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Most Meritorious Player: 1932 Discussion

The Yankees swept the Cubs in the World Series.

Top teams in the fractured Negro Leagues include the Pittsburgh Crawfords, Cole’s American Giants, Monroe Monarchs and the Detroit Wolves.

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Player			SH WS		BBR WAR
Jimmie Foxx		41.9		10.5
Babe Ruth		35.7		8.3
Chuck Klein		31.7		6.6
Mel Ott			32.1		7.9
Lou Gehrig		37.9		7.9
Mickey Cochrane		30.9		5.8
Joe Cronin		30.9		6.1
Babe Herman		24.4		6.6
Bill Terry		31.6		7.2
Lefty O'Doul		32.9		6.4
Tony Lazzeri		27.0		5.2
Paul Waner		31.4		5.5
Dick Bartell		21.5		4.0
Joe Vosmik		24.7		4.0
Earl Averill		30.4		4.7
Don Hurst		22.9		4.7
Willie Kamm		21.2		3.1
Arky Vaughn		21.3		3.8
Pie Traynor		21.1		2.9
Lloyd Waner		23.1		3.6
Heinie Manush		28.0		5.1
Charlie Gehringer	24.3		4.7
Wally Berger		25.6		3.8
Dale Alexander		14.5		4.4
Riggs Stephenson	23.4		3.3
Spud Davis		17.1		4.1
Al Simmons		25.2		4.2
Earle Combs		24.4		4.7
Billy Herman		23.6		3.5
Ben Chapman		22.3		4.3

Willie Wells				2.3
Roy Parnell				5.2
Leroy Morney				3.7
Rap Dixon				2.8
Joe Strong				2.8
Cool Papa Bell				2.6
Dick Lundy				2.6
Mule Suttles				2.4
Turkey Stearnes				2.3
Josh Gibson				1.9
Jud Wilson				1.2

Pitcher			SH WS		BBR WAR
Lefty Grove		31.0		9.3
Carl Hubbell		24.1		7.4
Lon Warneke		30.3		6.9
Red Ruffing		25.4		7.8
Dizzy Dean		23.3		6.5
Red Lucas		22.7		6.0
Ted Lyons		15.6		5.7
Al Crowder		29.6		6.7
Wes Ferrell		25.4		7.3
Huck Betts		18.1		4.7
Mel Harder		20.3		5.7
Tom Zachary		16.9		4.2
Watty Clark		19.4		3.5
Clint Brown		20.1		5.6
Flint Rhem		17.1		4.2
Bill Hallahan		14.4		3.3
Tommy Bridges		15.9		4.4
Larry French		21.1		3.2

Willie Foster				4.5
Satchel Paige				4.5
Dick Matthews				4.2
Elbert Williams				3.8
William Bell				3.7
Sam Thompson				2.5
Melvin Powell				2.7
Webster McDonald			2.2
Ted Radcliffe				2.1
DL from MN Posted: September 30, 2020 at 02:57 PM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: September 30, 2020 at 04:37 PM (#5979922)
1932 Dr C NGL MLEs
Player Name Age Lg Pos G PA Rbat Rbaser Rdp Rfield Rpos RAA WAA Rrep RAR WAR
Martin Dihigo 27 NL CF 135 580 30 1 0 6 -2 35 3.5 18 53 5.4
Turkey Stearnes 31 NL CF 151 650 23 0 0 2 -2 23 2.3 20 43 4.4
John Beckwith 32 NL 1B 130 560 36 0 0 -7 -5 24 2.4 17 42 4.2
Willie Wells 26 NL SS 151 650 3 1 0 6 9 18 1.9 20 39 4.0
Sam Bankhead 21 NL SS 139 600 2 2 0 4 8 17 1.7 19 36 3.7
George Scales 31 NL 2B 132 570 16 0 0 -1 4 18 1.8 18 36 3.7
Cool Papa Bell 29 NL CF 149 640 16 2 0 -1 -2 15 1.5 20 35 3.6
Mule Suttles 31 NL 1B 135 580 20 0 0 2 -6 17 1.7 18 35 3.6
Newt Allen 31 NL 2B 142 610 -3 0 0 14 4 15 1.6 19 34 3.5
Jud Wilson 36 NL 3B 109 470 9 0 0 3 2 14 1.4 15 29 2.9
Dick Lundy 33 NL SS 121 520 -1 0 0 4 7 11 1.1 16 27 2.8
Biz Mackey 34 NL C 107 460 9 0 0 1 3 13 1.3 14 27 2.8
Alejandro Oms 36 NL CF 114 490 7 0 0 -1 -2 5 0.5 17 22 2.2
Oscr Charleston 35 NL 1B 142 610 3 2 0 1 -6 0 0.0 19 19 2.0
Bullet Rogan 38 NL RF 79 340 11 0 0 -2 -3 6 0.6 11 16 1.7
Josh Gibson 20 NL C/1B 58 250 2 0 0 2 0 4 0.4 8 11 1.2

