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Most Meritorious Player: 1940 Discussion

The Reds defeated the Tigers in seven games in the World Series. The Homestead Grays and Kansas City Monarchs won their respective leagues. Vote for your top 10.

Player			SH WS		BBR WAR
Johnny Mize		32.0		7.4
Lou Boudreau		29.4		6.0
Luke Appling		29.4		5.4
Hank Greenberg		31.3		7.1
Arky Vaughan		30.7		6.3
Joe DiMaggio		31.3		7.3
Ted Williams		30.1		6.4
Stan Hack		26.3		5.5
Rudy York		26.0		5.3
Joe Cronin		23.6		4.0
Billy Werber		27.2		4.5
Dolph Camilli		25.5		5.0
Lonny Frey		25.1		5.9
Charlie Keller		24.5		5.4
Harlond Clift		23.2		4.4
Mel Ott			23.4		5.2
Eddie Miller		20.6		4.8
Jimmie Foxx		24.2		5.2
Terry Moore		22.1		4.4
Cecil Travis		22.1		3.8
Elbie Fletcher		25.5		4.9
Jim Gleeson		20.4		4.2
Frank McCormick		25.9		5.7
Hal Trosky		25.6		4.1
Bobby Doerr		21.4		3.3
Barney McCosky		23.8		4.0
Enos Slaughter		21.2		3.9
Bill Nicholson		20.1		4.1
Billy Herman		16.4		3.4
Buddy Lewis		21.5		3.5
Pinky May		15.7		3.6
Wally Moses		20.3		3.8
Johnny Rizzo		19.2		3.7
Harry Danning		21.0		3.8
Debs Garms		18.6		3.5
Joe Gordon		26.4		5.8
Joe Kuhel		23.2		3.6
Ernie Lombardi		18.8		3.9

Buck Leonard		14.0		2.6
Bus Clarkson		7.4		1.5
Monte Irvin		8.1		1.6
Ed Mayweather		6.9		1.2
Jesse Williams		8.5		1.4
Lennie Pearson		7.8		1.5
George Scales		11.0		1.9
Bill Hoskins		10.2		1.7

Josh Gibson
Cool Papa Bell
Willard Brown
Leon Day

Pitcher			SH WS		BBR WAR
Bob Feller		35.1		9.8
Claude Passeau		26.4		7.1
Bobo Newsom		26.0		7.5
Bucky Walters		31.6		6.7
Schoolboy Rowe		17.0		5.8
Larry French		17.6		5.1
Paul Derringer		25.1		3.4
Ken Chase		20.6		4.7
Elden Auker		20.6		4.7
Dutch Leonard		20.9		4.8
Johnny Rigney		22.8		6.6
Rip Sewell		14.7		4.6
Whit Wyatt		16.0		4.5
Kirby Higbe		20.3		4.3
Al Milnar		18.4		2.5
Tommy Bridges		16.6		4.9
Dick Errickson		17.9		4.2
Vern Olsen		14.1		4.2
Johnny Babich		15.1		4.0
Hal Schumaker		16.7		4.1
Lon Warneke		17.7		4.3
Thornton Lee		17.1		4.3
Tiny Bonham		12.0		3.2
Hugh Mulcahy		17.6		2.9

Ray Brown		25.1		7.8

Satchel Paige
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   1. DL from MN Posted: January 23, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5611814)
EricC MLE calculations
Year Age Lg Pos    PA Rbat Rbaser Rdp Rfield Rpos RAA   WAA Rrep  RAR   WAR
Buck Leonard
1940  32 NL 1B    630   35   -1    0     2   - 6   30   3.1   20   49   5.2

Monte Irvin
1940  21 NL CF    620   24    4    0     4   - 1   31   3.3   19   51   5.3

Josh Gibson
1940 28 NL C/1B   560   60    0    0     1     1   62   6.3   17   79   8.2

               PITCHING          |  BATTING     |  TOTAL
YEAR  AGE   IP  RAA   WAA   WAR  |    PA   WAR  |   WAR
Satchel Paige
1940   33  190   27   2.7   4.7  |    63   0.1  |   4.7

