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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Thursday, January 07, 2021Most Meritorious Player: 1934 DiscussionThe Gas House Gang Cardinals won the World Series over the Detroit Tigers 4 games to 3. The Philadelphia Stars topped the Chicago American Giants 4 games to 3 in the Negro National League Championship. Vote for 10. Player SH WS BBR WAR Lou Gehrig 41.1 10.4 Arky Vaughan 36.6 6.6 Charlie Gehringer 36.6 8.4 Mel Ott__ 37.5 7.3 Jimmie Foxx 31.3 9.0 Paul Waner 30.7 5.8 Earl Averill 32.4 6.8 Ripper Collins 32.6 6.3 Hank Greenberg 30.4 6.2 Billy Werber 26.2 5.5 Gabby Hartnett 23.9 4.4 Len Koenecke 23.2 5.0 Bob Johnson 21.4 5.0 Mickey Cochrane 22.3 4.5 Dick Bartell 18.2 3.0 Bill Terry 28.7 5.8 Hal Trosky 27.6 5.5 Billy Rogell 24.1 4.8 Bill Dickey 19.4 3.6 Babe Ruth 20.1 5.1 Kiki Cuyler 23.1 3.6 Al Simmons 22.1 4.5 Buddy Myer 19.4 4.1 Joe Cronin 17.1 3.9 Wally Berger 32.4 5.1 Billy Urbanski 24.6 3.6 Tony Lazzeri 17.4 3.5 Lonny Frey 16.9 2.8 Heinie Manush 20.5 4.7 Jo Jo Moore 26.1 3.5 Sam Leslie 22.1 4.3 Chuck Klein 18.2 3.4 Joe Medwick 24.1 3.2 Marv Owen 22.6 3.3 Pinky Higgins 20.1 4.3 Turkey Stearnes 4.1 Josh Gibson 3.9 Chester Williams 3.0 Jud Wilson 2.4 Pete Washington 2.3 Oscar Charleston 1.7 Willie Wells 1.6 Mule Suttles 1.4 Cool Papa Bell 1.3 Pitcher SH WS BBR WAR Dizzy Dean 34.5 9.5 Carl Hubbell 32.5 7.4 Lefty Gomez 30.8 7.8 Curt Davis 24.6 8.5 Mel Harder 27.7 7.7 Schoolboy Rowe 26.7 6.9 Van Lingle Mungo 21.1 5.3 Lon Warneke 25.8 5.0 Paul Dean 19.8 5.3 Benny Frey 15.0 4.5 Wes Ferrell 17.4 5.0 Fritz Ostermueller 16.4 5.2 Bobo Newsom 21.3 5.6 Ed Brandt 19.4 3.8 Hal Schumacher 24.0 3.7 Paul Derringer 16.2 4.0 Tommy Bridges 23.2 4.8 Freddie Fitzsimmons 19.6 3.0 Waite Hoyt 17.5 4.9 Slim Jones 7.6 Satchel Paige 7.2 William Bell 3.9 Webster McDonald 2.3 Andy Porter 2.3 Frank Blake 2.1 Ted Trent 1.9 |
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1. DL from MN Posted: January 07, 2021 at 10:38 AM (#5997885)1) Lou Gehrig - Monster batting season
2) Arky Vaughan - best NL player
3) Satchel Paige - best pitcher
4) Charlie Gehringer
5) Dizzy Dean
6) Mel Ott
7) Jimmie Foxx
8) Lefty Gomez
9) Carl Hubbell
10) Paul Waner
11-15) Earl Averill, Turkey Stearnes, Slim Jones, Mel Harder, Josh Gibson
16-20) Curt Davis, Ripper Collins, Hank Greenberg, Schoolboy Rowe, Billy Werber
1) Lou Gehrig - Dominating bat.
2) Jimmie Foxx - Bat is better than everyone else, but clearly behind Gehrig
3) Slim Jones - Seamheads data shows him with more IP and a better RA than Paige.
4) Josh Gibson - Down from last year, but still the best position player in the Negro Leagues
5) Earl Averill
6) Charlie Gehringer
7) Arky Vaughan
8) Satchel Paige
9) Dizzy Dean - Best ML pitcher. I have Dean and Paige really close.
10) Mel Ott
11-15: Paul Waner, Turkey Stearnes, Schoolboy Rowe (best AL pitcher), Lefty Gomez, Carl Hubbell
16-20: Ripper Collins, Hank Greenberg, Jud Wilson, Webster McDonald, Mickey Cochrane
The Los Angeles Angels had a dominating season in the PCL, arguably the greatest minor league team ever. Frank Demaree was the MVP with a Triple Crown season, though he's short of my ballot. Ike Boone won an MVP for Toronto in the International League, but again it doesn't seem like it converts to a ballot-worthy season.
https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/lazaro-salazar/
1) Lou Gehrig - clear leader for 1934
2) Charlie Gehringer - I will take the defense plus great bat over Foxx's great-plus bat
3) Jimmie Foxx
4) Arky Vaughan - what a season for a 22 year old
5) Dizzy Dean
6) Mel Ott
7) Satchel Paige
8) Curt Davis - 30 year old rookie!
9) Lefty Gomez
10) Mel Harder
11-20: Earl Averill, Carl Hubbell, Josh Gibson, Ripper Collins, Lazaro Salazar, Hank Greenberg, Paul Waner, Schoolboy Rowe, Van Mungo, Martín Dihigo
for your top 20 (better WAR than Paige) than the poorly documented Salazar for 1934.
I feel pretty good about this comp. If you like Averill this season, you should like Stearnes.
Pretty complete for league games. Not as much for barnstorming games.
I'd say Paige's league games are well documented but he had a lot of barnstorming appearances that he pitched in on top of his league games that are not accounted for. He also had a tendency to jump teams for more money and/or hold out for more money.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satchel_Paige
That one's easy. The MLEs were done for players who had the most impressive careers. Jones was terrific in 1934 but had a very short career due to drinking.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Slim_Jones
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