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Tuesday, March 23, 2021

Most Meritorious Player: 1936 Ballot

For 1936 each voter should rank the top 10 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 7 April 2021. Please let me know if you want your preliminary ballot counted as your final ballot.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 6 April 2021.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: March 23, 2021 at 05:09 PM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: March 23, 2021 at 05:16 PM (#6009758)
1936 Ballot
1) Carl Hubbell - terrific pitching season (though not as good as 1933), good in the World Series also
2) Arky Vaughan - great bat for a SS
3) Lou Gehrig - best hitter, postseason bump moves him ahead of Gibson
4) Josh Gibson - best NGL player
5) Lefty Grove - Best rate stats pitching but not as many innings as Hubbell
6) Mel Ott - good postseason but not enough to move him up
7) Charlie Gehringer - middle infield has low replacement value these years
8) Satchel Paige - best NGL pitcher
9) Paul Waner
10) Mule Suttles - best NGL bat but not a catcher like Gibson

11-15) Martin Dihigo, Billy Herman, Luke Appling, Wes Ferrell, Joe Medwick
16-20) Bill Dickey, Dick Bartell, Dizzy Dean, Bill Byrd, Harry Kelley
21-25) Johnny Allen, Earl Averill, Jimmie Foxx, Leroy Matlock, Bill Holland,
26-30) Willie Wells, Dolph Camilli, Tommy Bridges, Red Rolfe, Van Lingle Mungo
   2. bjhanke Posted: March 25, 2021 at 04:29 PM (#6010142)
Hi. This is Brock Hanke.

Well, I’ve been a busy idiot. I’ve finished my 1936 ballot, but that was a side effect of looking up the Win Shares for all the top WAR performers (everybody with a WAR of 4.2 or more). Right after the ballot, I’ve listed all those players with their Win Shares numbers, in order of WAR, from the great Win Shares spreadsheet that Michael Brinkley sent me. As for my ballot, I’ve done what I said I would: Taken the Win Shares ordinal and multiplied it by two and then added in the WAR ordinal. The most serious disconnet is Lefty Grove. WAR has him first, and by a significant margin. Win Shares has him 11th. I don’t know where the disconnect comes from, but it might be from a difference about how powerful Strikeouts are. Lefty Grove comes equipped with Strikeouts.

The Ballot already:

1. Lou Gehrig
2. Carl Hubbell
3. Mel Ott
4. Arky Vaughan
5. Charlie Gehringer
6. Josh Gibson
7. Dizzy Dean
8. Lefty Grove
9. Joe Medwick
10. Paul Waner
   3. Yardape Posted: March 26, 2021 at 04:42 PM (#6010313)
1936 ballot:

1. Carl Hubbell - Quite a distance between him and the next pitcher
2. Lou Gehrig - Best bat
3. Josh Gibson - Best NgL player
4. Earl Averill
5. Arky Vaughan
6. Mel Ott
7. Luke Appling
8. Wes Ferrell - Bat lifts him to best AL pitcher
9. Leroy Matlock - Best NgL pitcher
10. Lefty Grove - Best rate stats, might have been the best pure pitcher, but Hubbell has more innings (and was really good himself) and Ferrell has the hitting.
   4. kcgard2 Posted: March 27, 2021 at 08:39 AM (#6010384)
1) Lefty Grove
2) Lou Gehrig
3) Carl Hubbell
4) Charlie Gehringer
5) Mel Ott
6) Arky Vaughan
7) Josh Gibson
8) Dizzy Dean
9) Luke Appling
10) Paul Waner

11-20) Earl Averill, Bill Holland, Satchel Paige, Billy Herman, Van Mungo, Wes Ferrell, Martin Dihigo, Joe Medwick, Johnny Allen, Willie Wells
   5. MrC. Posted: March 30, 2021 at 11:00 AM (#6010681)
1936 Ballot

1. Lefty Grove 9.64 WARR
2. Paul Waner 9.17 WARR
3. Lou Gehrig 9.03 WARR
4. Van Mungo 8.48 WARR
5. Arky Vaughn 8.45 WARR
6. Carl Hubbell 8.05 WARR
7. Martin Dihigo 8.04 WARR
8. Dick Bartell 7.53 WARR
9. Josh Gibson 7.44 WARR
10. Dizzy Dean 7.30 WARR

Rest of top 20
11. Wes Farrell
12. Charlie Gehringer
13. Johnny Allen
14. Joe Medwick
15. Mel Ott
16. Luke Appling
17. Billy Herman
18. Jimmie Foxx
19. Claude Passeau
20. Schoolboy Rowe
   6. MrC. Posted: April 03, 2021 at 02:21 PM (#6011420)
1936 ballot version 2

After careful review, I discovered an error my formulae for batters.