Pitcher Name Age Lg G IP R RA9 lgRA9 RAA WAA pWAR Rrep RAR PA Rbat Rpos RAA bWAR WAR
Satchel Paige 25 AL 40 270 99 3.30 5.27 59 5.9 8.6 30 89 90 -8 10 2 0.1 8.8
Ramon Bragana 23 NL 31 200 67 3.00 4.60 35 3.9 5.8 19 54 67 -3 7 5 0.3 6.1
Willie Foster 28 NL 40 270 116 3.86 4.60 22 2.3 5.1 26 48 90 -7 10 2 0.1 5.2
Martin Dihigo 27 NL 35 210 88 3.76 4.60 19 2.0 4.2 20 39 70 1 7 9 0.6 4.7
Bill Holland 31 NL 37 250 109 3.92 4.60 19 2.0 4.5 24 43 83 -10 9 -1 -0.1 4.4
Bullet Rogan 38 NL 31 150 55 3.28 4.60 22 2.3 3.8 14 36 50 3 5 8 0.5 4.3
William Bell 34 NL 40 270 130 4.32 4.60 8 0.9 3.7 26 34 90 -3 10 7 0.5 4.1
Webstr McDonald 32 NL 40 270 128 4.25 4.60 10 1.1 3.9 26 36 90 -9 10 0 0.0 3.9
Ray Brown 23 NL 36 220 106 4.35 4.60 6 0.6 2.9 21 27 73 -2 8 6 0.4 3.3
Hilton Smith 25 NL 36 180 87 4.35 4.60 5 0.5 2.3 17 22 60 -1 6 6 0.4 2.7
Bill Byrd 25 NL 30 160 78 4.36 3.97 -7 -0.8 0.8 13 6 53 -2 5 3 0.2 1.1

   2. DL from MN Posted: September 30, 2020 at 04:56 PM (#5979939)
Paige v Foster in 1932

Player Team IP K BB ERA+ OPS+
Paige PC 138.1 141 50 191 73
Foster CAG 134.1 96 27 175 89
   3. DL from MN Posted: September 30, 2020 at 05:17 PM (#5979954)
1932 Prelim

Dan R's league adjustment is very different for the AL and NL this season - 0.901 for the AL and 0.962 for the NL. That will move up my NL players on the ballot.