Ray Brown
1940   32  270   27   2.9   5.7  |   90   0.6  |   6.2
   2. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 23, 2018 at 02:27 PM (#5611841)
I know you have a schedule that was determined awhile ago, but putting 1940 here is just a smidge too early for me. Retrosheet is currently in the process of deducing the 1940 season - we're in late August and full data (with, admittedly, probably a couple hundred games "deduced") should be part of Retrosheet's NEXT release, probably in late June. I may try to put a ballot together anyway, but I have to think about what I want to use to supplement my missing games (including, of course, missing Negro Leaguers - thanks for #1).
   3. DL from MN Posted: January 23, 2018 at 02:29 PM (#5611845)
By the NGL stats this is Ray Brown's best season.
   4. DL from MN Posted: January 23, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5611860)
Retrosheet is currently in the process of deducing the 1940 season

Interesting. Seamheads has recently released 1940-1945 data for the Negro Leaguers and should have 1946 in their next release. I really don't know where else to go if we don't do 1940 next. I don't want to put elections on hold until August. We have completed 1950-2017 and 1901-1911.
   5. DL from MN Posted: January 23, 2018 at 03:06 PM (#5611910)
1940 Prelim

1) Bob Feller - so many innings
2) Claude Passeau
3) Ray Brown - projecting pitching not quite as good as Bobo Newsom but with more bat
4) Lou Boudreau
5) Johnny Mize
6) Luke Appling
7) Hank Greenberg
8) Josh Gibson - in the prime of his career but no NGL stats due to playing in the Mexican League. My comp for Josh Gibson is usually Jimmie Foxx but playing catcher instead of first base
9) Bobo Newsom
10) Arky Vaughan

11-15) Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, Stan Hack, Bucky Walters, Billy Werber
16-20) Joe Cronin, Schoolboy Rowe, Rudy York, Joe Gordon, Lonnie Frey
21-25) Dolph Camilli, Bus Clarkson, Monte Irvin, Charlie Keller, Larry French

Buck Leonard just ahead of Mel Ott and Jimmie Foxx but all off ballot.

   6. DL from MN Posted: January 23, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5611922)
If I give Josh Gibson that entire MLE he's the clear #1 position player

1940 Veracruz 22 92 32 43 7 4 11 38 3 16 .467 .989
   7. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 23, 2018 at 03:16 PM (#5611931)
Interesting. Seamheads has recently released 1940-1945 data for the Negro Leaguers and should have 1946 in their next release. I really don't know where else to go if we don't do 1940 next. I don't want to put elections on hold until August. We have completed 1950-2017 and 1901-1911.

I don't expect you to do anything. I'll work with the data I have available to me. Retrosheet works backwards in time: they started deducing 1949, then, 1948, etc. They've finished deducting seasons back to 1941; when we finish 1940, we move to 1939.

Actually, since I've been deducing games from 1940 for the past few months, I kind of feel like I know this season pretty well right now. Although better for the teams for which Retrosheet has the fewest play-by-play accounts.
   8. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 23, 2018 at 03:25 PM (#5611943)
My comp for Josh Gibson is usually Jimmie Foxx but playing catcher instead of first base

Here's a fun 1940 fact that I learned from deducing Red Sox games. Jimmie Foxx actually caught more games in 1940 than in any other season of his career. He caught 42 games - 39 starts - from July 31 through September 12 - because of injuries to the Red Sox' regular catchers (Gene Desautels and Johnny Peacock). This evening, I'll be deducing a doubleheader between the Browns and Red Sox on August 25th in which Foxx caught both ends - while going 4-for-7 with a grand slam as part of an 11-run 6th inning Game 2.

Hall-of-Famers playing out of position is actually a bit of a theme I've run into lately. Mel Ott played some third base because of injuries (ironically, same as Foxx at C - 42 games, 39 starts); I ran into Paul Waner playing 1B (only 8 games, 7 starts); and, of course, Hank Greenberg was voted American League MVP as the Tigers' regular left fielder.
   9. Carl Goetz Posted: January 23, 2018 at 03:46 PM (#5611960)
Out of curiousity, what's involved in deducing games?
   10. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 23, 2018 at 04:04 PM (#5611983)
Out of curiousity, what's involved in deducing games?

