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Most Meritorious Player: 1947 Ballot

For 1947 each voter should rank the top 10 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 3 October 2018.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 2 Oct 2018.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: September 24, 2018 at 01:03 PM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: September 24, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5750658)
1947 Ballot

1) Ted Williams - triple crown winner
2) Warren Spahn - Ate innings at an above average rate
3) Ewell Blackwell - Bad hitter
4) Ralph Kiner - 2nd best hitter in baseball, best in NL
5) Bob Elliott - more good SS than good 3B this season
6) Lou Boudreau
7) Johnny Mize - 3rd best bat
8) Hal Newhouser - good hitter for a pitcher
9) Dutch Leonard
10) Vern Stephens - Close to Rizzuto. Stephens had more bat and good glove. Rizzuto had great glove and enough bat plus he had some postseason success.

11-15) Phil Rizzuto, Pee Wee Reese, Harry Walker, Tommy Henrich, Fred Hutchinson
16-20) Henry Kimbro, Sam Jethroe, Minnie Minoso, Ralph Branca, Ed Lopat
   2. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 24, 2018 at 02:48 PM (#5750749)
Official 1947 MMP Ballot (no postseason bonuses and a slight reduction for AL players):

1) Ted Williams: Best ML player and left fielder - no one close to Teddy Ballgame.
2) Ralph Kiner: Best NL player and left fielder.
3) Warren Spahn - Best ML pitcher - very close to having been second on my ballot.
4) Johnny Mize: Best ML first baseman.
5) Joe DiMaggio: Best ML center fielder.
6) Bob Elliott: Best ML third baseman.
7) Lou Boudreau: Best ML shortstop.
8) Ewell Blackwell: Best ML sidearmer.
9) Dutch Leonard: Best ML knuckleballer.
10) Joe Gordon: Best ML second baseman.

Best AL pitcher: Hal Newhouser
Best NeL player: Larry Doby.
   3. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: October 01, 2018 at 11:32 AM (#5756236)
1947 MMP ballot:

1. Ted Williams (27.43)
2. Ewell Blackwell (19.58) - NL MMP
3. Ralph Kiner (18.99) - NL MMPosition Player
4. Warren Spahn (18.77)
5. Lou Boudreau (17.42)
6. Joe Gordon (16.50)
7. Johnny Mize (15.37)
8. Hal Newhouser (14.06) - AL MMPitcher
9. Pee Wee Reese (13.27)
10. Don Newcombe (13.07)

11-17. Bob Elliott, Conrado Marrero, Walker Cooper, Harry Walker, Ralph Branca, Dutch Leonard, Monte Irvin.
   4. caiman Posted: October 01, 2018 at 04:47 PM (#5756888)
Here's my RPA top players with runs produced above the median:

1. Ted Williams 77.48 runs
2. Ralph Kiner 51.59 runs
3. Johnny Mize 45.54 runs
4. Joe DiMaggio 39.84 runs
5. Bob Elliott 34.79 runs
6. Augie Galan 30.28 runs
7. Warren Spahn 29.83 runs
8. Tommy Henrich 39.67 runs
9. Whitey Kurowski 28.01 runs
10. George McQuinn 27.73 runs
11. Joe Gordon 27.43 runs
12. Earl Torgeson 27.15 runs
13. Roy Cullenbine 26.62 runs
   5. DL from MN Posted: October 02, 2018 at 10:08 AM (#5757195)
Going to accept #4 as a ballot. No reason to insist on considering Negro League players this season and 1948-1949.
   6. MrC. Posted: October 02, 2018 at 10:36 AM (#5757219)
1947 Ballot
1. Ted Williams 10.06 WARR
2. Warren Spahn 7.75 WARR
3. Lou Boudreau 7.60 WARR
4. Ralph Kiner 7.58 WARR
5. Ewell Blackwell 7.21 WARR
6. Harry walker 6.43 WARR
7. Joe Gordon 6.18 WARR
8. Johnny Mize 6.14 WARR
9. Bob Elliott 6.04 WARR
10. Hal Newhouser 5.78 WARR