1) Jimmie Foxx - clearly the best hitter in baseball this season
2) Carl Hubbell - moves up due to the NL league adjustment, bat helps move him ahead of Paige and Grove
3) Satchel Paige - His K rate was pretty crazy, especially for that low strikeout era
4) Babe Ruth - 2nd best bat
5) Chuck Klein - actually tied with Ruth due to better defense
6) Lefty Grove - best AL pitcher
7) Lon Warneke - almost tied with Grove
8) Mel Ott
9) Lou Gehrig
10) Mickey Cochrane

11-15) Joe Cronin, Red Ruffing, Babe Herman, Dizzy Dean, Bill Terry
16-21) Lefty O'Doul, Willie Foster, Martin Dihigo, Ted Lyons, Red Lucas, Tony Lazzeri
   4. DL from MN Posted: October 05, 2020 at 02:38 PM (#5981168)
1932 Chicago American Giants vs Nashville Elite Giants (Negro Southern League)

The Negro Southern League was considered the only “Major League” in Negro League baseball in 1932. The Nashville Elite Giants won the first half of the season and the Chicago American Giants won the second half of the season. The Chicago American Giants finished the regular season with the best record in the Negro Southern League. The American Giants were 34-7 (.829) during the 1932 baseball season. The Monroe Monarchs had the second best overall won-loss record in the league at 33-7 (.825). The Nashville Elite Giants faltered in the second half of the season and finished the year at 24-15 (.615).

The Chicago American Giants were managed by Dave Malarcher and fielded a strong team. Nat Rogers (.322), E.C. “Pop” Turner (.310), Sandy Thompson (.308) and Norman “Turkey” Stearnes (.297) were the team’s top hitters. The real strength of Chicago during the 1932 Negro Southern League season was their pitching staff. Bill Foster (19-8), Willie Powell (14-6) and Melvin “Putt” Powell (14-7) were the team’s top pitchers in 1932. These three pitchers were also the top three pitchers in wins in the Negro Southern League for the season.

Joe Hewitt managed the Nashville Elite Giants and struggled all year with his team’s hitting and pitching. Black Bottom Buford (.375) and Burnis “Wild Bill” Wright (.300) were Nashville’s only two players to hit .300 for the season. The Elite Giants pitching staff also struggled. Henry “Red” Wright (9-5) and Jim Willis (7-7) were the two best pitchers on the Nashville staff. The Chicago American Giants and the Nashville Elite Giants met in early September in Chicago
to start the Play-Off Series. The first three games were played in Chicago. Nashville won two of the first three games behind the pitching of Jim Willis to take a one game lead when the series moved to Nashville. Chicago rebounded and won
two of the next three games to tie the series. In game seven, Chicago sent their ace Bill Foster to the mound to face Jim Willis who had already won two games in the series. Backed by two homeruns each from Steel Arm Davis and Turkey Stearnes plus one from Nat Rogers, the Chicago American Giants powered to a 10-5 victory. Both teams sent the same two pitchers back to the mound to start game eight. Foster won his second game in two days by defeating Jim Willis and the Elite Giants by a score of 9-2. The victory gave the Chicago American Giants the Negro Southern League championship.

Only a limited number of box scores have been found for the series. Game details and statistics for hitting and pitching
are not presented because they are too limited to provide an accurate representation of individual players and team
performance.

http://www.cnlbr.org/Portals/0/RL/Negro League Play-Off Series (1930-1939).pdf

   5. DL from MN Posted: October 05, 2020 at 02:41 PM (#5981170)
The Crawfords' Satchel Paige pitched his first career no-hitter on July 15, beating the New York Black Yankees 6-0 at Greenlee Field in Pittsburgh.

The championship of the Negro Southern League was disputed, with just percentage points separating Cole's American Giants and the Monroe Monarchs. No playoff was held, but the Monarchs played a postseason series with the independent Pittsburgh Crawfords, the Crawfords prevailing five games to one. It was referred to as a Negro World Series by both teams, but is not considered so by Negro League historians and researchers. The American Giants, who are generally considered to have won the NSL championship, and the Detroit Wolves, who won the East-West League title that year, did not engage in any post-season series.

