
George Scales 28 NL 2B 133 580 27 0 0 3 4 33 3.0 18 51 4.6
Oscr Charleston 32 NL 1B 144 630 26 2 0 1 -6 23 2.1 20 43 3.9
Dick Lundy 30 NL SS 133 580 11 0 0 5 8 24 2.2 18 42 3.8
Bullet Rogan 35 NL RF 117 510 30 1 0 -1 -5 25 2.3 16 41 3.8
Mule Suttles 28 NL 1B 146 640 22 0 0 2 -6 19 1.7 20 39 3.6
Biz Mackey 31 NL C 110 480 14 0 0 1 3 18 1.7 15 33 3.1
Cool Papa Bell 26 NL CF 151 660 9 2 0 -1 -3 7 0.6 21 27 2.5
Alejandro Oms 33 NL CF 139 610 9 0 0 -1 -2 6 0.6 21 27 2.5
Heavy Johnson 34 NL RF 101 440 10 0 0 -1 -4 5 0.5 15 20 1.9

Pitcher Name Age Lg G IP R RA9 lgRA9 RAA WAA pWAR Rrep RAR PA Rbat Rpos RAA bWAR WAR
Dick Redding 39 NL 33 180 57 2.83 5.36 51 4.9 6.7 20 71 60 -3 7 4 0.2 6.9
William Bell 31 NL 37 230 104 4.05 5.36 34 3.2 5.6 26 59 77 -2 9 6 0.4 6.0
Webstr McDonald 29 NL 34 200 88 3.96 5.36 31 3.0 5.1 22 54 67 -7 8 0 0.0 5.1
Willie Foster 25 NL 40 270 145 4.84 5.36 16 1.5 4.4 30 46 90 -7 10 3 0.2 4.5
Bullet Rogan 35 NL 34 200 101 4.57 5.36 18 1.7 3.8 22 40 67 4 8 11 0.7 4.4
Bill Holland 28 NL 40 250 142 5.10 5.36 7 0.7 3.4 28 35 83 -10 9 0 -0.1 3.3
Satchel Paige 22 AL 34 200 105 4.75 5.07 7 0.7 2.8 21 28 67 -6 8 2 0.1 2.9
Martin Dihigo 24 NL 33 180 108 5.40 5.36 -1 -0.1 1.9 20 19 60 1 7 8 0.5 2.3
Ramon Bragana 20 NL 8 50 19 3.36 5.36 11 1.1 1.6 6 17 17 -1 2 1 0.1 1.7 
Joe Williams 43 NL 3 20 9 3.96 5.36 3 0.3 0.5 2 5 7 0 1 1 0.0 0.5


   2. DL from MN Posted: July 07, 2020 at 12:04 PM (#5961462)
I am not at all comfortable with that Dick Redding MLE for his age 39 season. He only has one game documented on Seamheads.

1929 Prelim

1) Rogers Hornsby - this one is easy
2) Mel Ott
3) Al Simmons
4) Jimmie Foxx
5) Willie Wells - best NGL player
6) Lefty O'Doul
7) Babe Ruth
8) Tony Lazzeri
9) Lou Gehrig
10) Chet Brewer - not an impressive year for pitchers
   3. DL from MN Posted: July 07, 2020 at 03:16 PM (#5961535)
I'm inclined to give Dihigo credit for both his batting and his pitching lines. He was truly a standout utility player. That will probably bump Gehrig or Brewer off my ballot.

Just off ballot: Red Lucas, Charlie Gehringer, Willis Hudlin, Firpo Marberry, Lefty Grove, Mickey Cochrane, Newt Allen, Paul Waner, Turkey Stearnes, Travis Jackson, William Bell, John Beckwith, Willie Foster
   4. Qufini Posted: July 07, 2020 at 09:17 PM (#5961607)
I am not at all comfortable with that Dick Redding MLE for his age 39 season. He only has one game documented on Seamheads.

Agreed. I was one of Redding's biggest advocates for the Hall of Merit. However, at this point in his career, Redding was primarily a manager. He'd put himself into a game every once in a while as needed.* And, he could still be effective- as evidenced by his complete game shutout in his only recorded game this season. But any MLE that extrapolates his results to a full season is making an unwarranted and erroneous assumption.




