Posting early to make sure I get it posted

1. Al Rosen
2. Robin Roberts
3. Roy Campanella
4. Warren Spahn
5. Eddie Mathews
6. Duke Snider
7. Stan Musial
8. Harvey Haddix
9. Jackie Robinson
10. Red Schoendienst
11-15: Yogi Berra, Virgil Trucks, Ray Boone, Richie Ashburn, Mickey Vernon
16-20: Billy Pierce, Mickey Mantle, Solly Hemus, Jim Busby, Eddie Yost

Just as an FYI - if you haven't listed your best pitcher/position player in the AL or NL keep listing until you do. People here like to keep track of that.

1953 Ballot

1) Robin Roberts - incredible bulk pitching performance. He's nearly as far above Spahn than Rosen is above Mathews
2) Al Rosen - Best season in a peaky career
3) Warren Spahn
4) Roy Campanella - C bonus, small postseason bonus
5) Duke Snider - postseason bonus
6) Eddie Mathews
7) Stan Musial
8) Harvey Haddix
9) Yogi Berra - C bonus, postseason bonus
10) Red Schoendienst

11-15) Virgil Trucks, Jackie Robinson, Mickey Vernon, Ray Boone, Billy Pierce

Official 1953 Ballot (no postseason credit, but league adjustments for AL players):

1) Al Rosen: Best ML player and third baseman - greatest season ever for that position?; MVP for my Diamond Mind team and possibly for the league only very recently.
2) Eddie Mathews: Best NL player and third baseman.
3) Warren Spahn: Best ML pitcher.
4) Robin Roberts: Yeah, he was good, too. :-D
5) Duke Snider: Best ML center fielder.
6) Roy Campanella: Best ML catcher.
7) Stan Musial: Best ML multi-positional player.
8) Harvey Haddix
9) Mickey Vernon: Best ML first baseman.
10) Yogi Berra: Best AL catcher.

1953 Ballot

1. Al Rosen, 3B, Cleveland Indians- leads AL in OPS+ by 30 points and in Runs Created by 27; also contributed +9 fielding runs at third base
2. Eddie Mathews, 3B, Boston Braves- Eddie's big breakout season; led the NL in OPS+ with 171; added 145 RC and +3 fielding runs
3. Duke Snider, CF, Brooklyn Dodgers- third in OPS+, second in RC and +8 runs in centerfield
4. Roy Campanella, C, Brooklyn Dodgers- fourth in both OPS+ and RC with +7 fielding from behind the plate; Mathews, Snider and Campy are separated by the thinnest of margins
5. Robin Roberts, P, Philadelphia Phillies- leads the majors by 75 innings pitched and the NL by over 80; oh and his 153 ERA+ is good for second best in MLB
6. Stan Musial, LF, St. Louis Cardinals- second in OPS+ and first in RC but he falls to sixth because of his limited defensive contributions
7. Warren Spahn, P, Boston Braves- an outstanding 188 ERA+ in 265 innings
8. Yogi Berra, C, New York Yankees- the second best position player in the AL behind Rosen; hit for a 141 OPS+ as a full-time catcher
9. Red Schoendienst, 2B, St. Louis Cardinals- sneaks into the top ten in OPS+ and runs created while contributing +6 fielding runs from second
10. Billy Pierce, P, Chicago White Sox- the best pitcher in the AL; 1st in innings and 2nd in ERA+

11. Ellis Kinder, RP, Boston Red Sox- Old Folks' biggest year (a 225 ERA+ in more than 100 relief innings) almost gets him onto the ballot
12. Mickey Vernon, 1B, Washington Senators- 2nd in the AL in both OPS+ and RC
13. Ray Boone, 3B/SS, Indians/Tigers
14. Virgil Trucks, P, Browns/White Sox- it's not often you see two guys who were traded mid-season crack the top 15 of an MMP ballot; 1953 was a strange year
15. Jackie Robinson, LF/3B, Brooklyn Dodgers- still a force in the field (+12 fielding runs) and on the basepaths (+6) but the move to left field hurts his value a little
16. Harvey Haddix, P, Chicago Cubs
17. Ted Kluzewski, 1B, Cincinnati Reds
18. Mel Parnell, P, Boston Red Sox
19. Solly Hemus, SS, St. Louis Cardinals
20. Carl Furillo, RF, Brooklyn Dodgers

John - who is your best AL pitcher?

