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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Thursday, December 20, 2018Most Meritorious Player: 1949 BallotFor 1949 each voter should rank the top 10 players from all leagues combined. Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 2 January 2019. Let me know if there is a conflict due to the holidays and I can extend. Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 1 Jan 2019. For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots. |
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1. DL from MN Posted: December 20, 2018 at 10:13 AM (#5799445)1) Stan Musial - Great bat but it is his glovework that makes the difference
2) Ted Williams - Higher standard deviations in run scoring in the AL versus the NL (0.913 v 0.953) but still the best bat
3) Jackie Robinson - Closer to #5 than to #2
4) Mel Parnell - 315 innings with good run prevention
5) Eddie Joost - similar value at the plate to Robinson, better defensive value. They are very close
6) Ralph Kiner - 2nd best bat but below average glove
7) Pee Wee Reese - postseason bonus
8) Bob Lemon - good hitting helps him make the list
9) Vern Stephens
10) Virgil Trucks - not good at the plate
11-15) Enos Slaughter, Don Newcombe, Howie Pollet, Ken Heintzelman, Preacher Roe
16-21) Dave Koslo, Hal Newhouser, Roy Campanella, Bob Elliott, Bobby Thomson, Bobby Doerr
1. Ted Williams, LF, Boston Red Sox: 191 OPS+ and 180 RC are 43 and 52 pts better than 2nd place in the AL
2. Jackie Robinson, 2B, Brooklyn Dodgers: would have loved to vote him first but the numbers just aren't there to displace Ted
3. Stan Musial, LF/CF, St. Louis Cardinals: 177 OPS+ is 2nd in NL, 167 RC are 1st
4. Ralph Kiner, LF, Pittsburgh Pirates: 186 OPS+ is 1st in NL, 156 RC are 2nd; the difference between Stan and Ralph are the partial CF bonus for Stan and -4 fielding for Ralph
5. Vern Stephens, SS, Boston Red Sox: a career year with 137 OPS+ and +10 fielding at short
6. Mel Parnell, P, Boston Red Sox: best pitcher in MLB with 158 ERA+ in 295 IP
7. Eddie Joost, SS, Philadelphia Athletics: another career year for a SS with a 137 OPS+ and +6 fielding
8. Virgil Trucks, P, Detroit Tigers: 148 ERA+ in 275 IP
9. Warren Spahn, P, Boston Braves: 302 IP leads MLB; 124 ERA+ is tied for 10th in NL
10. Bobby Doerr, 2B, Boston Red Sox: the fourth BoSox player on the list with 127 OPS+ and +11 fielding at the keystone
11. Bob Lemon, P, Cleveland Indians
12. Hal Newhouser, P, Detroit Tigers
13. Don Newcombe, P, Brooklyn Dodgers: minor league credit makes him the 2nd best pitcher in the NL
14. Enos Slaughter, RF, St. Louis Cardinals
15. Sid Gordon, 3B, New York Giants
16. Pee Wee Reese, SS, Brooklyn Dodgers
17. Bobby Thomson, CF, New York Giants
18. Roy Campanella, C, Brooklyn Dodgers
19. George Kell, 3B, Detroit Tigers
20. Cass Michaels, 2B, Chicago White Sox: I don't think I'd ever heard of Cass before looking up this year's numbers
1. Jackie Robinson 9.14 WARR
2. Ted Williams 8.68 WARR
3. Mel Parnell 7.53 WARR
4. Howie Pollet 7.12 WARR
5. Virgil Trucks 6.94 WARR
6. Stan Musial 6.59 WARR
7. Vern Stephens 6.59 WARR
8. Bob Lemon 6.57 WARR
9. Ralph Kiner 6.18 WARR
10. Bobby Thomson 5.99 WARR
Rest of the top 15
Hal Newhouser
Eddie Joost
Warren Spahn
Elmer Valo
Dave Koslo
1 Stan Musial
2 Jackie Robsinson
3 Ted Williams
4 Ralph Kiner
5 Mel Parnell
6 Pee Wee Reese
7 Eddie Joost
8 Vern Stephens
9 Enos Slaughter
10 Virgil Trucks
1. Jackie Robinson (26.85)
2. Stan Musial (22.15)
3. Ted William (20.04) - AL MMP
4. Mel Parnell (18.72) - AL MMPitcher
5. Ralph Kiner (17.96)
6. Conrado Marrero (16.50)
7. Don Newcombe (14.87) - NL MMPitcher
8. Howie Pollett (13.83)
9. Vern Stephens (13.81)
10. Pee Wee Reese (13.78)
11-15. Virgil Trucks, Enos Slaughter, Roy Campanella, Bobby Thompson, Hal Newhouser.
1949 mWAR All-Stars
c - Roy Camapnella
1b - Mickey Vernon
2b - Jackie Robinson
ss - Vern Stephens
3b - Bob Elliott
lf - Ted Williams
cf - Bobby Thompson
rf - Stan Musial
sp - Mel Parnell, Conrado Marrero, Don Newcombe, Howie Pollett, Virgil Trucks
rp - Joe Page
1. Ted Williams--gawdy power & OBP totals
2. Stan Musial
3. Jackie Robinson--top 3 close
4. Ralph Kiner--gap to #4 & another gap to #6
5. Vern Stephens--also known as Nomar Garciaparra
6. Mel Parnell--top pitcher
7. Pee Wee Reese
8. Eddie Joost--an A's player with excellent OBP years before Billy Beane's Moneyball crew
9. Bob Lemon--bat helped
10.Don Newcombe--bat, play in minors & pioneer status helped edge Virgil Trucks for last spot
Eric Chalek’s MLE for Marrero have him at 260 ip / 7.5 WAR for 1949. And that’s with a manual override because the raw numbers translated to higher.
As to why Marrero was mediocre in the majors, maybe he fell off a mini-cliff when he hit 39. Maybe it was because, as Eric wrote in his Marrero MLE piece, that Marrero was a fly all pitcher and the Senators had an atrocious outfield defense. I’m not sure. But that’s just what the MLE works out to in my system.
Ted Williams: Best ML player and left fielder.
Stan Musial: Best NL player and ML right fielder.
Jackie Robinson: Best ML second baseman.
Ralph Kiner: Best NL left fielder.
Mel Parnell: Best ML pitcher.
Eddie Joost: Best ML shortstop.
Bob Lemon:
Pee Wee Reese: Best NL shortstop.
Vern Stephens
Virgil Trucks
Best NL pitcher: Warren Spahn
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