*John McGraw did something similar when he became manager of the Giants, playing 5, 3, 4 and 1 game in his last four "seasons."
   5. DL from MN Posted: July 08, 2020 at 09:37 AM (#5961648)
One thing to note in my reading is the American Negro League took the step of compiling statistics and having them published in the Pittsburgh Courier (?) after the completion of the season. This is one of the best documented NGL seasons.
   6. Yardape Posted: July 19, 2020 at 12:35 AM (#5963987)
1. Rogers Hornsby - Great season. B-R has him as deserving a Gold Glove this season (had they existed), which I'm a little dubious of, but even decent defending makes this a top-notch season.
2. Willie Wells - Best NgL player, and I even flirted with having him ahead of Hornsby. Not sure exactly how strong the NNL was - the ANL looks a bit better - so he slides down here.
3. Charlie "Chino" Smith - Absolutely tore up the ANL. Terrific hitting season. I don't know much about his defence, and since he's in right I'm guessing he's no Speaker, but still. .837 slugging
4. Mel Ott
5. Jimmie Foxx - Couple of big seasons for the sluggers
6. Al Simmons - Gets credit for what appears to have been an outstanding year defensively in left, which pushes him pretty close to the bigger bats in front of him.
7. Rap Dixon - Another great hitting season from the ANL.
8. Hack Wilson - Position adjustment still leaves him short of the corner outfielder glut.
9. Lefty Grove - Best pitcher, though as DL says, it was not an impressive year for pitchers.
10. Babe Ruth - Barely makes the ballot. End of an era.

Close to ballot: Chet Brewer (best NgL pitcher), Mickey Cochrane, Lefty O'Doul, Lou Gehrig, Martin Dihigo

Not close to ballot: Pat Malone (best NL pitcher).
   7. Yardape Posted: July 19, 2020 at 12:47 AM (#5963989)
1929 All-Star Team
SS: Willie Wells
2B: Rogers Hornsby
RF: Chino Smith
1B: Jimmie Foxx
LF: Al Simmons
CF: Hack Wilson
C: Mickey Cochrane
3B: Judy Johnson (Pitcher wasn't the only weak position this year)

Starting Rotation: Lefty Grove, Chet Brewer, William Bell, Laymon Yokely, Firpo Marberry

Bench: Clarence Palm, Tony Lazzeri, Jimmy Dykes, Martin Dihigo, Rap Dixon, Bullet Rogan, Mel Ott
Bullpen: Pat Malone, Red Lucas, Joe Strong, John Williams
   8. MrC. Posted: July 20, 2020 at 10:33 AM (#5964209)
1929 Preliminary ballot

1. Rogers Hornsby 10.41 WARR
2. Mel Ott 8.22 WARR
3. Babe Ruth 7.20 WARR
4. Charlie Smith 7.06 WARR
5. Al Simmons 6.94 WARR
6. Lefty O'Doul 6.81 WARR
7. Jimmie Foxx 6.76 WARR
8. Willie Wells 6.74 WARR
9. Firpo Marberry 6.48 WARR
10. Lefty Grove 6.44 WARR

Rest of the top 20
11. Lou Gehrig
12. Tony Lazzeri
13. Red Lucas
14. Chet Brewer
15. George Uhle
16. Kiki Cuyler
17. Connie Rector
18. Rap Dixon
19. Watty Clark
20.John Williams


   9. DL from MN Posted: July 24, 2020 at 03:43 PM (#5965394)
1929 World Series Stats
Player Name G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SB CS E WPA
Mickey Cochrane* 5 15 5 6 1 0 0 0 7 0 .400 .591 .467 1.058 0 0 0 0.16
Jimmy Dykes 5 19 2 8 1 0 0 4 1 1 .421 .450 .474 .924 0 0 2 0.21
Jimmie Foxx 5 20 5 7 1 0 2 5 1 1 .350 .381 .700 1.081 0 0 0 0.36
Bing Miller 5 19 1 7 1 0 0 4 0 2 .368 .400 .421 .821 0 2 1 0.29
Al Simmons 5 20 6 6 1 0 2 5 1 4 .300 .333 .650 .983 0 0 0 -0.12

Kiki Cuyler 5 20 4 6 1 0 0 4 1 7 .300 .333 .350 .683 0 0 1 0.15
Rogers Hornsby 5 21 4 5 1 1 0 1 1 8 .238 .273 .381 .654 0 0 1 -0.24
Riggs Stephenson 5 19 3 6 1 0 0 3 2 2 .316 .381 .368 .749 0 0 0 -0.14
Hack Wilson 5 17 2 8 0 1 0 0 4 3 .471 .571 .588 1.160 0 0 1 0.02

Pitcher Name G GS ERA W L SV CG IP H R ER BB SO WHIP WPA
George Earnshaw 2 2 2.63 1 1 0 1 13.2 14 6 4 6 17 1.463 0.08
Lefty Grove* 2 0 0.00 0 0 2 0 6.1 3 0 0 1 10 0.632 0.35
Rube Walberg* 2 0 0.00 1 0 0 0 6.1 3 1 0 0 8 0.474 0.19

Pat Malone 3 2 4.15 0 2 0 1 13.0 12 9 6 7 11 1.462 -0.78
Charlie Root 2 2 4.73 0 1 0 0 13.1 12 7 7 2 8 1.050 0.46
   10. DL from MN Posted: August 06, 2020 at 10:11 AM (#5968133)
Can I post elsewhere if I post here first?

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