Retrosheet has box scores - which are fairly detailed, although some modern stats weren't officially tracked in 1940 (sac flies, intentional walks; caught stealings were only an official statistic in the AL). And then we collect as many game stories as we can - there were a LOT more newspapers in 1940 than today, so, for example, Boston and St. Louis both had 3 newspapers, so we can have as many as 6 game stories for a Red Sox - Browns game (or a Cardinals - Bees game - the Boston Braves were the Bees for a few years ending in late 1941, I believe). In some cases, we also may have snippets of play-by-play - a number of newspapers would print play-by-play data and sometimes if the game wasn't over before the paper had to go to press, they'd just print as much as they had (a couple of Chicago papers - the Sun and Herald-American, mostly the latter - would also occasionally do this weird thing, where they'd print 1-3 innings of play-by-play, but not from the start of the game; they'd have a game story covering, say, the first 3 innings, and then append play-by-play for the 4th and 5th innings at the end of the story).

Then, it's basically a giant logic problem. Newspaper coverage of run-scoring innings tends to be very good. If you're lucky, you'll also get coverage of one or two non-run-scoring innings that were particularly noteworthy. If a batter extended a hitting streak, sometimes there'll be a note about exactly what inning he got the hit. Particularly good defensive plays may be noted. There are occasional photos where the caption may describe the play and, if you're lucky, identify the inning it took place.

For me, I have a spreadsheet where I set up basically how the batter-pitcher matchups go in order (one of the pieces of info in the Retrosheet box scores is batters faced by pitcher (BFP)) and start filling in details from the game stories. Usually, after you fill in everything you know, you're left with uncertainties that you just have to fill in as best you can to get the game totals to match the box score. Frequently, you have to guess about where to stick fielder errors and occasionally you have to arbitrarily pick a guy off just to get things to work. Although sometimes, when you work through the 4 or 5 or whatever game stories, you realize that you only have one missing baserunner and it has to be the one guy whose hit is unaccounted for and you basically end up with a complete account. The one caveat there - you're almost never going to get details on most batting outs - unless you have play-by-play - so deduced games have a lot of plays coded as "99" - which is Retrosheet's code for, "I know this batter made an out on a ball in play, but I have no idea exactly how."
   11. MrC. Posted: January 27, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5614347)
1. As we go back to the 40s, I have had to make changes in my evaluation process. I will still be using a WAR framework, but some of the inputs have to change. The major changes are necessitated because of the number of games for which we have no play by play data and as a result no value added runs available. As a result, for hitters, I will be using custom linear weights calculated from base runs and for pitchers, base runs, to determine RAA.

Some adjustments, such as for non SB base running, for differences in pitcher role and for leverage index can not be made.

i will still be using DRA for the defensive adjustment, but will regress by 20%

2. The other issue, at least for me, is lack of knowledge and skill to accurately evaluate players from the NGL . I am pleased to see that DL has provided MLE calculations for, I assume, the most important players for 1940 in the discussion above. From these calculations, it seems quite obviously that Josh Gibson belongs on the ballot. However i am a bit confused by Roy Brown's numbers. In the list at the top, his WAR, from Seamheads I assume, is listed at 7.8 WAR,but as a MLE it is 6.2. Am I correct in assuming that the MLE value is the most accurate for our purposes.

With that being said, here is my first run at a ballot.

1. Bob Feller 8.50 WARR Even with adjustments for a good defense and pitching in a pitcher's park, still 2+ runs above average per game over 320 innings. What more can you ask?
2. Hank Greenburg 7.45 WARR best hitter (by 10 runs); average fielding.
3. Ted Williams 7.25 WARR Second best hitter, at this point still an above average fielder and even pitched 3 innings
4. Joe DiMaggio 6.88 WAR Solis all arounfd player.
5. Josh Gibson 7.44 WAR Very easily could fit in behind Greenburg on final ballot
6. Claude Passeau 6.48 Noone else in the NL even close.
7. Johhny Mize. 6.14 WARR Best NL hitter by 25 Runs, but position and below average fielding adjustments lower rating
8. Arky Vaughn 6.03 WARR Best MI Hitter, average fielder
9. Lonny Frey 5.93 WARR Only an average hitter but great fielder
10. Rudy York 5.91 WARR

Rest of the top 15
11. Charlie Keller
12. Bobo Newsom
13. Johnny Rigney
14. Luke Appling
15. Jpe Gordon

Using the MLE provided Joe Brown finishes off the ballot by a little less than a run.