Rest of the top 15
Willard Marshall
Ralph Branca
Pee Wee Reese
Eddie Lopat
Tommy Heinrich
   7. bjhanke Posted: October 03, 2018 at 01:31 AM (#5759092)
A strange year. The WAR vs. Win Shares disconnects that I’ve been complaining about in later seasons, but which had largely disappeared in the 1940s here, returned with a vengeance. Joe DiMaggio, for example, ranks 7th in Win Shares, which I imagine everyone thinks reasonable. But WAR has him way down at 24th. I have no idea why. Tommy Heinrich ranked 10th and 26th. Johnny Pesky was even worse, at 12th and 38th. Phil Rizzuto, 13th and 39th. The pitchers, as in later years, go the other way. Dutch Leonard ranks 9th in WAR, but 25th in Win Shares. Hal Newhouser, 10th and 20th. Eddie Lopat, 15th and 35th. This is why I take the average of the two systems. Somebody’s off the reservation on all of these guys, but I don’t know which system is off on which player. It did help that there is a LOT of consensus at the very top, including complete consensus on spots 1 and 2, and the 3rd and 4th spots are also very close. Anyway, it being the deadline, here’s the rankings. Oh, I should mention that, as far as I can tell, Monte Irvin is the best player in the Negro Leagues in 1947. I may not vote for any Negro Leaguers in 1948, although Irvin is still playing there.

1. Ted Williams
2. Warren Spahn
3. Ralph Kiner
4. Ewell Blackwell
5. Johnny Mize
6. Lou Boudreau
7. Bob Elliott
8. Pee Wee Reese
9. Joe Gordon
10. Monte Irvin

   8. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: October 03, 2018 at 08:23 AM (#5759129)
Final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Division-contender

1. Ted Williams -easy number one, real life MVP voters blew this vote
2. Ralph Kiner -edges Mize for top NL
3. Johnny Mize -probably greatest player snubbed by BBWAA in HOF voting
4. Ewell Blackwell -just ahead of Spahn for top hurler
5. Warren Spahn
6. Lou Boudreau
7. Bob Elliott
8. Pee Wee Reese
9. Joe Gordon
10.Joe Dimaggio

DiMaggio just edges Whitey Kurowski
Bob Feller top AL pitcher
Luke Appling nearly makes it as a 40-year old shortstop
   9. Qufini Posted: October 03, 2018 at 02:48 PM (#5759509)
1947 Ballot

1. Ted Williams, LF, Boston Red Sox: laps the AL with 205 OPS+ (51 pts better than 2nd) and 166 RC (57 pts)
2. Ralph Kiner, LF, Pittsburgh Pirates: leads the NL with 173 OPS+ and 150 RC
3. Warren Spahn, P, Boston Braves: leads MLB with 170 ERA+; leads NL with 289 IP
4. Bob Feller, P, Cleveland Indians: leads MLB with 299 IP; 130 ERA+ ain't too shabby either
5. Lou Boudreau, SS, Cleveland Indians: 128 OPS+ and +19 fielding
6. Hal Newhouser, P, Detroit Tigers: 132 OPS+ and 285 IP
7. Ewell Blackwell, P, Chicago Cubs: 168 ERA+ and 273 IP but that -28 OPS+ holds him back
8. Johnny Mize, 1B, New York Giants: 2nd in NL with 160 OPS+ and 137 RC
9. Joe Gordon, 2B, Cleveland Indians: third Indian on the ballot thanks to 135 OPS+ and +15 fielding
10. Joe DiMaggio, CF, New York Yankees: 2nd best bat in the AL with 154 OPS+ and 109 RC

11. Ralph Branca, P, Brooklyn Dodgers: just misses out to the Yankee Clipper
12. Walker Cooper, C, New York Giants
13. Bob Elliott, 3B, Boston Braves
14. Whitey Kurowski, 3B, St. Louis Cardinals
15. Johnny Pesky, SS, Boston Red Sox
   10. DL from MN Posted: October 05, 2018 at 12:12 PM (#5761109)
Election is over but I'm not near the computer where I keep the results. Expect results Monday.

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