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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Friday, December 18, 2020Most Meritorious Player: 1933 BallotFor 1933 each voter should rank the top 10 players from all leagues combined. Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 6 January 2021. Please let me know if you want your preliminary ballot counted as your final ballot. Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 5 January 2021. For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots. |
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1. DL from MN Posted: December 18, 2020 at 12:32 PM (#5994879)1) Carl Hubbell - Top NL pitcher was very close top the top NL position player until I figured in 20 postseason innings without an earned run.
1) Chuck Klein - NL Triple Crown winner gets the edge over his AL counterparts due to the league run scoring standard deviations
3) Jimmie Foxx - best bat, less glove than Klein
4) Arky Vaughan
5) Joe Cronin - his superior fielding doesn't top Vaughan's better bat
6) Lon Warneke
7) Ed Brandt
8) Wally Berger
9) Mickey Cochrane - still the top C in baseball but competition is improving
10) Charlie Gehringer
11-15) Lou Gehrig, Josh Gibson, Turkey Stearnes, Hal Schumacher, Bump Hadley
16-20) Bill Rogell, Mel Ott, Martin Dihigo, Lefty Grove, Pepper Martin
1) Jimmie Foxx - best overall bat in MLB
2) Carl Hubbell - best pitcher in MLB
3) Martín Dihigo - strong performance as two-way player is too impressive
4) Chuck Klein - second best bat, NL bump
5) Joe Cronin - slightest edge over Vaughan
6) Arky Vaughan - just behind Cronin
7) Lon Warneke - great run prevention and lots of innings, just behind Hubbell all around
8) Lou Gehrig - fantastic season, 2nd best bat in AL
9) Charlie Gehringer - fantastic defensive season just behind the offensive power of Gehrig
10) Mickey Cochrane - 150 wRC+ from your catcher in 130 games
11-20) Wally Berger, Babe Ruth, Turkey Stearnes, Dizzy Dean, Lefty Grove, Ed Brandt, Mel Harder, Josh Gibson, Mel Ott, Larry French
1. Jimmie Foxx, 1B, Philadelphia Athletics: leads MLB in OPS+ and RC with 201 and 180 respectively
2. Carl Hubbell, P, New York Giants: leads MLB with 193 ERA+; 308 IP is tops in NL
3. Chuck Klein, RF, Philadelphia Phillies: leads NL with 176 OPS+ and 154 RC
4. Lou Gehrig, 1B, New York Yankees: 177 OPS+ and 147 RC
5. Mickey Cochrane, C, Philadelphia Athletics: 158 OPS+ and 100 RC as a catcher
6. Josh Gibson, C, Pittsburgh Crawfords: not even the best catcher in Pennsylvania! 217 OPS+ though only -2 fielding
7. Lon Warneke, P, Chicago Cubs: 165 ERA+ in 287 IP
8. Charlie Gehringer, 2B, Detroit Tigers: 126 OPS+ and +18 fielding
9. Wally Berger, CF, Boston Braves: 172 OPS+ is 2nd in NL, +3 fielding
10. Babe Ruth, RF, New York Yankees: sneaks onto ballot with 176 OPS+ that's third best in AL and MLB
11. Sam Streeter, P, Pittsburgh Crawfords
12. Arky Vaughan, SS, Pittsburgh Pirates
13. Satchel Paige, P, Pittsburgh Crawfords
14. Joe Cronin, SS, Washington Senators
15. Leroy Matlock, P, Pittsburgh Crawfords- what a rotation! though it helps that they didn't have to face Gibson
16. Bill Dickey, C, New York Yankees
17. Spud Davis, C, Philadelphia Phillies
18. Mel Harder, P, Cleveland Indians- top pitcher in the AL
19. Hal Schumacher, P, New York Giants
20. Bump Hadley, P, St. Louis Browns
1. Jimmy Foxx 10.68 WARR
2. Carl Hubbell 8.69 WARR
3. Chuck Klein 7.57 WARR
4. Dizzy Dean 7.54 WARR
5. Joe Cronin 7.47 WARR
6. Arky Vaughn 6.77 WARR
7. Wally Berger 6.48 WARR
8. Bump Hadley 6.46 WARR
9. Lou Gehrig 6.43 WARR
10. Al Simmons 6.41 WARR
Rest of top 20
11. Charlie Gehringer
12. Mickey Cochrane
13. Pepper Martin
14. Willie Foster
15. Billy Rogell
16. Van Mungo
17. Mel Harder
18. Fred Schulte
19. Ed wells
20. Josh Gibson
1. Josh Gibson
2. Jimmie Foxx
3. Carl Hubbell
4. Chuck Klein
5. Mickey Cochrane
6. Lon Warneke
7. Lou Gehrig
8. Sam Streeter
9. Turkey Stearnes
10. Arky Vaughan
Mel Harder is my AL MMPitcher.
I apologize, but in going over my calculations more carefully, I realize there were mistakes made in the pitcher calculations. As a result, there we're a few changes in my ballot.
The corrected ballot is as follows:
1. Jimmy Foxx 10.68 WARR
2. Carl Hubbell 8.18 WARR
3. Chuck Klein 7.57 WARR
4. Joe Cronin 7.47 WARR
5. Dizzy Dean 6.89 WARR
6. Arky Vaughn 6.77 WARR
7. Wally Berger 6.48 WARR
8. Lou Gehrig 6.43 WARR
9. Al Simmons 6.41 WARR
10. Charlie Gehringer 6.33 WARR
Rest of top 20
11. Bump Hadley
12. Mickey Cochrane
13. Pepper Martin
14. Willie Foster
15. Billy Rogell
16. Van Mungo
17. Mel Harder
18. Fred Schulte
19. Ed wells
20. Josh Gibson
1. Jimmie Foxx --barely edges Hubbell for #1. Probably a slight position player bias
2. Carl Hubbell
3. Chuck Klein
4. Joe Cronin
5. Lou Gehrig
6. Wally Berger
7. Arky Vaughn
8. Josh Gibson
9. Mickey Cochrane
10.Lefty Grove
1) Jimmie Foxx: Best ML player and first baseman by a decent amount.
2) Wally Berger: Best NL player and center fielder.
3) Lou Gehrig: Best player who also happens to be my all-time favorite great.
4) Carl Hubbell: Best ML pitcher.
5) Josh Gibson: Best NeL player and ML catcher.
6) Turkey Stearnes: Best NeL center fielder.
7) Arky Vaughan: Best ML shortstop.
8) Joe Cronin: Best AL shortstop.
9) Lon Warneke" Best pitcher named The Arkansas Hummingbird.
10) Pepper Martin: Best ML third baseman.
Best AL pitcher: Bump Hadley
1. Carl Hubbell (29.67)
2. Jimmie Foxx (24.04) - AL MMP
3. Arky Vaughan (18.83) - NL MMPosition Player
4. Joe Cronin (18.77)
5. Lefty Grove (16.44) - AL MMPitcher
6. Lon Warneke (16.23)
7. Charlie Gehringer (16.23)
8. Chuck Klein (15.77)
9. Wally Berger (14.45)
10. Lou Gehrig (13.95
11-15. Mickey Cochrane, Bump Hadley, Ed Brandt, Turkey Stearnes (NgL MMP), Satchel Paige (NgL MMPitcher).
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