Any thoughts on NGL evaluations gratefully received.

   12. MrC. Posted: January 27, 2018 at 02:49 PM (#5614395)
"Ray Brown"
   13. DL from MN Posted: January 27, 2018 at 09:02 PM (#5614518)
The MLEs I posted are most likely based on a 3 year running average. Baseball Gauge has the actual stats for Brown. Gibson's stats are from his wiki page. Remember that Baseball Gauge WAR and Win Shares for Negro Leaguers is relative to the Negro League play and not translated to MLB.
   14. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: January 29, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5615067)
1940 prelim:

1) Josh Gibson. I know the MLE listed above is based on some sort of running/career average, but a couple of things: Dr. Chaleeko, in his evaluations, projects Gibson over the course of his career as transitioning from catcher to 1b, a la Mauer or Posey. In 1940, he has Gibson splitting his time pretty evenly between the two positions. So if you project Gibson as a full-time catcher, he deserves about a half-win more in positional adjustment. Alternatively, Dan R projected a WARP for Gibson in 1940 of 8.4, using the MLEs provided by Chris Cobb based upon the MeL stats for Gibson from Holway. If his value is in this 8-9 win range, with any sort of catcher bonus, he's the number 1 player on the board for 1940 (personally - I use the Dan R numbers for Gibson for his Mexican League seasons - until SH publishes data for those years and Eric updates the MLEs - and Eric's MLEs for the rest of Gibson's seasons - but with positional adjustments made to reflect the positions Gibson actually played in those years - Primarily catcher, of course).

2) Bob Feller
3) Joe DiMaggio - AL MMPosition Player
4) Hank Greenberg
5) Johnny Mize - NL MMP
6) Arky Vaughan
7) Lonny Frey
8) Joe Gordon
9) Claude Passeau - NL MMPitcher
10) Ted Williams

11-15) Lou Boudreau, Bobo Newsome, Ray Brown, Luke Appling, Charlie Keller.
   15. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: February 04, 2018 at 07:01 PM (#5619156)

1) Josh Gibson C
2) Joe DiMaggio CF
3) Ray Brown SP
4) Bob Feller SP
5) Claude Passeau SP
6) Hank Greenberg LF
7) Bucky Walters SP
8) Arky Vaughan SS
9) Johnny Mize 1B
10) Ted Williams LF
   16. Qufini Posted: February 10, 2018 at 04:20 PM (#5623002)
1940 Prelim Ballot

1. Josh Gibson, C, Homestead/Veracruz: head-to-head with Greenberg, Gibson comes out on top thanks to 60 runs batting and catcher bonus
2. Hank Greenberg, LF, Detroit Tigers: the best player in the Major Leagues with 171 OPS+ and 166 RC, though only -2 fielding
3. Bob Feller, P, Cleveland Indians: 163 ERA+ to go along with MLB leading 320 IP
4. Johnny Mize, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals: best player in the NL thanks to 177 OPS+ and 147 RC
5. Joe DiMaggio, CF, New York Yankees: 173 OPS+ and +4 fielding but only 132 games or he might have jumped into the top two
6. Bucky Walters, P, Cincinnati Reds: the real MVP of the Reds with a 154 ERA+ in 305 IP
7. Ted Williams, LF, Boston Red Sox: 161 OPS+ and 145 RC
8. Ray Brown, P, Homestead Grays: leads the Negro Leagues with both a 257 ERA+ and 153 IP
9. Bobo Newsom, P, Detroit Tigers: AL leading 168 ERA+ in 264 IP
10. Bus Clarkson, SS, Newark Eagles: 195 OPS+ leads the Negro Leagues while playing shortstop

11. Claude Passeau, P, Chicago Cubs: 149 ERA+ in 280 IP
12. Jimmie Foxx, 1B/C, Boston Red Sox
13. Rudy York, 1B, Detroit Tigers
14. Buck Leonard, 1B, Homestead Grays
15. Johnny Rigney, P, Chicago White Sox
16. Arky Vaughan, SS, Pittsburgh Pirates
17. Paul Derringer, P, Cincinnati Reds
18. Joe Gordon, 2B, New York Yankees
19. Stan Hack, 3B, Chicago Cubs
20. Ernie Lombardi, C, Cincinnati Reds
   17. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: February 10, 2018 at 07:42 PM (#5623059)
1) Josh Gibson C
2) Joe DiMaggio CF
3) Ray Brown SP
4) Bob Feller SP
5) Claude Passeau SP
6) Hank Greenberg LF
7) Bucky Walters SP
8) Arky Vaughan SS
9) Johnny Mize 1B
10) Ted Williams LF

I have decided to add Buck Leonard at #8, so The Splendid Splinter will drop off.
   18. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: February 10, 2018 at 07:53 PM (#5623065)
I have decided to add Buck Leonard at #8, so The Splendid Splinter will drop off.