Baseball Reference 1932 in the Negro Leagues
   6. Qufini Posted: October 09, 2020 at 04:03 PM (#5981987)
test
   7. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 09, 2020 at 06:24 PM (#5982021)
Prelim:

1) Jimmie Foxx
2) Bill Terry
3) Mel Ott
4) Babe Ruth
5) Lefty Grove
6) Lou Gehrig
7) Lon Warneke
8) Mickey Cochrane
9) Chuck Klein
10) Lefty O'Doul
   8. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 09, 2020 at 08:13 PM (#5982048)
Prelim:

1) Jimmie Foxx
2) Bill Terry
3) Mel Ott
4) Babe Ruth
5) Lefty Grove
6) Lou Gehrig
7) Lon Warneke
8) Mickey Cochrane
9) Chuck Klein
10) Lefty O'Doul


Actually, it should be:

Prelim:

1) Jimmie Foxx
2) Mel Ott
3) Bill Terry
4) Babe Ruth
5) Lefty Grove
6) Lou Gehrig
7) Lon Warneke
8) Mickey Cochrane
9) Chuck Klein
10) Lefty O'Doul
   9. Qufini Posted: October 11, 2020 at 05:45 PM (#5982397)
Welcome back, Grandma!
   10. DL from MN Posted: October 12, 2020 at 10:38 AM (#5982544)
1932 World Series
Player Name G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SB CS E WPA
Earle Combs 4 16 8 6 1 0 1 4 4 3 .375 .500 .625 1.125 0 0 0 0.30
Lou Gehrig 4 17 9 9 1 0 3 8 2 1 .529 .600 1.118 1.718 0 0 1 0.83
Tony Lazzeri 4 17 4 5 0 0 2 5 2 1 .294 .368 .647 1.015 0 0 1 0.01
Babe Ruth 4 15 6 5 0 0 2 6 4 3 .333 .500 .733 1.233 0 0 1 0.22

Riggs Stephenson 4 18 2 8 1 0 0 4 0 0 .444 .444 .500 .944 0 0 0 -0.06

Pitcher Name G GS ERA W L SV CG IP H R ER BB SO WHIP WPA
Red Ruffing 1 1 3.00 1 0 0 1 9.0 10 6 3 6 10 1.778 0.13

Lon Warneke 2 1 5.91 0 1 0 1 10.2 15 7 7 5 8 1.875 -0.30


Ruth may or may not have called his shot but it was Gehrig who dominated this World Series.
   11. Yardape Posted: October 13, 2020 at 11:59 PM (#5982912)
Prelim ballot:

1. Jimmie Foxx: Best hitter by a long way, and a pretty clear MMP to me.
2. Babe Ruth: Next best hitter
3. Lou Gehrig: As DL said above, Gehrig had a tremendous World Series
4. Mel Ott
5. Lefty Grove
6. Satchel Paige: Grove just edges out Paige for best pitcher
7. Mickey Cochrane
8. Chuck Klein
9. Cool Papa Bell
10. Lefty O'Doul

Just missing: Earl Averill, Bill Terry, Red Ruffing, Earle Combs, Joe Strong
   12. Yardape Posted: October 14, 2020 at 12:04 AM (#5982913)
All-World team
Starting pitchers: Grove, Paige, Ruffing, Warneke
C: Cochrane
1B: Foxx
2B: Tony Lazzeri
3B: Joe Stripp
SS: Leroy Morney
LF: Lefty O'Doul
CF: Cool Papa Bell
RF: Babe Ruth

Bench: Bill Perkins, Gehrig, Dick Lundy, Charlie Gehringer, Joe Cronin, Ott, Averill, Klein
Bullpen: Willie Foster, Dick Matthews, General Crowder, Red Lucas, Dizzy Dean
   13. Howie Menckel Posted: October 14, 2020 at 12:16 AM (#5982919)
Grandma sighting!
   14. Qufini Posted: October 16, 2020 at 08:59 AM (#5983305)
This is a weird season for the Negro Leagues with only the Southern League playing a full season. Leroy Morney had a great year, but how much do you adjust for the level of the competition? One certain thing is that Satchel Paige is the real deal after moving north to Pittsburgh to face the top teams, even if much of it is in non-league play.

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