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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Friday, April 23, 2021Most Meritorious Player: 1938 DiscussionThe Yankees swept the Cubs in the 1938 World Series. The Memphis Red Sox defeated the Atlanta Black Crackers in the Negro American League playoff (despite the Monarchs having the best overall record). The Homestead Grays and Philadelphia Stars were the top teams in the Negro National League. Vote for 10. Player bWAR Arky Vaughan 9.0 Mel Ott__ 8.9 Joe Cronin 6.1 Harlond Clift 6.3 Hank Greenberg 6.7 Stan Hack 5.7 Jimmie Foxx 7.6 Bill Dickey 5.2 Buddy Myer 5.4 Johnny Mize 6.5 Ival Goodman 6.2 Ernie Lombardi 5.2 Rudy York 4.4 Charlie Gehringer 5.2 Dolph Camilli 4.6 Earl Averill 5.4 Joe DiMaggio 5.8 Bob Johnson 4.6 Joe Medwick 4.7 Jeff Heath 4.5 Hal Trosky 4.3 Cecil Travis 5.3 Dick Bartell 4.1 Ben Chapman 3.3 Frankie Crosetti 3.6 Lou Gehrig 4.7 Josh Gibson 3.1 Buck Leonard 2.8 Ted Strong 1.6 Quincy Trouppe 0.7 Willard Brown 2.2 Neil Robinson 2.1 Henry Milton 2.0 Pitcher bWAR Bill Lee 8.0 Red Ruffing 5.3 Paul Derringer 5.5 Clay Bryant 5.1 Thornton Lee 5.5 George Caster 5.0 Lefty Grove 5.1 Bob Feller 5.1 Ted Lyons 4.6 Lefty Gomez 4.6 Mel Harder 5.2 Monty Stratton 3.9 Freddie Fitzsimmons 4.5 Dutch Leonard 3.3 Russ Bauers 3.1 Bobo Newsom 4.8 Johnny Rigney 4.6 Ray Brown 6.5 Hilton Smith 4.2 Barney Brown 3.4 Bill Holland 2.2 Henry McHenry 2.5 Willie Cornelius 2.4 Barney Morris 2.2 Bill Byrd 2.1 Specs Roberts 2.1 Telosh Howard 2.0 |
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1. DL from MN Posted: April 23, 2021 at 02:24 PM (#6015078)1) Josh Gibson - not his best season but still in his prime and plenty good enough to be the top position player
2) Ray Brown - best pitcher
3) Arky Vaughan
4) Mel Ott
5) Joe Cronin
6) Harlond Clift
7) Bill Lee
8) Hank Greenberg
9) Buck Leonard
10) Hilton Smith
11-15) Stan Hack, Jimmie Foxx, Bill Dickey, Buddy Myer, Johnny Mize
16-20) Red Ruffing, Ival Goodman, Ernie Lombardi, Rudy York, Paul Derringer
1) Mel Ott
2) Ray Brown
3) Josh Gibson
4) Arky Vaughan - big outlier defensive season is why I'm penalizing a bit
5) Jimmie Foxx
6) Hank Greenberg
7) Joe Cronin
8) Bill Lee
9) Johnny Mize
10) Buck Leonard
11-20) Harlond Clift, Hilton Smith, Ival Goodman, Joe DiMaggio, Stan Hack, Bill Dickey, Paul Derringer, Red Ruffing, Charlie Gehringer, Buddy Myer
This is, of course, the year Paige's injury. He didn't fully recover until 1941.
I included Ray Brown's 1937 MLE because if you look at the Seamheads data it makes a lot more sense to swap his 1937 and 1938 seasons. His peak in the MLEs is 1937 and 1939 but his peak in real life was 1938 and 1940. I'm using the 1937 data for my ballot.
I will have to look into Dihigo:
1) Josh Gibson - not his best season but still in his prime and plenty good enough to be the top position player
2) Ray Brown - best pitcher
3) Arky Vaughan
4) Mel Ott
5) Joe Cronin
6) Martin Dihigo - peak pitching season for Dihigo and still a good hitter
7) Harlond Clift
8) Bill Lee
9) Hank Greenberg
10) Buck Leonard
11-15) Stan Hack, Jimmie Foxx, Bill Dickey, Buddy Myer, Johnny Mize
16-20) Quincy Trouppe, Hilton Smith, Red Ruffing, Ival Goodman, Ted Strong
21-25) Ernie Lombardi, Rudy York, Neil Robinson, Paul Derringer, Charlie Gehringer
https://remezcla.com/features/sports/the-secret-history-of-how-mexico-pushed-baseball-toward-racial-integration/
1) Ray Brown
2) Hilton Smith
3) Mel Ott
4) Jimmie Foxx
5) Arky Vaughn
6) Hank Greenberg
7) Stan Hack
8) Buck Leonard
9) Joe Cronin
10) Bill Lee
Since I'm just listing Win Shares, please consider this as my final ballot, and transfer it to the Ballot Thread when that's appropriate. - And THANKS, DL, for doing this for me, month after month!
If you check Win Shares, you will find the there are a lot of ties in 1938. The second through fourth ranks are all 34 WS; I ranked them by defensive position (by defensive reputation, at the same position), as my one sop to Positional Adjustments. Seventh and Eighth are both 30; I sorted them, too, by defensive position. . Ninth through 11th are all 28; I had to drop Johnny Mize from the Top Ten to make room for Ray Brown. I kept Bill Lee and Ival Goodman ahead of Mize because Lee is the highest ranked pitcher, and this is Ival's only chance ever at a Top Ten spot. Plus, Goodman was a real good defensive outfielder, while Mize was an OK 1B - sop to WAR.
1. Mel Ott (36)
2. Arky Vaughan (34)
3. Jimmie Foxx (34)
4. Hank Greenberg (34)
5. Stan Hack (33)
6. Ray Brown
7. Joe Cronin (30)
8. Joe DiMaggio (30)
9. Bill Lee (28)
10. Ival Goodman (28)
The Yankees used 4 pitchers in the entire World Series, 3 starters and a reliever. 2 complete game wins for Ruffing.
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