John - who is your best AL pitcher?

Ellis Kinder, Dan, who is #11 on my list.

Final 1953 ballot - same as prelim

1. Al Rosen
2. Robin Roberts
3. Warren Spahn
4. Roy Campanella
5. Eddie Mathews
6. Harvey Haddix
7. Red Schoendienst
8. Stan Musial
9. Duke Snider
10. Yogi Berra

Actually, I will revise one thing from my prelim - if I had to pick a best pitcher for AL I would probably go with Billy Pierce rather than McDermott. Again, like with Roberts in the NL, all those extra innings really count for something.

1953 Final Ballot(same as prelim):

I use a combination of WAR systems to get an average WAR for each player. I use that number to get a Dan R-style salary estimation. I divide that salary by $1 million and add 3 times the average WAR to that dividend. I use a 20% bonus for catchers and do not credit postseason except as a tiebreaker.

1. Al Rosen (57.74)
2. Robin Roberts (56.95)- best ML pitcher
3. Roy Campanella (50.94) - best NL position player
4. Eddie Mathews (47.50)
5. Warren Spahn (47.34)
6. Duke Snider (47.15)
7. Harvey Haddix (37.20)
8. Yogi Berra (36.30)
9. Stan Musial (36.16)
10. Jackie Robinson (34.96)

11-15. Schoendienst, Ashburn, Pierce (best AL pitcher), Trucks, Boone.

1-Al Rosen-Greatest season ever by a 3b according to WAR/Win Shares
2-Roy Campanella-At the time, by WAR/WS the best season ever by a C...by a fair bit (Campy is at 7.1, next closest is Cochrane at 6.3).312/.395/.611/1.006, 41 bombs. Just a monster year from a C
3-Robin Roberts-Spahn has the prettier ERA+ but RR has 80 more IP and tons of K's.
4-Duke Snider-.336/.419/.627/1.046, 165 OPS+, 45 HR. Man, toss in PeeWee and Jack Robby and those Dodgers were ridiculously strong up the middle
5-Eddie Mathews-At 21 throws up the best season in a long career. 171 OPS+, 47 HR, 99 BB, .302/.406/.627/1.033.. The only prior 3b with a better season were named Baker and Ott.
6-Stan Musial-Another thunderous season, another year Stan's left in line at the altar. 53 2b, 30 HR,.337/.437/.609 /1.046. Defensive stats disagree with reputation and again hurt The Man's chances.
7-Warren Spahn-Sweet season. 2.10 ERA, 188 ERA+, 1.058 WHIP, 2.97 FiP
8-Yogi Berra-The AL lives. 27 HR, 141 OPS+, great Post season.
9-Harvey Haddix-Best Season of His life (BSoHL)
10-Mickey Vernon-43/11/15 2b/3b/hr (Real power in DC).337/.403/.518/.921

Best of the rest, in order:
Jackie Robinson-A last hurrah for Jack.I suspect we won't see his name in this project again. What a terrific player he was.
Kinder-Top AL pitcher
Boone-BSoHL. 22 HR,.312/.395/.556/.951, 156 OPS+, hurt by poor fielding
VB Mizell-14th in points, 1st in nomenclature
Schoendienst-An annoying pesky IF in an era of annoying pesky IF with an annoyingly terrific year..342/.405/.502/.907, 135 OPS+, good defense, decent baserunner, prime position.

Jackie Robinson-A last hurrah for Jack.I suspect we won't see his name in this project again. What a terrific player he was.

Not going forward. But we still have to fill in the '40s and he has a shot at least one more MMP in 1949.

1953 Ballot

Batters: start with RAA (using XR runs), adjust for park, position and defense (average of TZ, and DRA) Convert adjusted RAA to wins. Add 60% of normal Runs above replacement to get WARR (wins above reduced replacement)

Pitchers: start with RAA, adjust for quality of opposition, park, and team defense (average of TZ, DRA) Convert adjusted RAA to wins. Add 60% of normal runs above replacement to get WARR (wins above reduced replacement)