Just curious: what was the reason for choosing Leonard over Irvin?
   19. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: February 10, 2018 at 08:09 PM (#5623070)

Just curious: what was the reason for choosing Leonard over Irvin?

Because I forgot about Irvin? :-) I 'll try to go over his numbers tomorrow.
   20. Qufini Posted: February 10, 2018 at 08:12 PM (#5623072)
I thought I'd comment on my vote for Bus Clarkson. According to the figures above, Clarkson has about half of the WS and WAR of Buck Leonard. However, that's primarily a playing time issue. And, in this case, the playing time issue isn't about Clarkson's skills or health but about the volatility of the Negro Leagues. Clarkson started the 1940 season with the Toledo Crawfords. However, the Crawfords struggled financially. They missed a bunch of games, moved to Indianapolis and then folded partway through the season. Clarkson promptly signed with the Newark Eagles. He played regularly for the Eagles and the bulk of his Negro League numbers come from his stint with Newark. However, Clarkson didn't finish the season there. He jumped teams again, signing with Nuevo Laredo in the Mexican League. Clarkson finished out the summer in Mexico and stuck around for the winter league as well.

Clarkson finished 2nd in the Negro National League in home runs despite playing what was essentially half a season. He also led the league in OPS+ with 197 as noted above. Clarkson hit as well in Mexico (.338) as he did in the Negro Leagues (.343). I therefore prorated Clarkson's numbers to a full season. That made him equal offensively to Buck Leonard. With the positional bonus from playing shortstop instead of first, Clarkson hopped several spots ahead of Leonard (#14) and onto my ballot at #10.
   21. Qufini Posted: February 10, 2018 at 08:12 PM (#5623073)
Irvin had a good year but not as good as Leonard, Clarkson or Gibson.
   22. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: February 12, 2018 at 10:28 AM (#5623429)
Irvin had a good year but not as good as Leonard, Clarkson or Gibson.

Agreed. It's an okay season, but not really a great one. As for Clarkson, I have him currently at #17.
   23. DL from MN Posted: February 12, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5623483)
Good info on Bus Clarkson missing time by switching teams. I am seeing his season as similar in production to Stan Hack now. Just off-ballot.
   24. DL from MN Posted: February 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM (#5623514)
Willard Brown MLE
YEAR LG AGE PO  AVG  OBP  SLG    G   PA   AB    H   TB  BB ops+ sfws
1940 NL 25  of .299 .315 .400  138  538  525  157  210  13  96  15.5

Year Age Lg Pos   PA Rbat Rbaser Rdp Rfield Rpos RAA   WAA  Rrep RAR   WAR
1940  25 AL  CF  590   15    3    0     4    -1   20   1.9   20   40   3.9
   25. DL from MN Posted: February 12, 2018 at 12:13 PM (#5623517)
Cool Papa Bell MLE
Year Age Lg Pos   PA Rbat Rbaser Rdp Rfield Rpos RAA   WAA Rrep  RAR   WAR
1940  37 NL CF   480   15    3    0    -1   - 1   16   1.6   15   31   3.2
   26. DL from MN Posted: February 12, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5623524)
Bill Byrd MLE
                PITCHING         |   BATTING   |  TOTAL
YEAR  AGE   IP  RAA   WAA   WAR  |   PA   WAR  |   WAR
1940   32  270   28   3.1   5.8  |   90   0.4  |   6.2