1. Lefty Grove 9.64 WARR
2. Lou Gehrig 9.08 WARR
3. Paul Waner 9.02 WARR
4. Van Mungo 8.48 WARR
5. Arky Vaughn 8.39 WARR
6. Carl Hubbell 8.13 WARR
7. Martin Dihigo 7.97 WARR
8. Dick Bartell 7.63 WARR
9. Josh Gibson 7.43 WARR
10. Dizzy Dean 7.26 WARR

Rest of top 20
11. Wes Farrell
12. Charlie Gehringer
13. Johnny Allen
14. Joe Medwick
15. Luke Appling
16. Mel Ott
17. Billy Herman
18. Jimmie Foxx
19. Claude Passeau
20. Schoolboy Rowe
   7. DL from MN Posted: April 05, 2021 at 03:05 PM (#6011744)
Two days left for voting!
   8. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: April 06, 2021 at 08:53 PM (#6012140)
Official MMP Ballot (no postseason bonuses and a slight reduction for NL players):

Lou Gehrig: Best ML player and first baseman.
Josh Gibson: Best NeL player and ML/NeL catcher.
Carl Hubbell: Best ML player and NL player.
Arky Vaughn: Best ML shortstop and NL position player.
Mel Ott: Best ML right fielder.
Lefty Grove: Best AL pitcher.
Charlie Gehringer: Best ML second baseman.
Satchel Paige: Best NeL pitcher.
Paul Waner: Best Waner brother.
Leroy Matlock: Best pitcher with the same surname as a TV lawyer.
   9. DL from MN Posted: April 07, 2021 at 03:11 PM (#6012240)
Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: April 06, 2021 at 08:52 PM (#6012138)
Final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Pennant contender

1. Lou Gehrig
2. Carl Hubbell just edges out teammate Ott for top NL
3. Mel Ott
4. Charlie Gehringer
5. Arky Vaughan
6. Lefty Grove
7. Ducky Medwick
8. Josh Gibson
9. Earl Averill
10.Bill Dickey catcher bonus helps but even though didn’t play a ton of games ranked 5th in AL games caught
   10. DL from MN Posted: April 07, 2021 at 03:44 PM (#6012246)
Odd, no ballot yet from Qufini or Binkley
   11. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: April 07, 2021 at 03:56 PM (#6012249)
1936 MMP Ballot:

1. Lefty Grove
2. Carl Hubbell - NL MMP
3. Lou Gehrig - AL MMPosition Player
4. Arky Vaughan - NL MMPosition Player
5. Dizzy Dean
6. Luke Appling
7. Charlie Gehringer
8. Dick Bartell
9. Mel Ott
10 Josh Gibson - NgL MMP

11-15. Bill Holland (NgL MMPitcher), Billy Herman, Wes Ferrell, Johnny Allen, Paul Waner.
   12. Qufini Posted: April 07, 2021 at 04:26 PM (#6012261)
1936 Ballot

1. Lou Gehrig, 1B, New York Yankees: 190 OPS+ and 189 RC leads MLB
2. Josh Gibson, C, Pittsburgh Crawfords: 218 OPS+ to go along with the best defensive season of his career (+5.4 runs)
3. Bill Dickey, C, New York Yankees: 158 OPS+ is 2nd in the AL, +7 fielding from behind the plate
4. Earl Averill, CF, Cleveland Indians: 157 OPS+ and 167 RC
5. Carl Hubbell, P, New York Giants: tops in the NL with a 169 ERA+, 304 IP is also top five
6. Charlie Gehringer, 2B, Detroit Tigers: 142 OPS+ and +6 fielding
7. Mel Ott, RF, New York Giants: best position player in the NL with 177 OPS+ and 139 RC
8. Lefty Grove, P, Boston Red Sox: best pitcher in the AL with 189 ERA+ though 253 IP is light for an ace in this era
9. Jimmie Foxx, 1B, Boston Red Sox: 155 OPS+ and 163 RC
10. Luke Appling, SS, Chicago White Sox: 149 OPS+ and +6 fielding at SS

11. Joe Medwick, RF, St. Louis Cardinals: 158 OPS+ and +8 fielding
12. Arky Vaughan, SS, Pittsburgh Pirates: 148 OPS+ but -2 fielding costs him a ballot spot
13. Paul Waner, RF, Pittsburgh Pirates
14. Dolph Camilli, 1B, Brooklyn Dodgers
15. Hal Trosky, 1B, Cleveland Indians
16. Tommy Bridges, P, Detroit Tigers
17. Dizzy Dean, P, St. Louis Cardinals
18. Leroy Matlock, P, Pittsburgh Crawfords
   13. DL from MN Posted: April 07, 2021 at 04:58 PM (#6012274)
Election is over, results soon

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