1. Robin Roberts 8.81 WARR
2. Al Rosen 8.73 WARR
3. Eddie Mathews 8.23 WARR
4. Warren Spahn 8.09 WARR
5. Duke Snider 7.65 WARR
6. Stan Musial 6.93 WARR
7. Roy Campanella 6.54 WARR
8. Harvey Haddix 6.12 WARR
9. Richie Ashburn 5.7 WARR
10. Jackie Robinson 5.61 WARR

rest of the top 20
Virgil Trucks
Gil Hodges
Billy Pierce
Red Schoendienst
Solly Hemus
Bob Porterfield
Mickey Vernon
Yogi Berra
Ray Boone
Jim Busby

1953 Ballot Version 2: In the original version I made a mistake in my formula which essentially ignored the park factor for hitters. Version 2 corrects for this oversight. There is only one change in the order in the top 10, but is a rather important one. My apologies for any inconvience this may have caused.

Batters: start with RAA (using XR runs), adjust for park, position and defense (average of TZ, and DRA) Convert adjusted RAA to wins. Add 60% of normal Runs above replacement to get WARR (wins above reduced replacement)

Pitchers: start with RAA, adjust for quality of opposition, park, and team defense (average of TZ, DRA) Convert adjusted RAA to wins. Add 60% of normal runs above replacement to get WARR (wins above reduced replacement)

1. Al Rosen 8.96 WARR
2. Robin Roberts 8.81 WARR
3. Eddie Mathews 8.74 WARR
4. Warren Spahn 8.17 WARR
5. Duke Snider 7.43 WARR
6. Stan Musial 6.79 WARR
7. Roy Campanella 6.35 WARR
8. Harvey Haddix 6.09 WARR
9. Richie Ashburn 5.72 WARR
10. Jackie Robinson 5.42 WARR

rest of the top 20
Virgil Trucks
Billy Pierce
Gil Hodges
Mickey Vernon
Yogi Berra
Red Schoendienst
Bob Porterfield
Jim Busby
Mickey Mantle
Solly Hemus

1953 Final Ballot:
The usual combination of WAR(P) systems and WS.
10% catcher bonus; no postseason adjustment.

1 Rosen, Al 9729
2 Roberts, Robin 9050
3 Mathews, Eddie 8697
4 Snider, Duke 8357
5 Campanella, Roy 7898
6 Spahn, Warren 7736
7 Musial, Stan 7502
8 Haddix, Harvey 6615
9 Berra, Yogi 6134
10 Schoendienst, Red 6096

11 Robinson, Jackie 5961
12 Vernon, Mickey 5776
13 Boone, Ray 5726
14 Ashburn, Richie 5459
15 Trucks, Virgil 5343

Voted recently but not yet

JollyOldStNick
EricC
Tubbs
bjhanke

Cobbling together a hodgepodge of methods, some dating to when we were in full fast pace as the HoM:

1. Robin Roberts
2. Al Rosen (I held him back slightly for being in the AL rather than the NL, although the talent gap wasn't that large yet)
3. Warren Spahn
4. Eddie Mathews
5. Roy Campanella
6. Duke Snider
7. Stan Musial
8. Jackie Robinson
9. Harvey Haddix
10. Richie Ashburn (perhaps he's sharing some of Roberts' credit or perhaps Roberts is sharing some of his credit)

Top AL pitcher: Virgil Trucks

Final ballot, no postseason credit but small credit for playing for a Pennant contender
1. Rosen
2. Roberts
3. Campanella
4. Snider
5. Mathews
6. Spahn
7. Musial
8. Schoendienst
9. J Robinson
10. Berra

I would choose Pierce over Trucks for my top AL pitcher

1953 MMP ballot. I have more confidence in the names on the list than on the order. Regrets to 2B Schoendienst, Robinson, and Gilliam.

1. Robin Roberts. Playing time beats Spahn's eye-popping 188 ERA+
2. Warren Spahn.
3. Roy Campanella.
4. Al Rosen.
5. Eddie Matthews.
6. Yogi Berra.
7. Duke Snider.
8. Stan Musial.
9. Harvey Haddix.
10. Billy Pierce. Just edges Trucks as top AL pitcher

Still waiting for a ballot from bjhanke and possibly JollyOldStNick. New voters should have a prelim in by tomorrow.

This is Brock Hanke.I am in the hospital. No ballot. More when I get home.

Take care Brock. Glad to hear you're going home.

Hope you're okay now, Brock.

Brock, I echo what DL and John say and hope you're well. I always enjoy reading the interesting insights and comments you add

Election is closed