Dave Barnhill

                PITCHING         |   BATTING   |  TOTAL
YEAR  AGE   IP  RAA   WAA   WAR  |   PA   WAR  |   WAR
1940   26  270   27   2.9   5.7  |   90   0.3  |   6.0
   27. bjhanke Posted: February 20, 2018 at 04:20 AM (#5627232)
Kiko - I should have figured out long since that those of you who are painstakingly trying to actually create decent records of Negro League and other negro baseball activities would use archives of newspapers. You mentioned three in St. Louis alone (there were actually four mainstream - white - papers in STL in early days - the Post, the Dispatch, the Globe, and the Democrat. By the time I was a kid in the 1950s, these had merged down into the Globe-Democrat (morning) and the Post-Dispatch (evening). The Globe often had very short mentions of games, especially as night ball began, because it was the morning paper. It's also been defunct for decades, and the Post has become a morning paper now. The Post is a better source for detailed accounts of the previous day's games unit the Globe collapsed. However, you mentioned a third. I don't know what that was, but there are two I can recommend for negro ball research. One is the St. Louis American, a weekly paper that has served the black community very well since 1928, and is still going. If you're trying to find accounts for games before 1928, the St. Louis Argus ran from 1915 through 1945, and online archives are available of the Argus. I've seen issues of the American, and imagine that that's the one that you're using. I've never actually seen a copy of the Argus, but it does date back before 1928. Just thought I'd try to help, just in case this info had somehow slipped through all your fingers (unlikely, but I'd feel stupid if I did NOT mention this and you didn't know it).

Also, on Hank Greenberg in Left Field in 1940. This was a desperation decision by the Tigers. They had Greenberg, but also had Rudy York, a very good slugger, half Amerindian and a known alcoholic. They had tried for a few years to make York into their catcher, but it wasn't taking, although he had an arm. He also couldn't run, so, in 1940, they moved him to 1B and that's what led to Greenberg's move to the outfield. York remained the Tiger first baseman through WWII, since Greenberg was in the Army. The Tigers offloaded him to the Red Sox pretty much as soon as Greenberg came back, and his career just collapsed as soon as that happened. This is why Greenberg is in LF in 1940, not because the Tigers thought he could actually play the outfield. I tend to give Hank a little extra credit for that in this one year, because his defensive scores in the outfield don't really reflect his abilities. They reflect those of Rudy York.
   28. DL from MN Posted: February 23, 2018 at 01:03 PM (#5629615)
1940 World Series Reds 4 Tigers 3
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Lonny Frey 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0
Frank McCormick 7 28 2 6 1 0 0 0 1 1 .214 .241 .250 .491 0 0 1
Billy Werber 7 27 5 10 4 0 0 2 4 2 .370 .452 .519 .970 0 1 2
Bucky Walters 2 7 2 2 1 0 1 2 0 1 .286 .286 .857 1.143 0 0 0

Hank Greenberg 7 28 5 10 2 1 1 6 2 5 .357 .400 .607 1.007 0 0 0
Barney McCosky 7 23 5 7 1 0 0 1 7 0 .304 .467 .348 .814 0 0 0
Bobo Newsom 3 10 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .100 .100 .100 .200 0 0 0
Rudy York 7 26 3 6 0 1 1 2 4 7 .231 .333 .423 .756 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Bucky Walters 2 2 1.50 2 0 0 2 18.0 8 3 3 6 6 0.778

Tommy Bridges 1 1 3.00 1 0 0 1 9.0 10 4 3 1 5 1.222
Bobo Newsom 3 3 1.38 2 1 0 3 26.0 18 4 4 4 17 0.846
Schoolboy Rowe 2 2 17.18 0 2 0 0 3.2 12 7 7 1 1 3.545
   29. DL from MN Posted: February 23, 2018 at 01:05 PM (#5629617)
They didn't give out an MVP in the 1940 World Series but I'm pretty sure Bucky Walters would have won it. Two complete game victories and a game winning HR. Newsom, Greenberg and Werber were also terrific.
   30. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: March 03, 2018 at 08:13 PM (#5633424)
I'm having trouble posting on the 1940 ballot but here's my final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Division-contender.

1. Gibson
2. Feller--top AL pitcherand player
3. Greenberg
4. Mize--it's amazing that the VC had to elect him to the HOF
5. Brown
6. Dimaggio
7. Walters
8. Newsom
9. Ted Williams
10.McCormick--Cincy's dominance helped him sneak in over Vaughn & others
   31. Qufini Posted: March 06, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5634457)
Tubbs, do you want someone to move your ballot over to the voting thread?

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